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Re: GAME #13: LAC (6-6) @ HOU (8-4)—FRI 11/15 5PM 

Post#21 » by Clemenza » Sat Nov 16, 2024 6:49 pm

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To be honest, OKC can do anything with their options if any star wanted out.

If kawhi isn't coming to this season, first thing we should do is to call GM's who might want to take a look at DJJ, Dunn, Norman. Batum darling can leave anywhere he wants without even compensation returned.

What's the point if you are capped at 35 win, so be it make that cap at 30 win. Get some young talent or future draft picks from contenders who would like to bolster their rotation. I would even deal Zu to OKC(If chet not coming this season, they might be a buyer)for getting our 2025 pick swap back. Be a 20 win team, get top 4 lottery odd from this top heavy draft.

Norm can get a protected late first pick. DJJ and Dunn maybe returns a 2nd and a prospect stayed under shadows like Jarace Walker, Cam Whitmore, Zach LaRavia etc.

I hear you and since your name is "Captain Ballmer", I highly doubt Ballmer wants to do anything like that. Intuit Dome isn't a smashing success right out the but if we do a fire sale its going to be crickets in that place. The number one issue is, when and if Kawhi is coming back. Its still early, but if he doesn't make it back by all star break, they really REALLY screwed up going after this guy, and resigning him to four more years. Get Diabate and BBJ back asap!! LOL


I'm not suggesting a fire sale. Zubac is the defensive pillar, Harden is offensive one. Theye are here to stay keep the games as pro as possible. We can replace Dunn with more Mann, Norm with more KPJ&Bones, DJJ with more Coffey and Jordan Miller etc. and still capable of doing what we are at least like %80 capacity.

Emitionally I think most of our fanbase are attached to Zu, Mann, Batum and Coffey way more than they do with DJJ, Dunn, Norm. They will be fine as long as we get some exciting talent in return.

In a nutshell, without Kawhi it's better to not stand pat in February, exchange from 35 win team with Norm&DJJ&Dunn to decrease to the 28-30 win team with some added future draft capital and maybe under the radar young prospects & expirings.

Dunn & DJJ have been good additions. They're not getting moved. If we're not good or at least in the playoff race by the all star break and if Kawhi isn't returning I could see us putting Norm on the trade block if we can get a 1st rounder for him. Maybe see what you can get for Mann or Coffey as well. But I definitely see Coffey & Norm as the first guys that we would try to move if it comes down to it.
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Post#22 » by Clemenza » Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:14 pm

esqtvd wrote:Actually, Harden has 21 points on 7-14 shooting. Blame EVERYONE else first.

They just flashed up on the screen, this makes 5 games in 8 days. And we play Sunday, Munday, Wednesday and Friday. Still down by 20, made up no ground against the Rockets' bench.

So here comes Jordan and Kobe and the white flag with a whole quarter to go. Let's see if we can win Garbage Time again and at least put a scare into 'em.

This right here. Gut check time. Expand the bench or die
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Post#23 » by Bobbymcgee » Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:56 pm

Harden was brought in to help Leonard and George. Now George is gone, and Leonard can't play (what else is new). At age 35, Harden is being asked to try and carry this team without another superstar. Coupled with this brutal schedule, Harden is starting to look like Mike Tyson out there on the court. I don't see how he can keep up a whole season of this.
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Post#24 » by Clemenza » Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:40 pm

Bobbymcgee wrote:Harden was brought in to help Leonard and George. Now George is gone, and Leonard can't play (what else is new). At age 35, Harden is being asked to try and carry this team without another superstar. Coupled with this brutal schedule, Harden is starting to look like Mike Tyson out there on the court. I don't see how he can keep up a whole season of this.

Yeah I have no clue what the plan is for Harden, Zu, and Norm. Lue said he wasn't going to wear Harden out before the season started, but here we are. He's back to running Harden into the ground only 12 games in. Does Harden survive this next slate of 4 games in 5 nights scenario?
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Post#25 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:23 pm

Bobbymcgee wrote:Harden was brought in to help Leonard and George. Now George is gone, and Leonard can't play (what else is new). At age 35, Harden is being asked to try and carry this team without another superstar. Coupled with this brutal schedule, Harden is starting to look like Mike Tyson out there on the court. I don't see how he can keep up a whole season of this.

the fact that they are still getting screwed on the schedule is ridiculous.

