Sources: Sterling Nixed Randolph Swap With Griz

[Hooch20]

The Grizz supposedly offered Jaric and Buckner, we said no and countered with Darko and Buckner. I really don't believe that Sterling said no. This deal would have saved him money and I'm sure he'd be all for that.

If we are going to trade one of are big guys what deal is best?

Unload Randolph and his contract for bad players?

Trade Kaman or Camby for a player that could really help us?

If I'm the team I like the idea of trading Kaman or Camby for someone that can help us rather than trading Randolph for garbage. The team is showing patience which is the way to go right now.

I also don't see why Zach and Blake can't play together. Zach doesn't clog the lane and loves to shoot outside. Is an opposing center going to step out and guard Randolph? I really don't see that happening. I also don't see how an opposing center has a chance of guarding Blake and his quickness. Team always go small these days which also favors a lineup of Zach and Blake.

[hype_2004]

WTF was your owner thinking? Sterling ahs literally lost his mind.

[bgassassin]

This is from the Grizzlies beat writer. There's more than likely more to this deal.

[ClipperDomination]

This is from the Grizzlies beat writer. There's more than likely more to this deal.

Is he not credible or something?

[playaloc916]

The Grizz supposedly offered Jaric and Buckner, we said no and countered with Darko and Buckner. I really don't believe that Sterling said no. This deal would have saved him money and I'm sure he'd be all for that.

If we are going to trade one of are big guys what deal is best?

Unload Randolph and his contract for bad players?

Trade Kaman or Camby for a player that could really help us?

If I'm the team I like the idea of trading Kaman or Camby for someone that can help us rather than trading Randolph for garbage. The team is showing patience which is the way to go right now.

I also don't see why Zach and Blake can't play together. Zach doesn't clog the lane and loves to shoot outside. Is an opposing center going to step out and guard Randolph? I really don't see that happening. I also don't see how an opposing center has a chance of guarding Blake and his quickness. Team always go small these days which also favors a lineup of Zach and Blake.

+1

As much as I don't like Randolph, the guy can still score and get rebounds, and IMO doesn't make the team significantly worse when he's on the court. If the trade was for Darko and Buckner, then I think I would've made the trade, since Darko can probably be of some use. But the main problem with this trade, is that this doesn't change our log jam of big men. So maybe I wouldn't have made the trade. It would be nice if we could get a decent guard or a guard/forward in return, which is something we need much more than another big man.

If the trade was for Jaric and Buckner, than I probably wouldn't have made the trade, because as far as I know, Jaric is not very useful. We need a G or preferably a G/F, but one that can contribute. We're pretty thin on talent in the G/F positions, and could use a serviceable back up PG. I hope there are some other deals in the future, as we really need one of our big men to be converted into a decent G.

[loflin3hree5ive]

If Griffin can play center, and I think he can, the Clips are better off playing him there and Randolph at PF. Kaman and Camby have the most trade value so it make more sense to trade, especially if all Zach can bring back is a couple of scrubs who provide no financial incentive. If Zach can be moved at the deadline for expiring then you do it.

[bgassassin]

This is from the Grizzlies beat writer. There's more than likely more to this deal.

Is he not credible or something?

Tillery has tendencies of not doing thorough research and Heisley/Hollins/Conley homerism which affects what he writes. Just recently he said in an article that NBA player Reggie Evans was Tyreke Evan's older brother. Tyreke's been in Memphis long enough to know that isn't true, and a simple search would have shown that Tyreke's brother is in his mid 30s. I'm sure some other Griz fans will say the same thing or worse.

Also in that same article he says Miami offered Beasley and Chalmers for our 2nd and 27th picks respectively, but Miami's writer in a blog post said it was told to him to be the other way around. Due to Tillery's trend in writing, I'll trust Miami's writer.

I found a thread to help you out. It kind of goes a little off-topic into some Mayo at PG talk and stuff, but you might get a good idea of why I made that other post.

http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/index ... topic=5223

[Roscoe Sheed]

Again, I think Z-Bo and Griffin could co-exist. The guy that really needs to go is Kaman.

Someone has to go. I think Z-Bo can probably handle backup center duties for a short time. There aren't many true centers in the league anymore. So most backup centers are really just power forwards to begin with so his size isn't a concern..

Out of the 3 Z-Bo should be the hardest to trade.. So with this decent offer it should have gone through, but at the same time this guy is a guaranteed 20-10. You're right about Kaman though. The guy is a total bonehead, and has a longer contract. I just want one of these guys gone.

Even if we're plagued with injuries for another season, that is a horrible reason to keep extra talented players. We'd have to focus on why our players are getting injured rather than piling up talent that will end up getting injured to begin with. It'll continue to cause chemistry issues because you don't have a set rotation every night.

