Need a player assessment for Maggette

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Teams "find a way"? This isn't fantasy basketball.

Not only does Philly have Iggy, they have Young. You can bet Philly will be after every big man on the market way before they even consider Maggette. Memphis gutted their franchise to save money prior to the deadline, I have trouble believing they'd trade Pau Gasol so they could free up money for Maggette. Odom was a RFA who bad-mouthed the franchise, his situation is much different than Maggette's.

Don't talk down to me bro, you understood what I meant by "teams find a way."

Put it this way, if Maggette wants out of LAC and another team is willing to give him money, expect him to be gone in a S&T. I realize your team is finally decent after being a joke of the league the last decade, but they're still the Clippers. Who's to say they wouldn't take an expiring deal and a good draft pick for a S&T deal? Or something similar.

It happens, don't act like you've never seen an unexpected S&T occur, we've seen max deals with S&T's happen even if there wasn't animosity to the degree of Odom a few years ago. It could happen again.

BTW - I don't particularly want Maggette on my team for a high price, and he won't come for his current contract. We don't need someone to play the two-guard that cannot shoot and gets injured constantly.

[loflin3hree5ive]

Don't talk down to me bro, you understood what I meant by "teams find a way."

Put it this way, if Maggette wants out of LAC and another team is willing to give him money, expect him to be gone in a S&T. I realize your team is finally decent after being a joke of the league the last decade, but they're still the Clippers. Who's to say they wouldn't take an expiring deal and a good draft pick for a S&T deal? Or something similar.

It happens, don't act like you've never seen an unexpected S&T occur, we've seen max deals with S&T's happen even if there wasn't animosity to the degree of Odom a few years ago. It could happen again.

BTW - I don't particularly want Maggette on my team for a high price, and he won't come for his current contract. We don't need someone to play the two-guard that cannot shoot and gets injured constantly.

I've actually predicted a S&T for several months now for Corey. But if his jumper continues to improve and he keeps getting to the line 12 times a night then I could see us giving him a new contract and let Al Thornton be our 6th man. Keeping him becomes an even more realistic possibility when you take into consideration how much our owner loves him. Without a team who can afford a bidding war with the Clippers, Corey has no leverage to be picky about what team he plays for.

[jgustav1]

He has been the Clippers best player this year, but it would probably require Dunleavy getting fired to make him consider staying.

[loflin3hree5ive]

He has been the Clippers best player this year, but it would probably require Dunleavy getting fired to make him consider staying.

I don't understand why people think Corey really has a choice where he plays next season unless Philly or Memphis wants him. If Sterling is going to offer Corey let's say 5 years $50 million (same deal Kaman got) and Corey's next best option is the MLE for less than $6 million a year somewhere else, I'd be pretty willing to bet Corey would sign for the $10 million a year regardless of who is coaching the team.

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I don't understand why people think Corey really has a choice where he plays next season unless Philly or Memphis wants him. If Sterling is going to offer Corey let's say 5 years $50 million (same deal Kaman got) and Corey's next best option is the MLE for less than $6 million a year somewhere else, I'd be pretty willing to bet Corey would sign for the $10 million a year regardless of who is coaching the team.

1. A sign-and-trade is probably equally likely as any other type of deal depending on how unhappy he is in LAC.

2. I'm not saying he'll accept the MLE and I find a S&T the most likely way he leaves if he does indeed leave, but Maggette has obviously shown that he doesn't mind accepting a lower price despite him being a pretty good payer.

There didn't appear to be a great reason he accepted a low ball offer from LAC, maybe he liked LAC at that point. I honestly don't remember, but even then he was recognized as an up and coming star.

Get it straight, if Mags says he desires to be traded and a half decent deal comes in, Sterling will probably be forced to take it. I don't know why you're living with blinders as it's happened within your own team recently and happens around the NBA routinely. He doesn't have to make threats, but you never want something that could present problems in your locker room. Forcing a guy to resign with you that has no interest in resigning with you certainly could present itself badly.

It's hard to gauge exactly how much Corey wants to stay a Clipper, you apparently don't think he really minds being a Clipper. I think he does. I also think your owner will return to his old form at any moment.

