esqtvd wrote:Clemenza wrote:esqtvd wrote:
Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.
And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.
They probably wouldn't have brought in KPJ and Bamba if they retain BBJ and Moussa. And they didn't start off with a real contract from their new teams because the Clipps didn't play them like they should have. We'll see if they keep improving and land real standard NBA contracts which I do see them getting eventually. Its only a matter of when. They're at the point now, if for some odd reason they were to be released by the teams they're on now, they would have multiple suiters lined up with real NBA deals in place and not two-ways.
But again since we don't control our picks, getting older, and all the talk of getting young and more athletic over the off season and they let this happen? LOL, you can't develop two guys you drafted for the past three plus years and don't reap the benefits and rewards.. OKC can get away with something like this without batting an eye, but not a team that traded all their picks away, let PG walk for nothing, Kawhi never healthy, and L. Frank hopping on top of a soapbox and yelling out to the fanbase that were all about development now. This front office and coaching staff is pure comedy.
I agree with much of the above post but Ty has nothing to do with it. His job is to WIN GAMES. Not Daddy Day Care. He plays the hand he is dealt. He gave BBJ 1300 NBA minutes. Now he just showed you can win playing his only 3 decent NBA-level players [Harden, Powell, Zu] 38 minutes a game, but that's not sustainable. The rest are CRAP. Just don't EVEN Jordan Miller @ me as if that would have changed our record.
Boston and Miller [last column to the right] were our WORST plus/minus per 100 last year. Ty gave them EVERY CHANCE while still trying to WIN GAMES. They were ass.
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L-Frank? Every move is approved by Ballmer. A puppet. It's the only reason he's still here. Hate on him all you want but if you want to fire L-Frank, you have to fire Ballmer. Ballmer is Jerry Jones.
And it would be ok if people would respond to what I actually wrote, but write.
Not quite that easy. They did invest development time in them, Boston over 1300 NBA minutes.
And now Moussa and Boston are on two-ways. Not one team offered them a real NBA contract. If they make it, they'll be the first two draftees* in 20 years who have thrived elsewhere. Maybe we should have kept them. But who would you have get rid of? Kobe? Jordan? Kai?
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*Actually BBJ was traded for on draft night or thereabouts. Which is to their credit, I suppose. It does show they were paying attention and not just throwing darts at a draft board.
Lue has to win games but he's not free and in the clear of all this. One of the reasons he was let go in Cleveland after LeBron left for the Lakers was him clashing and having a huge fallout with the front office because he wouldn't play any of the guys they drafted. I'll admit BBJ didn't have a good season last year and I know you want to bring up the minutes Lue gave him, but sometimes you have to jump out the analytics box and take a leap of faith. How you not bring him back on a cheap 2 year/$8 million dollar deal with the 2nd year being a team option if he still doesn't show us anything.. Especially with PG walking, Westbrook traded, no first rounder coming up, and Kawhi forever in street clothes.. just to cover your basis. Then sell us on and take a massive PR hit with KPJ? IMO, he's got to pan out too because "He scored 30 once on a tanking Rockets team!"
And Miller hasn't fully gotten his shot yet. I don't know where you're getting at saying Lue gave him plenty of opportunities last season. Diabate had promise too because the rebounding and motor was already there. He just had to still learn the game and show at least a little something on offense which he's doing now. At the end of the day those were two guys who are vastly different from Mann, Coffey, Bones, Batum, Dunn, and DJJ, and could help this rotation perfectly with their current up-to-date skill-sets.
At the end of the day something isn't right here and I don't think the coaching staff is free in the clear on this right along with the front office. It was a glorious day when we got our very own G League team several years ago, but do we even have one success story from it? I think that Jordan Miller and Trentyn Flowers have 'something', but will they ever see the light of day? After dumping SGA, all this seems a little too familiar with this club. If we had our picks, our #1 guy plays, we have a winning record, etc then you have some leeway and wiggle room to let some guys who you've developed over the past 3-4 years go. But its getting rather spooky and reaching horror flick levels with their lack of player development. From Doc and Lob City never hitting on a pick, JRob over MPJ, SGA gone, Kabengale disaster, Hartenstein, to now with BBJ & Moussa showing something AFTER they leave the Clipps! WTF is going on in Clipperville? Your Sixers with the big three of Embiid, Maxey, PG -and then hitting on a draft pick, McCain! Wow! of course everything else is turning to sh*t for them, but I always dreamed of that scenario for the Clipps during the Lob City and 213 eras. Lue just said that SGA reminds him of Jordan.. OUCH!! Thanks coach!