Camby is though and there's enough time for Camby to play around 25-30 mpg


But need need some kind of protection around the rim.. Blake and Zbo are not shot blockers...

[StutterStep]

:noway:

We had a chance to get rid of Z-Bo's contract, but our owner never will allow us to progress. Ugh.

The owner knows which players (Kaman and Davis) and bailed early last season. He knows that no matter what Zach is going to produce. That offer was beyond terrible.

Proof? Darko was then traded for Quentin Richardson. Look at all 3 players' numbers from the past 3 years...oh yeah, and Greg Buckner!!!

LOL -- Put Zach with Memphis next to Gasol/Thabeet with Gay, Mayo and Conley...WOW

[ClipperDomination]

:noway:

We had a chance to get rid of Z-Bo's contract, but our owner never will allow us to progress. Ugh.

The owner knows which players (Kaman and Davis) and bailed early last season. He knows that no matter what Zach is going to produce. That offer was beyond terrible.

Proof? Darko was then traded for Quentin Richardson. Look at all 3 players' numbers from the past 3 years...oh yeah, and Greg Buckner!!!

LOL -- Put Zach with Memphis next to Gasol/Thabeet with Gay, Mayo and Conley...WOW

I could care less about the value. Not that Zach is a good player, but you are not going to win with him as your PF. He's ball dominant and plays no defense. Build for the future, not for the present.

If you can get his contract off the books, do it. Plain and simple.

[StutterStep]

^Ok gotcha. You're debating with emotions. I can't beat that

[madmaxmedia]

First of all, absolutely NOTHING has to be done to 'free up' playing time for Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin will play. A lot. His PT and development are about 7 rungs up the ladder in importance compared to just about any other Clipper, certainly Clipper big men.

Second, Darko sucks. I'm not singing the praises of ZBo here, just saying who cares about Darko.

So what are we left with? The Clippers could've dumped ZBo's contract, according to the article DTS stopped it. It was a bad trade in terms of player value, but a good trade in terms of dumping contracts. So if DTS vetoed it, that's his perogative. The Clippers don't have much cap space either way, it's not like this was a precursor to signing some quality FA. I guess there was some value in Darko in that he would be an expiring next year, but that's absolutely it. In another year ZBo will be the expiring anyway.

You think anyone in the stands, on the bench, or upstairs in Clipper management is going to fret over ZBo's PT compared to Blake Griffin's? So with all that said, this was a trade that perhaps could have been construed as addition by subtraction. But if DTS is willing to eat ZBo's contact, there's little reason to subtract from a fan's perspective.

Do we have too many big men? Yes, we do. But I'm not the least bit worried about Blake Griffin's PT. Thus, I'm not the least bit worried about our surplus of big men. ZBo will play less minutes (but still play), he can think of great ways to enjoy his money on sitting the bench. The only opportunity here is to get some actual player value in return for one of our extra big men, and Darko was not it.

[man_listen]

Can someone explain why this was a bad move by Sterling? Unless I'm missing something, Zach is an unrestricted free agent in 2010 meaning his contract will come off the books and free up space to sign one of the many available and talented players of that free agent class. Then the only thing left to do is convince one of those players to come to a great city that is Los Angeles and team up with this roster:

Baron Davis
Eric Gordon
Al Thornton
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

Seriously, am I dumb? It looks like Sterling is looking at the big picture to me.

[mkwest]

Can someone explain why this was a bad move by Sterling? Unless I'm missing something, Zach is an unrestricted free agent in 2010 meaning his contract will come off the books and free up space to sign one of the many available and talented players of that free agent class. Then the only thing left to do is convince one of those players to come to a great city that is Los Angeles and team up with this roster:

Baron Davis
Eric Gordon
Al Thornton
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

Seriously, am I dumb? It looks like Sterling is looking at the big picture to me.

Actually, he'll be a free agent in the summer of 2011 meaning that we have him for 2 more seasons.

I want us to move the player (Z-Bo, Kaman or Camby) that is going to net us the best return. It would have been nice to already know exactly who will and who won't be on the roster come opening night, but not at the expense of jumping the gun. More teams will call this summer, and Houston may very well be one of them. I'd like to see us show some patience and make the right moves. The ball is currently in our court. We don't have to worry about re-signing a bunch of guys like we usually do, so there's more times to filter through what offers and interest comes our way.

[madmaxmedia]

I want us to move the player (Z-Bo, Kaman or Camby) that is going to net us the best return.

That's it in a nutshell.

It would be understandable for the Clippers to want to dump ZBo's salary in return for a better contract and nothing else (like say Darko.) But if they are willing to make the best trade based on actual trade value coming back, then that's the best situation possible.