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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#61 » by og15 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:37 pm

clipocketurs wrote:Thornton is just like Bargnani. He is overrated by home fans.

I hope Clippers trade for a SF.

Baron/Telfair
Gordon/Collins
Novak/Thornton
Blake/Craig Smith
Camby/Kaman

Madsen, Thornton, Ricky, Collins are expiring contracts that Clippers should try to trade for a SF sometime during the season.

I would rather start Novak than Thornton. Thornton and Baron can't shoot.
I don't know about that comparison. I'm not really sure who is overrating Thornton, and Bargnani is probably a better player than most outside fans give him credit for. I really don't see the comparison.

Also I'm not sure how Steve Novak who didn't start over Thornton last year is going to start over him this year. Thornton is an average player and while he's not the shooter Novak is, he is better at everything else at SF (ball handling, defense etc).

Thornton is a decent mid-range shooter, and Baron isn't as bad a shooter as he displayed last season. Gordon is an excellent shooter though, and I think the spacing should be fine with Baron and Thornton as starters.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#62 » by mkwest » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:50 am

brucecanplayo wrote:i cant believe all the hate for ricky davis in this thread, he's the heart and soul of the clippers and the only thing stopping them from being a 5 win team


His heart's an empty hole and he's got garlic in his soul. :wink:



He has to be better this upcoming season. Last year he was horrible and aggravating to watch. I don't have a problem with him getting time if he's performing. I can forgive and forget all about his play last year if he can regain his shooting touch from 3 and provide solid minutes off the bench.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#63 » by clipocketurs » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:57 am

BoomFizzle wrote:I actually liked Ricky's energy last year but /\ = :lol:

clipocketurs wrote:Clippers need to get more 3pt shooters.

Baron, Thornton, Ricky, Taylor, Collins, Telfair all can't shoot.

Sign Novak and trade for some shooters.


Baron and Ricky can actually shoot, they just sucked last year. Baron's 3pt percentage is often low due to chucking at the end of the shot clock or when the team is getting beaten badly. He is actually competent at hitting 3s with consistency.

But I do agree we need more 3pt shooter. Thornton in particular really hurts the floor spacing due to lack of range. He could improve it over the summer I suppose but I haven't heard anything about it.


I have to disagree about Baron and Ricky being able to shoot. I look at eFG% to determine if a player is an efficient shooter or not.

Baron's career eFG% is .466. Ricky's .480.

League average last season was .500.

Eric Gordon last season was .529, Novak .595.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#64 » by clipocketurs » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:27 am

To me, Thornton is 1 of the 3 worst full-time starting small forwards in the league.

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809LAC.HTM

net production: - 2.9
net on court/off court +/-: - 4.5

Gomes and Wilson Chandler are also bad but they are better shooters than Thornton.

Thornton should not play more than 15 minutes a game.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#65 » by mkwest » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:49 pm

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See Clippers #1 draft pick Blake Griffin in his STAPLES Center debut when the Clippers take on the Trailblazers, Friday, October 9th at 7:30PM. Griffin joins veterans Baron Davis, Marcus Camby, third-year player Al Thornton, and second-year player Eric Gordon as the Clippers gear up for the 2009-10 NBA Season.


Banandy of Clips Nation brought this up the other day. It comes from an emaiil for Preseason tickets, which I'm sure most of you received. Dunleavy has already said that starters will be named in training camp which is only a couple weeks away. Do you guys think it is just pure speculation from marketing, or that this is a probable starting line up for us when the season kicks off?
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Post#66 » by thanumba2clippersfan » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:02 am

This could be the starting lineup to start the season, but we all know how Dunleavy likes matchups and changes his mind frequently.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#67 » by mkwest » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:39 am

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:This could be the starting lineup to start the season, but we all know how Dunleavy likes matchups and changes his mind frequently.


lol that goes without saying. We've had something like 70+ total different lineups in the last 2 seasons (primarily to injury). I hope that number is greatly decreased this year.