Harden may need to rest a game or 2 and throw Hyland in there to generate some offense.

The most glaring area where the exhaustion is showing up is on defense- seems like he is struggling to move his feet.
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Post#26 » by esqtvd » Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:51 pm

Depth is a problem all over the NBA. The dropoff between prime time players and the rest is YUGE. Remember all the blown leads last year when Ty put the 3rd string in, and the starters had to come back? Well, this year, they're our second string.

I mean blame the FO all you want and I won't kick--we have 6 redundant guys all around 6'3"-6'4". None of them can take the load off Harden or Zu. And Terance Mann is still getting significant minutes despite his dreadful numbers.

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Post#27 » by MartinToVaught » Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:08 am

I know it's become a broken record, but depth wouldn't be a problem for us if we actually took the draft and player development seriously. Just look at Moussa and Boston shining on other teams now that they're away from the worst-run franchise in the NBA.

Frank and Lue need to be fired. It's long overdue.
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Post#28 » by esqtvd » Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:43 am

MartinToVaught wrote:I know it's become a broken record, but depth wouldn't be a problem for us if we actually took the draft and player development seriously. Just look at Moussa and Boston shining on other teams now that they're away from the worst-run franchise in the NBA.

Frank and Lue need to be fired. It's long overdue.


Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.

And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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Post#29 » by Clemenza » Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:23 am

esqtvd wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:I know it's become a broken record, but depth wouldn't be a problem for us if we actually took the draft and player development seriously. Just look at Moussa and Boston shining on other teams now that they're away from the worst-run franchise in the NBA.

Frank and Lue need to be fired. It's long overdue.


Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.

And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.

They probably wouldn't have brought in KPJ and Bamba if they retain BBJ and Moussa. And they didn't start off with a real contract from their new teams because the Clipps didn't play them like they should have. We'll see if they keep improving and land real standard NBA contracts which I do see them getting eventually. Its only a matter of when. They're at the point now, if for some odd reason they were to be released by the teams they're on now, they would have multiple suiters lined up with real NBA deals in place and not two-ways.

But again since we don't control our picks, getting older, and all the talk of getting young and more athletic over the off season and they let this happen? LOL, you can't develop two guys you drafted for the past three plus years and don't reap the benefits and rewards.. OKC can get away with something like this without batting an eye, but not a team that traded all their picks away, let PG walk for nothing, Kawhi never healthy, and L. Frank hopping on top of a soapbox and yelling out to the fanbase that were all about development now. This front office and coaching staff is pure comedy.
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Post#30 » by esqtvd » Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:12 am

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:I know it's become a broken record, but depth wouldn't be a problem for us if we actually took the draft and player development seriously. Just look at Moussa and Boston shining on other teams now that they're away from the worst-run franchise in the NBA.

Frank and Lue need to be fired. It's long overdue.


Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.

And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.

They probably wouldn't have brought in KPJ and Bamba if they retain BBJ and Moussa. And they didn't start off with a real contract from their new teams because the Clipps didn't play them like they should have. We'll see if they keep improving and land real standard NBA contracts which I do see them getting eventually. Its only a matter of when. They're at the point now, if for some odd reason they were to be released by the teams they're on now, they would have multiple suiters lined up with real NBA deals in place and not two-ways.

But again since we don't control our picks, getting older, and all the talk of getting young and more athletic over the off season and they let this happen? LOL, you can't develop two guys you drafted for the past three plus years and don't reap the benefits and rewards.. OKC can get away with something like this without batting an eye, but not a team that traded all their picks away, let PG walk for nothing, Kawhi never healthy, and L. Frank hopping on top of a soapbox and yelling out to the fanbase that were all about development now. This front office and coaching staff is pure comedy.


I agree with much of the above post but Ty has nothing to do with it. His job is to WIN GAMES. Not Daddy Day Care. He plays the hand he is dealt. He gave BBJ 1300 NBA minutes. Now he just showed you can win playing his only 3 decent NBA-level players [Harden, Powell, Zu] 38 minutes a game, but that's not sustainable. The rest are CRAP. Just don't EVEN Jordan Miller @ me as if that would have changed our record.