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1. A sign-and-trade is probably equally likely as any other type of deal depending on how unhappy he is in LAC.

2. I'm not saying he'll accept the MLE and I find a S&T the most likely way he leaves if he does indeed leave, but Maggette has obviously shown that he doesn't mind accepting a lower price despite him being a pretty good payer.

There didn't appear to be a great reason he accepted a low ball offer from LAC, maybe he liked LAC at that point. I honestly don't remember, but even then he was recognized as an up and coming star.

Get it straight, if Mags says he desires to be traded and a half decent deal comes in, Sterling will probably be forced to take it. I don't know why you're living with blinders as it's happened within your own team recently and happens around the NBA routinely. He doesn't have to make threats, but you never want something that could present problems in your locker room. Forcing a guy to resign with you that has no interest in resigning with you certainly could present itself badly.

It's hard to gauge exactly how much Corey wants to stay a Clipper, you apparently don't think he really minds being a Clipper. I think he does. I also think your owner will return to his old form at any moment.

Got a link where Maggette has expressed any interest in taking a paycut "despite him being a pretty good payer"? Have you dreamed up any other Maggette quotes you'd like to share with us?

LOL at your precitions on the future of the Clippers when you don't even know the slightest bit of the past. Utah signed Corey to that "lowball" offer(sheet).

Your knowledge on Maggette and the Clippers is minimal. Try not to make it so obvious you're talking out of your ass and maybe then I won't have to "talk down" to you.

[mj_shoefanatic]

Magic fans must have a man crush on Maggette. I'll ROFLMAO when he stays in Clipper Nation for better paper.

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Corey is at the age where players are in their prime (28/29). Although I do think that his stats are raised a bit because of a contract year, but he's also our #1 option so his stats will obviously be inflated.

As others have said he's not really a good #1 option. Whatever team he ends up with he will be a great #2/#3 option if he can maintain that jumpshot(which I think he can because I have never heard of him having a bad work ethic).

I never really though he had a horrible jump shot like most people said the year before this. It was decent at best, but like I said he's in his prime and he could still improve his game. It was his shot selection that made things seem bad. He still does it this season where he drives in trying to draw contact and flinging the ball up while not getting a call. Thats where people mostly criticized his shot selection.

Corey should never be a #1 option, unless of course it's on a bad team. As a #2 or 3 option is where he will excel. A system like Phoenix or Golden State would be perfect for him.

The Clippers are an "isolation happy" offensive team. All they do are iso's all game long. And you're right, that's where Corey gets in trouble with his wild shots. Someone referred to him as a "poor man's D-wade". The difference is D-Wade has amazing balance and strength when gets fouled and ends up getting a lot of And1's.

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Got a link where Maggette has expressed any interest in taking a paycut "despite him being a pretty good payer"? Have you dreamed up any other Maggette quotes you'd like to share with us?

LOL at your precitions on the future of the Clippers when you don't even know the slightest bit of the past. Utah signed Corey to that "lowball" offer(sheet).

Your knowledge on Maggette and the Clippers is minimal. Try not to make it so obvious you're talking out of your ass and maybe then I won't have to "talk down" to you.

You are focusing on one thing: MONEY as the reason he will not leave.

My focus for Corey leaving is NOT focused on money but on UNHAPPINESS with the situation the franchise is in, with his own situation, with the coaching situation, etc.

I remember the Utah deal now, I didn't understand why he took the deal at the time, and his contract has been regarded as one of the "best" in the league for his entire tenure essentially. I don't know the reason he accepted such bad pay for being a good player, but he did, does the reason why particularly matter? It does show however that money is not necessarily his rooted interest which you are insinuating it will become. Thus, he will resign with LAC merely because he can make the most money there.

Finally, knowledge of the Clippers means NOTHING to this argument as well. Knowing that a player is feasibly unhappy and observing trends in the league for the past several decades has lead to a key observation: if a player wants out, even if there is not a clear "way out" he will be freed from his team. Are you going to sit there and tell me if Maggette privately talks with Sterling and says he no longer has interest in being a Clipper, Sterling would would say "OH WELL, WE WONT AGREE TO ANY S&T AND YOU WILL ROT ON THE BENCH OR TAKE THE MLE." Don't be absurd, if Mags, or any other player, expresses he wants to leave and a fair deal comes via S&T, it WILL happen most times, and has happened with great frequency throughout sports history and is happening with greater frequency nowadays. Look no further than Odom for an extreme example of such a case.