The only real questions are who starts at Center and Small Forward. Right now, I'm thinking that regardless of who starts that Kaman/Butler and Camby/Thornton should be the combinations. We need to maximize our scoring options, since bench scoring has been an issue for quite awhile. Also, I think that those combinations also complement each other in terms of spacing.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#68 » by BoomFizzle » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:49 pm

mkwest wrote:
thanumba2clippersfan wrote:This could be the starting lineup to start the season, but we all know how Dunleavy likes matchups and changes his mind frequently.


lol that goes without saying. We've had something like 70+ total different lineups in the last 2 seasons (primarily to injury). I hope that number is greatly decreased this year.

The only real questions are who starts at Center and Small Forward. Right now, I'm thinking that regardless of who starts that Kaman/Butler and Camby/Thornton should be the combinations. We need to maximize our scoring options, since bench scoring has been an issue for quite awhile. Also, I think that those combinations also complement each other in terms of spacing.


I agree, I would like to see something like:

Starting/Bench

Baron/Telfair
Gordon/Ricky (or a FA)
Butler/Thornton
Griffin/Smith
Kaman/Camby

Obviously guys like DJ, Novak and Mardy will get some minutes. At the moment the roster looks pretty solid but I would like to add an athletic SG through free agecy, preferrably one with a good 3pt shot.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#69 » by kombayn » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:41 am

Starters/Bench:

PG - B. Davis/S. Telfair
SG - E. Gordon/R. Butler
SF - A. Thornton/S. Novak
PF - B. Griffin/C. Smith
C - M. Camby/C. Kaman

I'm liking this roster, it's very solid for a 10-man rotation.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#70 » by Det the Threat » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:15 pm

To me it should look like that:

PG: Davis/Telfair/Collins
SG: Gordon/Butler/Collins
SF: Butler/Thornton/Novak
PF: Griffin/Smith/Camby/Novak
C: Kaman/Camby/Jordan

I left out R. Davis because i'd rather start a guy off the street instead of him. Though, knowing Dumbleavy we should expect R. Davis in the rotation because he somehow likes him. Hopefully he'll either be injured or somehow finds a grove offensively, cause if he isn't hitting his shots, he's absolutely deadly, for your his own team.

Other then not liking Davis, i did put in Collins because i like his defensive abilities and versatility. He could be a nice and important bench player for us and way more usefull than Davis.

It's also nice to see the depth we've got, cause given our injury problems we'll need it to get through the season.

Starting Butler is also something i'd prefer, cause i like his defense and jumpshooting ability next to Griffin and Gordon. We don't need a guy starting next to them who needs the ball in his hands or about 15 FGA's per game.
It would also strengthen our bench to convince Thornton to be our 6th man, as he could be instand offense off the bench, while going against other teams 2nd units.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#71 » by playaloc916 » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:05 am

^^

That's exactly how I would like the lineup to be. Until Ricky can prove he's not a liability on the court, he should not be in the rotation. Collins was a nice surprise for us last year. I think his versatility is something we could really use.

I've been debating for the longest time whether Thornton or Butler should start, and at first I wanted Thornton to start, but the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking Butler should start. We don't want to use all our firepower up on the first unit, and then have no scorers in our second unit. Having Thornton come off the bench lets him continue his ball-dominating play, which should keep him somewhat happy, but at the same time, should provide us with instant offense off the bench.
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Re: clippers ideal lineup next year 

Post#72 » by DunknDave » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:02 am

I think we're looking at a 9 man rotation with Collins, Novak, and Jordan getting mop-up minutes. Butler should come off the bench at the 2 and 3 spots. Camby probably starts---at least early on. Ricky Davis is going to have to earn time based on his training camp, the team can get by without any contribution from him. Novak is a specialist, nothing more, so his time will be based on situations. Jordan just needs to get any playing time he can get to continue with his development. Basically is't up to the top 9 guys to make or break this season.

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