Boston and Miller [last column to the right] were our WORST plus/minus per 100 last year. Ty gave them EVERY CHANCE while still trying to WIN GAMES. They were ass.

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L-Frank? Every move is approved by Ballmer. A puppet. It's the only reason he's still here. Hate on him all you want but if you want to fire L-Frank, you have to fire Ballmer. Ballmer is Jerry Jones.

And it would be ok if people would respond to what I actually wrote, but write.

Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.

And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.
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Post#31 » by Clemenza » Sun Nov 17, 2024 9:47 am

esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:
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Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.

And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.

They probably wouldn't have brought in KPJ and Bamba if they retain BBJ and Moussa. And they didn't start off with a real contract from their new teams because the Clipps didn't play them like they should have. We'll see if they keep improving and land real standard NBA contracts which I do see them getting eventually. Its only a matter of when. They're at the point now, if for some odd reason they were to be released by the teams they're on now, they would have multiple suiters lined up with real NBA deals in place and not two-ways.

But again since we don't control our picks, getting older, and all the talk of getting young and more athletic over the off season and they let this happen? LOL, you can't develop two guys you drafted for the past three plus years and don't reap the benefits and rewards.. OKC can get away with something like this without batting an eye, but not a team that traded all their picks away, let PG walk for nothing, Kawhi never healthy, and L. Frank hopping on top of a soapbox and yelling out to the fanbase that were all about development now. This front office and coaching staff is pure comedy.


I agree with much of the above post but Ty has nothing to do with it. His job is to WIN GAMES. Not Daddy Day Care. He plays the hand he is dealt. He gave BBJ 1300 NBA minutes. Now he just showed you can win playing his only 3 decent NBA-level players [Harden, Powell, Zu] 38 minutes a game, but that's not sustainable. The rest are CRAP. Just don't EVEN Jordan Miller @ me as if that would have changed our record.

Boston and Miller [last column to the right] were our WORST plus/minus per 100 last year. Ty gave them EVERY CHANCE while still trying to WIN GAMES. They were ass.

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L-Frank? Every move is approved by Ballmer. A puppet. It's the only reason he's still here. Hate on him all you want but if you want to fire L-Frank, you have to fire Ballmer. Ballmer is Jerry Jones.

And it would be ok if people would respond to what I actually wrote, but write.

Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.

And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.

Lue has to win games but he's not free and in the clear of all this. One of the reasons he was let go in Cleveland after LeBron left for the Lakers was him clashing and having a huge fallout with the front office because he wouldn't play any of the guys they drafted. I'll admit BBJ didn't have a good season last year and I know you want to bring up the minutes Lue gave him, but sometimes you have to jump out the analytics box and take a leap of faith. How you not bring him back on a cheap 2 year/$8 million dollar deal with the 2nd year being a team option if he still doesn't show us anything.. Especially with PG walking, Westbrook traded, no first rounder coming up, and Kawhi forever in street clothes.. just to cover your basis. Then sell us on and take a massive PR hit with KPJ? IMO, he's got to pan out too because "He scored 30 once on a tanking Rockets team!"

And Miller hasn't fully gotten his shot yet. I don't know where you're getting at saying Lue gave him plenty of opportunities last season. Diabate had promise too because the rebounding and motor was already there. He just had to still learn the game and show at least a little something on offense which he's doing now. At the end of the day those were two guys who are vastly different from Mann, Coffey, Bones, Batum, Dunn, and DJJ, and could help this rotation perfectly with their current up-to-date skill-sets.

At the end of the day something isn't right here and I don't think the coaching staff is free in the clear on this right along with the front office. It was a glorious day when we got our very own G League team several years ago, but do we even have one success story from it? I think that Jordan Miller and Trentyn Flowers have 'something', but will they ever see the light of day? After dumping SGA, all this seems a little too familiar with this club. If we had our picks, our #1 guy plays, we have a winning record, etc then you have some leeway and wiggle room to let some guys who you've developed over the past 3-4 years go. But its getting rather spooky and reaching horror flick levels with their lack of player development. From Doc and Lob City never hitting on a pick, JRob over MPJ, SGA gone, Kabengale disaster, Hartenstein, to now with BBJ & Moussa showing something AFTER they leave the Clipps! WTF is going on in Clipperville? Your Sixers with the big three of Embiid, Maxey, PG -and then hitting on a draft pick, McCain! Wow! of course everything else is turning to sh*t for them, but I always dreamed of that scenario for the Clipps during the Lob City and 213 eras. Lue just said that SGA reminds him of Jordan.. OUCH!! Thanks coach!

