The Real Reason Kaman has to Go

[Det the Threat]

You keep telling me that, meanwhile we both know that all star Kaman wouldve netted us much more than injured subpar 10 pt/8 rebound Kaman.


I'm calm. Tell me btw...who said he didn't have any value anyways? You can save the rolling eyes icons for them.

And why are you telling everyone, for over one year now, that you've said it all the time that Kaman needs to go?

It's just getting old and even if you told "us" so, you still don't know what's even out there for Kaman and your proposals are most of the time downgrades, even if you're praising them(like Okafor, who's challenged offensively and still only averaging 12ppg, while playing with the best pg in the league) as defensive upgrades.

Like I've said before, the only way we should move Kaman is if there's an upgrade available(which I don't think there is) or if we can unload Baron in such a deal.

If that's not possible, we'll have a pretty good trade chip come next summer, at the latest, when Kaman enters the final year of his contract and with other teams looking to manage their payroll, thanks to that new CBA, that should be in place some time next year.

[PerkinsFor3]

I don't see me showing a 'told you so' attitude here. Please reply to the subject and posts, not the poster.

A healthy All Star Kaman was a much much better trade piece than a exposed 10/8 injured Kaman. That's what I'm saying, let's discuss that.

If you think bringing in Okafor to address one of our biggest needs (interior defense) then I think our opinions on our team are to far apart to agree here. Trading empty scoring (Kaman) for defense inside (Okafor) could never be a bad trade. Even Chandler would be a good look here.

Another thing I'd love to see improved is our bench scoring and playmaking. Boobie Gibson would be a great fit and for some reason I thought Foye couldve provided just that.

[Det the Threat]

Of course guys are easier to trade, when they aren't injured but Kaman should be back in a couple of weeks and trading doesn't starts before December 15th, when those guys signed in summer are being allowed to trade.

As far as that "told you so" comment, let's have a look at the Nuggets game thread.

People thought I was crazy when I said we should cash in on Kaman palying well last year. Now it's too late.

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And I'm pretty sure that you'd be in line to argue about Okafor being limited on offense, killing ball movement(just ask Bobcats fans) and overall just being not helpfull on offense.
He's also not rebounding all that well so far(8.1 to Kaman's 7.8, while Kaman's got Griffin pulling down all those boards) and that combined with his contract is something that, to me, doesn't makes sense for us.

If we're to trade Kaman(and most likely/hopefully Baron), then we'd be taken a step back to, hopefully, get better later on and you just don't add that kind of contracts if you're going such a direction.
Chandler might be nice, but I'd only trade Kaman for him if they take on Baron as well.
And he's also very limited on offense and pretty useless without Chris Paul or Jason Kidd throwing him lobs.
Perkins won't be available and Haywood's got the same problem as Okafor, because his contract sucks as well.


BTW: Bench scoring is something we really have to adress, but I'm not down on Gibson. His contract is pretty big as well and I'd first look if we can't get healthy and bring Bledsoe, Aminu, Smith and Butler for some scoring off the bench.
Still, you'r right, a real 6th man(they always score quite well) is something we're really lacking for quite some time now.

[PerkinsFor3]

As far as that "told you so" comment, let's have a look at the Nuggets game thread.

Different topic.

[JES12]

Haywood + expirings (Butler, Barea, Stevenson)
for
Kaman, Davis and Gomes via TPE

[Det the Threat]

As far as that "told you so" comment, let's have a look at the Nuggets game thread.

Different topic.

Yeah...

Whatever, let's move on and agree to disagree on this one.

Haywood + expirings (Butler, Barea, Stevenson)
for
Kaman, Davis and Gomes via TPE

As I've written a couple posts above, Haywood and his huge contract are certainly not what we'd want if we're to take on step back and trade both Kaman and Davis.

So either make that Chandler or try to look for another team that likes Haywood enough to send us something else(with a better contract).

[PerkinsFor3]

If we'd trade for a big from Dallas, I bet it would be Chandler and his expiring. We then could ask for a bench scorer in return too. D. James or whatever.

[BoomFizzle]

How about a trade like the following:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=27s83tx

It would make sense to include Nelson in the deal somewhere but Im not sure where. Suns are pretty high on Dragic so maybe Nelson would have to go to us but then we would have to give some young pieces to the Suns. Overall Suns and Clipps probably don't accept but I just kind of like the idea of Nash on Orlando, Gortat on Clipps and Suns getting a proper center.

EDIT: On further thought its absolutely horrible for the Suns because Kaman isnt much use for a rebuilding team and Orton has pretty much no value.

[SportsFan215]

Haywood + expirings (Butler, Barea, Stevenson)
for
Kaman, Davis and Gomes via TPE

I would do that trade only if we could find a third team to swing Haywood to for a better contract.

[jgustav1]

Haywood + expirings (Butler, Barea, Stevenson)
for
Kaman, Davis and Gomes via TPE

Quite a bit of negative value from both sides, but I would be inclined to accept it from the Clippers side to ship out the 3 players who haven't provided much of anything positive so far this season. Haywood is on a long contract, 5 years are guaranteed, but he can provide some decent low post defense next to Blake Griffin and around 10 ppg, 9 rpg and 2 bpg in 32 minutes. He has a 6th year team option that almost certainly won't be picked up by any team that acquires him.