I'm done here, I've never seen a "mod" be such a jackass in this forum, and I really do enjoy it from mods in particular because I can run circles around you with my knowledge of how boards work given that I've SET UP boards larger than this one and am head administrator for much more complex facets of computing. Enjoy knowing everything and apparently being a fan of a team which is exempt from trends prevalent in sports history.

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Magic fans must have a man crush on Maggette. I'll ROFLMAO when he stays in Clipper Nation for better paper.

BTW I've already stated I do not want Mags very much as I don't think he fits our system at all and will likely demand too much price.

However, I do believe that if he decides to leave LAC (which none of us know) there will be a suitor able to muster up a decent enough S&T that your GM would accept, it's happened before, it will happen again. Period.

Don't lump me in with other Magic fans that want him just because I happen to be a Magic fan. I'd rather take a lower priced, more role player, type of a guy like Josh Childress. Between Howard, Lewis, Turkoglu, and Nelson we have enough guys that need the ball to be effective, we need defense and guys that can knock down open shots now.

[jgustav1]

If the Clippers were smart they would try to S&T Maggette/Kaman/filler to Washington for Arenas/Haywood.

Putting Arenas, Brand and Thornton on the same team with a top 6 draft pick could add some excitement to the team for next season and give Brand a reason for resigning with the Clippers.

[loflin3hree5ive]

Speaking of trends, guys who have monster contract years make a ton of money the following season. That's as obvious a trend there is in the NBA. And even if Corey weren't tearing it up this season, name me one player in their mid-20's who took less money to sign with a different team. Let me know when you got an answer for that one. And congratulations on your boards you've set up, I'm very impressed.

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Speaking of trends, guys who have monster contract years make a ton of money the following season. That's as obvious a trend there is in the NBA. And even if Corey weren't tearing it up this season, name me one player in their mid-20's who took less money to sign with a different team. Let me know when you got an answer for that one. And congratulations on your boards you've set up, I'm very impressed.

Where have I ever stated that Corey would take LESS money bro?

Find me a quote of that please. I said its possible because, hell, everything is possible, and only a dunce would sit there and say something isn't the slightest bit possible. However, I've specifically mentioned many times that he isn't going to Orlando (as one instance) for the MLE because he's far better than that. Meaning, what? I'm sure you can figure it out from here, maybe...

I have been advocating the possibility to S&T, something your feeble brain seems to inexplicably ignore. Maggette will get paid this offseason, and it will likely be by the Clippers. The question now becomes...does Maggette express interest in a S&T and do the Clippers oblige? This is a trend very prevalent in sports today, if a player wants out he'll get out. Period.

I'm not sure if I can put it any other way. Yet, you'll probably come back to this saying that, "Maggette cannot walk to another team for more money than the Clippers can offer him, therefore it won't happen." LMAO!

Really setting the standard of moderator here aren't you? How's it feel to be so cool? At least I've gotten paid more than your entire family makes to administer the boards I have (including other responsibilities to those companies obviously).

I've tried to be cordial and respecting of you, but WTF man, I'm completely not spewing stuff outside of the realm of possibility that hasn't happened before. I don't even have a keen interest on him, so it's not out of some attempt to be a homer that I think the Magic will get him for the MLE, or that he'll force a sign and trade to Orlando. However, it's completely not out of the realm of possibility that a S&T occurs with some other team if he forces the issue, we cannot count the number of times in sports its happened in very similar situations. Will history repeat itself? I got no clue, but that doesn't mean it CANNOT.

EDIT: Trying to make my point as clear as possible. If you disagree with it, that's totally fine, but you aren't even acknowledging any semblance of understanding. This isn't a highly technical issue or something.

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You are focusing on one thing: MONEY as the reason he will not leave.

My focus for Corey leaving is NOT focused on money but on UNHAPPINESS with the situation the franchise is in, with his own situation, with the coaching situation, etc.

There is your quote.