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Post#32 » by esqtvd » Sun Nov 17, 2024 10:11 am

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:They probably wouldn't have brought in KPJ and Bamba if they retain BBJ and Moussa. And they didn't start off with a real contract from their new teams because the Clipps didn't play them like they should have. We'll see if they keep improving and land real standard NBA contracts which I do see them getting eventually. Its only a matter of when. They're at the point now, if for some odd reason they were to be released by the teams they're on now, they would have multiple suiters lined up with real NBA deals in place and not two-ways.

But again since we don't control our picks, getting older, and all the talk of getting young and more athletic over the off season and they let this happen? LOL, you can't develop two guys you drafted for the past three plus years and don't reap the benefits and rewards.. OKC can get away with something like this without batting an eye, but not a team that traded all their picks away, let PG walk for nothing, Kawhi never healthy, and L. Frank hopping on top of a soapbox and yelling out to the fanbase that were all about development now. This front office and coaching staff is pure comedy.


I agree with much of the above post but Ty has nothing to do with it. His job is to WIN GAMES. Not Daddy Day Care. He plays the hand he is dealt. He gave BBJ 1300 NBA minutes. Now he just showed you can win playing his only 3 decent NBA-level players [Harden, Powell, Zu] 38 minutes a game, but that's not sustainable. The rest are CRAP. Just don't EVEN Jordan Miller @ me as if that would have changed our record.

Boston and Miller [last column to the right] were our WORST plus/minus per 100 last year. Ty gave them EVERY CHANCE while still trying to WIN GAMES. They were ass.

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L-Frank? Every move is approved by Ballmer. A puppet. It's the only reason he's still here. Hate on him all you want but if you want to fire L-Frank, you have to fire Ballmer. Ballmer is Jerry Jones.

And it would be ok if people would respond to what I actually wrote, but write.

Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.

And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.

Lue has to win games but he's not free and in the clear of all this. One of the reasons he was let go in Cleveland after LeBron left for the Lakers was him clashing and having a huge fallout with the front office because he wouldn't play any of the guys they drafted. I'll admit BBJ didn't have a good season last year and I know you want to bring up the minutes Lue gave him, but sometimes you have to jump out the analytics box and take a leap of faith. How you not bring him back on a cheap 2 year/$8 million dollar deal with the 2nd year being a team option if he still doesn't show us anything.. Especially with PG walking, Westbrook traded, no first rounder coming up, and Kawhi forever in street clothes.. just to cover your basis. Then sell us on and take a massive PR hit with KPJ? IMO, he's got to pan out too because "He scored 30 once on a tanking Rockets team!"

And Miller hasn't fully gotten his shot yet. I don't know where you're getting at saying Lue gave him plenty of opportunities last season. Diabate had promise too because the rebounding and motor was already there. He just had to still learn the game and show at least a little something on offense which he's doing now. At the end of the day those were two guys who are vastly different from Mann, Coffey, Bones, Batum, Dunn, and DJJ, and could help this rotation perfectly with their current up-to-date skill-sets.

At the end of the day something isn't right here and I don't think the coaching staff is free in the clear on this right along with the front office. It was a glorious day when we got our very own G League team several years ago, but do we even have one success story from it? I think that Jordan Miller and Trentyn Flowers have 'something', but will they ever see the light of day? After dumping SGA, all this seems a little too familiar with this club. If we had our picks, our #1 guy plays, we have a winning record, etc then you have some leeway and wiggle room to let some guys who you've developed over the past 3-4 years go. But its getting rather spooky and reaching horror flick levels with their lack of player development. From Doc and Lob City never hitting on a pick, JRob over MPJ, SGA gone, Kabengale disaster, Hartenstein, to now with BBJ & Moussa showing something AFTER they leave the Clipps! WTF is going on in Clipperville? Your Sixers with the big three of Embiid, Maxey, PG -and then hitting on a draft pick, McCain! Wow! of course everything else is turning to sh*t for them, but I always dreamed of that scenario for the Clipps during the Lob City and 213 eras.


