So all the bad teams have fired their coaches except...

illastrate · Post #1 » by **illastrate** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:11 pm

...US! Ok, we're not a bad team, on the contrary, we're very talented. Which makes it worse that Dun's still here. Reggie Theus is a coach I would love to have. Even at 6-18, he's got them playing hard. They just don't have the talent, but in the games I've seen, they have really good ball movement, no ballstoppers, stupid iso's, etc. In other words, if we had ball movement like that, we'd be .500, at least.

I know it's not gonna happen, but it's just interesting to see every bottom feeder get rid of their coach and ours is still around. :lol:

scratch21 · Post #2 » by **scratch21** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:24 pm

our team is full of ISO players thats the problem its Coaches fault but u look at BD , AL , Zach
those are all 1 on 1 players

ClipperDomination · Post #3 » by **ClipperDomination** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:19 am

It's not the fact that they are one-on-one players, it's the fact that the one-on-one player's are fit so poorly in Dumb's offensive system that we barely ever get good ball movement/second chance opportunities. I'm tired of my favorite team having the most stagnant offense in the NBA for 2+ seasons. We need a player's coach, not a coach's coach.

I'd go after Mo Cheeks.

mj_shoefanatic · Post #4 » by **mj_shoefanatic** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:09 am

Ball movement would work wonders for this team.

J-Rich- · Post #5 » by **J-Rich-** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:15 am

you guys arent alone... nellie makes dunleavy look like god right now. can we trade head coaches plz?

madmaxmedia · Post #6 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:37 pm

scratch21 wrote:our team is full of ISO players thats the problem its Coaches fault but u look at BD , AL , Zach
those are all 1 on 1 players

But that's not a problem, it just means that those guys don't need to be open to score. They can take their man one-on-one, which you'd like to have from any player. Teamwork is of course critical to success, but basketball also comes down to guys beating their man (whether on the ball or off the ball, with help or purely 1-on-1) and scoring.

Ball movement is not an end in itself. Ball movement can help facilitate guys beating their man and scoring. Having guys that can break down their man with individual skills will only help, if the coach knows what he is doing and manages the team well.

It's how you set up a general offense around your guys that will determine success or failure.

scratch21 · Post #7 » by **scratch21** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:33 pm

i understand but they are 1 on 1 players .
i think thats the scouting report of this team when we match up
teams know were gonna play 1 on 1 ISO

realfung · Post #8 » by **realfung** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:59 pm

Warriors haven't.

madmaxmedia · Post #9 » by **madmaxmedia** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:34 pm

scratch21 wrote:i understand but they are 1 on 1 players .
i think thats the scouting report of this team when we match up
teams know were gonna play 1 on 1 ISO

I guess I'm not really disagreeing with anything you say, but just continuing the conversation-

No matter what your players, you need a good offensive system that makes the most of your players' strengths, and obviously can be effective against NBA defenses.

I think the issue is not whether say ZBo is a iso-type player- most all power forwards are (or should be!) He can score on the low post when he is defended 1-on-1, or at least generate good shot opportunities. The issue is can he recognize double-teams and pass out of them, or even better find the open man when he is double-teamed? If he can, then he is the best of both worlds- he can generate his own shot, yet play well within a team concept. A team without at least a couple of these guys is ultimately going to stagnate offensively, because there's no one who can rescue a possession when the shot clock is down to 8 seconds, or create something when they face a team with good defenders who don't get lazy off the ball. NBA point guards have become more scoring oriented in the last few years, because a double-threat PG is hard to ever totally contain- he can potentially beat you no matter how you try to defend him.

A ball hog is obviously not a good thing, or someone who has poor court awareness and turns the ball over or takes bad shots when he is defended well or double-teamed. If that's what you more or less meant by 'ISO' player, then yeah they are a very mixed bag (Maggette anyone?) Randolph has been huge for this teams since arriving, and it's no coincidence that we have suddenly started winning games. He is carrying a big offensive load and seems to be passing out of double-teams and avoiding mistakes (for the most part), that's the kind of contribution you get from a 'ISO' player who is playing efficiently.