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Post#442 » by clipsfever » Sat Jul 26, 2025 10:01 pm

Gotta be an Exhibit 10 deal
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They had to. There's three two-way slots per team. Miller is better than Baldwin and Sanders and of course we're keeping Flowers. So its Flowers, Miller, and Sanders as the two-way guys. I bet Sanders and Ty Ty Washington will battle for the last two-way slot in training camp and preseason.
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Post#445 » by esqtvd » Yesterday 4:18 pm

clipsfever wrote:Gotta be an Exhibit 10 deal


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Re: Off season, free agency, coaching change. 

Post#446 » by esqtvd » Today 4:03 pm


5+ Former/Current All-Stars

Season Outcomes For Teams With Five Or More Former/Current All-Stars (Minimum 800 Minutes Played For Each Player)'

Won Finals 12.9%
Made Finals 29%
Made Conference Finals 41.9%
Made Second Round 51.3%
Made Playoffs 90.3%
No Playoffs 9.7%


What Separates The Winners From The Losers
Average Age Of Qualifying Teams That Won The Championship And Failed To Make The Postseason

MIA 2005-06 31.6 Won Finals
GSW 2016-17 29.5 Won Finals
GSW 2017-18 30.5 Won Finals
MIL 2020-21 29.8 Won Finals
DAL 2012-13 33.4 No Playoffs
LAL 2021-22 34.2 No Playoffs
GSW 2023-24 33.4 No Playoffs

What Does This All Mean For The Clippers?

In theory, the Clippers are kind of screwed. All five of their former or current All-Stars are over the age of 30 and tout an average age of 35.8 years old. Of the 19 teams that won at least one playoff series, none of them had a group of former or current All-Stars all past the age of 30. So, historically speaking, they’re more similar to those teams that didn’t make deep playoff runs than the ones which did.

In fact, only one of these 31 teams was in the same situation as the 2025-26 Clippers. That was the 2012-13 Mavericks, which failed to make the postseason with Dirk Nowitzki (34), Shawn Marion (34), Vince Carter (36), Elton Brand (33) and Chris Kaman (30).

To be fair to the Clippers, age is only a number. The real key, regardless of age, is some of the guys looking more like current All-Stars than former ones. Heck, with modern-day technology, one could do that in their age-40 season!

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Re: Off season, free agency, coaching change. 

Post#447 » by esqtvd » Today 5:14 pm

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They had to. There's three two-way slots per team. Miller is better than Baldwin and Sanders and of course we're keeping Flowers. So its Flowers, Miller, and Sanders as the two-way guys. I bet Sanders and Ty Ty Washington will battle for the last two-way slot in training camp and preseason.


Yes, makes sense. As a Summer League First-Teamer, Miller could surely do as well as Brandon Boston did for the Pels (averaging 10.7 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 2.2 assists in 23.6 minutes, shooting 35% from three in 2024-25). Unlike ordinary G-Leaguers who can be snatched up without compensation by any NBA team, 2-way guys are bound to the club and can be traded. I could see somebody desperate enough to give us a SRP.

[BTW, BBJ was converted to a standard 2-year contract* but not brought back by the Pels and afaik has no NBA gig anywhere.]

*a 2-year, $2.9 million contract with the New Orleans Pelicans, signed in February 2025, according to SalarySwish. The Pelicans
declined their team option for the second year of this contract, making him a free agent.
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Post#448 » by Clemenza » Today 6:40 pm

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They had to. There's three two-way slots per team. Miller is better than Baldwin and Sanders and of course we're keeping Flowers. So its Flowers, Miller, and Sanders as the two-way guys. I bet Sanders and Ty Ty Washington will battle for the last two-way slot in training camp and preseason.


Yes,makes sense. As a Summer League First-Teamer, Miller could surely do as well as Brandon Boston did for the Pels (averaging 10.7 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 2.2 assists in 23.6 minutes, shooting 35% from three in 2024-25). Unlike ordinary G-Leaguers who can be snatched up without compensation by any NBA team, 2-way guys are bound to the club and can be traded. I could see somebody desperate enough to give us a SRP.

[BTW, BBJ was converted to a standard 2-year contract* but not brought back by the Pels and afaik has no NBA gig anywhere.]

*a 2-year, $2.9 million contract with the New Orleans Pelicans, signed in February 2025, according to SalarySwish. The Pelicans
declined their team option for the second year of this contract, making him a free agent.

I don't see Miller getting moved. We have so many old guys that there's a high possibility of injury all throughout the season. If one, two, or even three guys get injured who do you trust more to fill in the holes, Miller or Pat Baldwin? The summer league told the front office they had to keep Miller period. Add in two guys ahead of him that aren't scorers like Dunn and DJJ, it was a no brainer.
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Post#449 » by esqtvd » 42 minutes ago

Clemenza wrote:
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Clemenza wrote:They had to. There's three two-way slots per team. Miller is better than Baldwin and Sanders and of course we're keeping Flowers. So its Flowers, Miller, and Sanders as the two-way guys. I bet Sanders and Ty Ty Washington will battle for the last two-way slot in training camp and preseason.


Yes,makes sense. As a Summer League First-Teamer, Miller could surely do as well as Brandon Boston did for the Pels (averaging 10.7 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 2.2 assists in 23.6 minutes, shooting 35% from three in 2024-25). Unlike ordinary G-Leaguers who can be snatched up without compensation by any NBA team, 2-way guys are bound to the club and can be traded. I could see somebody desperate enough to give us a SRP.

[BTW, BBJ was converted to a standard 2-year contract* but not brought back by the Pels and afaik has no NBA gig anywhere.]

*a 2-year, $2.9 million contract with the New Orleans Pelicans, signed in February 2025, according to SalarySwish. The Pelicans
declined their team option for the second year of this contract, making him a free agent.


I don't see Miller getting moved. We have so many old guys that there's a high possibility of injury all throughout the season. If one, two, or even three guys get injured who do you trust more to fill in the holes, Miller or Pat Baldwin? The summer league told the front office they had to keep Miller period. Add in two guys ahead of him that aren't scorers like Dunn and DJJ, it was a no brainer.


In any case, with a 2-way, Miller can't just be scooped up by anyone with a roster slot. And yes, I can see your scenario where he could see some meaningful minutes if a bunch of oldsters went down. You certainly can't give them to Baldwin.
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