FTR, they're not "my" Sixers. Clippers have been my #1 for quite sometime now. And everyone in Philly hates Daryl Morey and the owner Josh Harris since he bought the Redskins/Commies. And they're infuriated with Embiid for playing the Olympics and missing the beginning of the season. And they hate Paul George already, lol, just because.

Is McCain the real thing? Like Boston, he's been playing balls out in losing efforts because of injury. We shall see.

As for Ty giving Boston and Miller some burn I guess I'll have to post this again. Minus-15 and minus-20 per 100 possessions [last column] is unplayable when you're trying to win 50 games and finish top 4. It's simple math. They played themselves OUT.

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As for GM Doc and his successor L-Frank, I've never denied they've been "unlucky" with their low-level draft picks. Even if it's not their fault [and where was genius Jerry West through all this?], changes should be made. You need to get lucky sometimes.

The question remains unanswered:

    And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have got rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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Post#33 » by Clemenza » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:41 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
I agree with much of the above post but Ty has nothing to do with it. His job is to WIN GAMES. Not Daddy Day Care. He plays the hand he is dealt. He gave BBJ 1300 NBA minutes. Now he just showed you can win playing his only 3 decent NBA-level players [Harden, Powell, Zu] 38 minutes a game, but that's not sustainable. The rest are CRAP. Just don't EVEN Jordan Miller @ me as if that would have changed our record.

Boston and Miller [last column to the right] were our WORST plus/minus per 100 last year. Ty gave them EVERY CHANCE while still trying to WIN GAMES. They were ass.

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L-Frank? Every move is approved by Ballmer. A puppet. It's the only reason he's still here. Hate on him all you want but if you want to fire L-Frank, you have to fire Ballmer. Ballmer is Jerry Jones.

And it would be ok if people would respond to what I actually wrote, but write.


Lue has to win games but he's not free and in the clear of all this. One of the reasons he was let go in Cleveland after LeBron left for the Lakers was him clashing and having a huge fallout with the front office because he wouldn't play any of the guys they drafted. I'll admit BBJ didn't have a good season last year and I know you want to bring up the minutes Lue gave him, but sometimes you have to jump out the analytics box and take a leap of faith. How you not bring him back on a cheap 2 year/$8 million dollar deal with the 2nd year being a team option if he still doesn't show us anything.. Especially with PG walking, Westbrook traded, no first rounder coming up, and Kawhi forever in street clothes.. just to cover your basis. Then sell us on and take a massive PR hit with KPJ? IMO, he's got to pan out too because "He scored 30 once on a tanking Rockets team!"

And Miller hasn't fully gotten his shot yet. I don't know where you're getting at saying Lue gave him plenty of opportunities last season. Diabate had promise too because the rebounding and motor was already there. He just had to still learn the game and show at least a little something on offense which he's doing now. At the end of the day those were two guys who are vastly different from Mann, Coffey, Bones, Batum, Dunn, and DJJ, and could help this rotation perfectly with their current up-to-date skill-sets.

At the end of the day something isn't right here and I don't think the coaching staff is free in the clear on this right along with the front office. It was a glorious day when we got our very own G League team several years ago, but do we even have one success story from it? I think that Jordan Miller and Trentyn Flowers have 'something', but will they ever see the light of day? After dumping SGA, all this seems a little too familiar with this club. If we had our picks, our #1 guy plays, we have a winning record, etc then you have some leeway and wiggle room to let some guys who you've developed over the past 3-4 years go. But its getting rather spooky and reaching horror flick levels with their lack of player development. From Doc and Lob City never hitting on a pick, JRob over MPJ, SGA gone, Kabengale disaster, Hartenstein, to now with BBJ & Moussa showing something AFTER they leave the Clipps! WTF is going on in Clipperville? Your Sixers with the big three of Embiid, Maxey, PG -and then hitting on a draft pick, McCain! Wow! of course everything else is turning to sh*t for them, but I always dreamed of that scenario for the Clipps during the Lob City and 213 eras.


