Crazy moves to save the Clips

bleedblue3303 · Post #1 » by **bleedblue3303** » Mon May 31, 2010 5:42 pm

wanted to see what you all thought of this idea.

1st. Trade Gordon and draft pick to Minnesota for Rubio and draft Pick.
Why? Not only do we get Rubio who has the potential to be the best pg in the league. We get Cousins with the draft pick and have a front court of Cousins and Blake. That's 10 years of NASTY in the FC.

2nd
Trade Baron to Knicks for Curry and Chandler.
Why? We no longer need Baron with Rubio here. Curry's contract expires after this year opens up another 10 million in cap space. Chandler is a young serviceable 2 guard who will not be as good but will do a decent job in place of Gordon.

3rd. Trade Kaman to Detroit for T. Prince.
Why? Prince can play small forward and his contract expires next year.

4th Next year go hard after Carmelo Anthony.

Heres your potential team in 2 years.

PG Rubio
SG Anthony
SF Prince
PF Griffin
C Cousins.

Post #2 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Mon May 31, 2010 5:48 pm

I don't think that any of these moves make sense. First Rubio is unproven in the NBA and right now Gordon is a pretty good starting SG. With trading Baron Eddie Curry hasn't played very much over the past few seasons and Chandler is solid but I don't like a deal of trading an all star and not getting much back and there being unknowns. We have often talked about trading Kaman for Prince, we would just have to make sure that we would have a good starting center if that happened. I would rather keep Kaman right now unless he shows that he can't produce like last season. And finally there is no guarantee that Carmelo would even sign with us and we'd have to wait a whole season for him to come over.

There are just way too many unknowns here.

bleedblue3303 · Post #3 » by **bleedblue3303** » Mon May 31, 2010 5:53 pm

Taking on Curry would be to simply get cap space. He expires after this year. I really don't expect him to play one game. Its a 10 million expiring this year. That contract is def worth something in the trade market or leaves us with a ridiculous amount of cap room for years to come. I think we would have a shot a Carmelo with that team. Where the Lakers have 2 to 3 years max before they get too old that team could be the thunder and become the best team in LA in 2 years. Also front court of Cousins and Griffin is too good to pass up.

RiversideClips · Post #4 » by **RiversideClips** » Mon May 31, 2010 8:13 pm

Too many dominoes in your equation.
Curry is too.......Old, slow, out of shape & he has a basketball mind like a gnat.
Why would the Clips want Prince now????? Why not wait a year & get him at a discount. Kaman maybe slow but, he is what every teams wants----- someone to fill the middle who has some talent.

I would rather the T wolves give us Kevin Love or Wesley Johnson (they can keep their 1st Rd Sammy Cassell pick) instead of Rubio.

We need another PT. Guard for sure but nobody wants Baron. I like Steve Blake, can we keep him?

We should get Dirk, he and Kaman are German team mates & buddies.

jgustav1 · Post #5 » by **jgustav1** » Mon May 31, 2010 8:45 pm

I don't see Rubio as having the potential to be the best PG in the league. Better than Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose? Maybe he has the potential to be in the top half of NBA starters someday. He isn't coming over for sure next year and probably not in 2011/12 if he doesn't want to be bound to the rookie salary scale.

I see Cousins as a fairly risky pick, he could easily turn out to be the next Stanley Roberts or Benoit Benjamin. I'd rather keep Gordon and let the TWolves experiment with Cousins or pick Johnson at #4 than attempt to move up to that pick if the cost is Gordon.

DangerCurtis · Post #6 » by **DangerCurtis** » Mon May 31, 2010 9:47 pm

Honestly, it kind of irks me to hear these ridiculous trade scenarios when all we need to do is add a SF and some depth. Imploding the team is just perpetuating the negative Clipper mentality. The pieces are there, just need someone to put it together.

Grime_Wizard · Post #7 » by **Grime_Wizard** » Mon May 31, 2010 10:28 pm

Not necessary.

bleedblue3303 · Post #8 » by **bleedblue3303** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:50 am

Mark my words this team as is. with one piece and current piece will NEVER get out of the first round of the playoffs. For the second time nobody want Curry to play. He would be strictly for expiring. King James and non of the big boys are coming here this year. Lets plan for the future. Kaman is just ok and Baron is so old he has Jesus's beeper number. No one wants to completely revamp this roster but me.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #9 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 1:34 pm

Anthony @ SG saves the Clippers.

God Squad · Post #10 » by **God Squad** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:31 pm

Minny wouldn't trade Rubio for Gordon. Rubio has more value than Gordon. Hell Cousins has move value than Gordon.

Quentin · Post #11 » by **Quentin** » Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:22 pm

Rubio and the #4 this year for Gordon and the 8th pick???

Wow, OP and some of you followers need to be a little more realistic. Minnesota gets reamed big time in this one. Two probable roll players for two potential stars. Not likely...fans in Minnesota would riot.

jgustav1 · Post #12 » by **jgustav1** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:48 pm

spade57 wrote:Minny wouldn't trade Rubio for Gordon. Rubio has more value than Gordon. Hell Cousins has move value than Gordon.

Rubio doesn't have more value than Gordon. He shot 36% overall from the field this year in Europe and doesn't have a known time table for coming over to the NBA.

jgustav1 · Post #13 » by **jgustav1** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:52 pm

Quentin wrote:Rubio and the #4 this year for Gordon and the 8th pick???