And, you still fail to show any semblance of understanding the point outlined above.

Let's get this straight from a logical perspective. I say it's not about money and you infer that means...he won't get paid? I say your focus IS on money therefore mine IS NOT? That's not the way it works.

What I said above is that there's a possibility he leaves for less if he's disgruntled. However, the primary root of why he'd bother to "leave" (whether via trade or walking) would have to be rooted in the fact that he may (or may not) be U-N-H-A-P-P-Y.

We can agree to disagree, I don't mind that in the least bit, but show more intelligence than a three year old and acknowledge the capability to understand another perspective: that of, walking away is not Corey's only way to leave the franchise, and walking away to Philly/Memphis is not his only way to leave the franchise and get paid at the same time. The possibility clearly exists of a SIGN AND TRADE where Corey could get everything he wants and the Clippers get reasonable compensation in return.

We don't know if Corey wants to leave, but are you actually telling me that if he says he wants out via a S&T that it blatantly won't happen? Give me a break.

This would be a good conversation if you could manage to not have a one-track mind that the only way he could possibly leave is to take the MLE.

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I've deleted my post because I refuse to be bated.

Like I've said, I've predicted a Maggette S&T for several months but with his improved play I believe the Clippers will retain him. The specifics of why I believe this are scattered throughout this thread.

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I've deleted my post because I refuse to be bated.

Like I've said, I've predicted a Maggette S&T for several months but with his improved play I believe the Clippers will retain him. The specifics of why I believe this are scattered throughout this thread.

If you've predicted a S&T, why do you refuse to acknowledge my points and seemingly always bring up that nobody can offer him more than the MLE? Now that his play has improved it removes the possibility of S&T? Oh OK. Actually, it's probably that you'd rather just retain him because of his performance. Improved play does not modify the chances of S&T, if anything, it increases it (i.e. more suitors).

I think this thread has run it's course, it may be applicable to lock this thread.

[loflin3hree5ive]

Not neccessary. Thank you for your input.

[tsherkin]

I think in any question pertaining to the future of Maggette, one has to consider his value.

He's a pretty player statistically speaking but we've heard all kinds of unpleasant things about him outside of L.A.

For my money, I'm not rocked on my heels by anything he's done. He's as athletic as can be and he's ripped, both of which make him a very valuable slasher in tandem with his "to the rim" mentality (which is a nice thing to see). He's a solid rebounder for a SF, but nothing really special in that regard. He's improved as a passer, which is nice to see, but again, he's nothing special in that category. His mid-range shot is getting nicer, which is definitely a plus for a slasher.

He is notably prone to missing games, though; he's averaging just about 65 games a season in his career, which is unpleasant.

I don't know. Maggette's motivations will be important; one can go back and forth endlessly about what he might do but one cannot tell if Maggette is unhappy enough in L.A. to warrant opting out and taking a paycut to play in another city (since the market isn't flooded wtih teams possessing the cap space necessarily to outbid the Clippers).

But then, which teams would be chasing Maggette? At the MLE, if he would be willing to sign for that, there are a few teams that'd certainly consider him but how many would be appreciable steps up in the NBA pecking order?

No offense to the Clippers, but their franchise isn't going anywhere any time soon, even when Elton comes back; the West is just too nasty and they don't have good enough management, coaching or ownership to compete, let alone roster parts.

But legitimately, where else might Maggette go where he'll get playing time, a feature spot in the offense and a decent pay cheque?

I mean, if Boston gives him a ring, sure, but what's the likelihood of him getting a significant role in that offense, you know?

[madmaxmedia]

I think there will be a few playoff-caliber teams who would sign him for the MLE. Everyone gets a MLE, and he would provide a good offensive boost for a team who is perhaps strong defensively but not offensively. Or if this was last year, I could imagine the Warriors dumping Jason Richardson (big money) and then filling his spot with Maggette.

Lamar Odom never really fit on the team once we got Brand, because he's sort of a jack of all trades type player. But Maggette is a scorer plain and simple, and did contribute when the Clippers had their good season 2 years ago. He has his deficiencies, but is a very efficient scorer. I think he has also cut down a bit on the negative aspects of his game, and always plays hard.