FTR, they're not "my" Sixers. Clippers have been my #1 for quite sometime now. And everyone in Philly hates Daryl Morey and the owner Josh Harris since he bought the Redskins/Commies. And they're infuriated with Embiid for playing the Olympics and missing the beginning of the season. And they hate Paul George already, lol, just because.

Is McCain the real thing? Like Boston, he's been playing balls out in losing efforts because of injury. We shall see.

As for Ty giving Boston and Miller some burn I guess I'll have to post this again. Minus-15 and minus-20 per 100 possessions [last column] is unplayable when you're trying to win 50 games and finish top 4. It's simple math. They played themselves OUT.

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As for GM Doc and his successor L-Frank, I've never denied they've been "unlucky" with their low-level draft picks. Even if it's not their fault [and where was genius Jerry West through all this?], changes should be made. You need to get lucky sometimes.

The question remains unanswered:

    And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have got rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?

Not sure about that graphic, but I watched every Clipper game last season and I know BBJ, Bones, KJ Martin (B4 the trade), Kobe, etc. got some minutes. Diabate played sparingly, but if I can recall correctly Miller only played in like 2-3 games tops and that was like two minutes or less of garbage time. He was far from getting a sample size of minutes with the main team last year. No clue on how you come up with that conclusion on Miller if we're talking about last season. And Ty Lue giving a kid a shot at minutes is not the same as say Mike Malone getting a sample size out of a young player or a rebuilding or injury laden team. Ty Lue gives "shotgun to the head" minutes to youngsters.. "Okay, you got five minutes to show me what you can do or its back to the G League you go!" Bones and Boston looked a lot better when everyone sat out that Phoenix game and Durant, Booker, and Beal didn't pull away until the 4th quarter.

But like you said its a team going for a championship and the kids had PG, Kawhi, Westbrook, Mann, Coffey, PJ Tucker, Plumlee, Theis, etc. ahead of them. The point is, THIS SEASON was their time. Boston and Diabate should've been brought back after the huge turnover of players leaving and coming. And I answered the question posed at the end. If Boston and Diabate is brought back I don't think they take a swing on KPJ and Bamba. I think they still bring Kai in for a future timetable. Currently I know we need KPJ to play well, but its still odd seeing the long leash and sample time Lue is giving him when the other kids never got that type of look. And yes that type of run time wouldn't have happened last year. But it would've been nice to see BBJ & Diabate brought back and get a long leash and sample run like KPJ is getting because remember, "He had a 30 point game for the Rockets two years ago."


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Re: GAME #13: LAC (6-6) @ HOU (8-4)—FRI 11/15 5PM 

Post#34 » by Ballings7 » Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:12 pm

Figured would get one of the Houston games.. but nope.

Team needs more capable-size, still too guard heavy for "talent" and "skill"..

Zubac can't be the only sizable front-court player with consistent, impactful ability on the team.. Batum is solid as he is for his usual role, but not going to be a leading, game-long impact guy most nights. Obviously if he steps up then things are different.. but don't see his role changing.

Need to start more trial/error with Kai Jones off bench, and add some Kobe too.. just have to start doing it and sprinkling it on.

Get Jordan Miller some time too.

Even with the current crop, need more length and size that can play.
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Re: GAME #13: LAC (6-6) @ HOU (8-4)—FRI 11/15 5PM 

Post#35 » by Ballings7 » Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:23 am

Ballings7 wrote:Figured would get one of the Houston games.. but nope.

Team needs more capable-size, still too guard heavy for "talent" and "skill"..

Zubac can't be the only sizable front-court player with consistent, impactful ability on the team.. Batum is solid as he is for his usual role, but not going to be a leading, game-long impact guy most nights. Obviously if he steps up then things are different.. but don't see his role changing.

Need to start more trial/error with Kai Jones off bench, and add some Kobe too.. just have to start doing it and sprinkling it on.

Get Jordan Miller some time too.

Even with the current crop, need more length and size that can play.


Admittedly forgot about Mo' Bamba!

Still think Kobe Brown should get a stretch of games in the rotation.
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