Wow, OP and some of you followers need to be a little more realistic. Minnesota gets reamed big time in this one. Two probable roll players for two potential stars. Not likely...fans in Minnesota would riot.

Eric Gordon is not a probable role player, I don't see either Rubio or Cousins turning into stars.

madmaxmedia · Post #14 » by **madmaxmedia** » Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:58 pm

I think this at least a pretty interesting scenario by OP.

I doubt Minnesota would go for the first trade, but there's a certain symmetry to Minnesota trading an unavailable player (Rubio) in order to get their unavailable draft pick back (I've never heard of a traded pick with so much lotto protection.)

It does not matter whether Curry plays a single game, the point is to get his expiring and unload Baron Davis. Chandler seems like a decent young player and would be a suitable replacement for Gordon (from a big picture level.) Baron Davis should be at least an intriguing possibility in D'Antoni's offense, and would be another asset alongside their 2 max free agent slots. Certainly one would expect Baron to be re-energized by going to the Big Apple and playing with 2 big FA's.

I think Kaman to Detroit is primarily to free up cap space next year to presumably sign Carmelo. It's the weakest trade here, but again there is a point to it, within the overall scenario. In any case Tayshaun is a good player.

All of this only works if we were really able to land Carmelo. If not, the team gets worse not better.

The main reason this scenario is impossible is not because it's no good or unlikely to result in Carmelo signing with us, its because the Clippers don't ever have a real 3 to 5 year plan to direct their personnel moves. Sterling only evaluates each prospective move piecemeal to calculate if he profits from it (but does a credible job of it.) Such a owner will not hesitate to try to stiff a coaching semi-legend like Bill Fitch to save a few bucks, even though he antagonizes the coaching profession and hurts his chances to land better coaches in the future.

He's the ultimate example (in NBA owners) of penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Quentin · Post #15 » by **Quentin** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 10:51 am

jgustav1 wrote:
Quentin wrote:Rubio and the #4 this year for Gordon and the 8th pick???

Wow, OP and some of you followers need to be a little more realistic. Minnesota gets reamed big time in this one. Two probable roll players for two potential stars. Not likely...fans in Minnesota would riot.

Eric Gordon is not a probable role player, I don't see either Rubio or Cousins turning into stars.

You should invest in a pair of NBA goggles then.

mefromthefuture · Post #16 » by **mefromthefuture** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 11:38 am

madmaxmedia wrote:I think this at least a pretty interesting scenario by OP.

I doubt Minnesota would go for the first trade, but there's a certain symmetry to Minnesota trading an unavailable player (Rubio) in order to get their unavailable draft pick back (I've never heard of a traded pick with so much lotto protection.)

It does not matter whether Curry plays a single game, the point is to get his expiring and unload Baron Davis. Chandler seems like a decent young player and would be a suitable replacement for Gordon (from a big picture level.) Baron Davis should be at least an intriguing possibility in D'Antoni's offense, and would be another asset alongside their 2 max free agent slots. Certainly one would expect Baron to be re-energized by going to the Big Apple and playing with 2 big FA's.

I think Kaman to Detroit is primarily to free up cap space next year to presumably sign Carmelo. It's the weakest trade here, but again there is a point to it, within the overall scenario. In any case Tayshaun is a good player.

All of this only works if we were really able to land Carmelo. If not, the team gets worse not better.

The main reason this scenario is impossible is not because it's no good or unlikely to result in Carmelo signing with us, its because the Clippers don't ever have a real 3 to 5 year plan to direct their personnel moves. Sterling only evaluates each prospective move piecemeal to calculate if he profits from it (but does a credible job of it.) Such a owner will not hesitate to try to stiff a coaching semi-legend like Bill Fitch to save a few bucks, even though he antagonizes the coaching profession and hurts his chances to land better coaches in the future.

He's the ultimate example (in NBA owners) of penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Come on we got Marko Jaric it was punishment enough after that trade my team has never finished over .500 McHale what a dumb @@@@ (I will stop there I could on for days)

True story here I remember the day of the trade I thought we got a first round pick from you with Marko I was thinking it was a below average deal for us but was happy to get the pick.

About half way through that season somebody told me we gave up the pick I was so angry and still am worst deal ever.

But no the Timberwolves will not trade Rubio because Kahn really believes he's the next great point guard not saying I think he's right but he believes it.

madmaxmedia · Post #17 » by **madmaxmedia** » Thu Jun 3, 2010 6:58 pm

LOL, I bear no resentment towards Minnesota for that trade- I totally agree we got the better end of it (even if there was no draft pick involved.) But that draft pick keeps eluding us, every 6 months I forget and ask myself "wait, does lotto protection end this year???"

I agree that the Wolves want to keep Rubio. Just wondering what their overall game plan will be for Rubio and Flynn.

Post #18 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:53 pm

Quentin wrote:
jgustav1 wrote:
Quentin wrote:Rubio and the #4 this year for Gordon and the 8th pick???

Wow, OP and some of you followers need to be a little more realistic. Minnesota gets reamed big time in this one. Two probable roll players for two potential stars. Not likely...fans in Minnesota would riot.

Eric Gordon is not a probable role player, I don't see either Rubio or Cousins turning into stars.

You should invest in a pair of NBA goggles then.

Says the guy who is speculating over players who haven't played a single NBA game yet.