Blake Griffin's X-Ray on Elbow is Negative

Leor_77 · Post #1 » by **Leor_77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:34 am

This is per Ralph Lawler's twitter just an hour or so ago. Obviously, everything comes back negative...Hopefully, this was just a momentary thing, and he's fine and can go at it tommorow in Houston. So far, Blake thinks everything should be fine.

http://twitter.com/Ohmeomy/status/30136643692269568

On a side note, I'm really seeing an effect of players trying to give Blake cheap shots, and trying to hurt him. I missed the Haywood take down of him, but was disgusted when I saw it on the replay later, especially when it risks him getting an injury. I'm really not sure what the solution to this is, though. Haywood accomplished what he wanted - got a flagrant, but Blake was rattled and taken out of the game, and the Mav's subsequently blew it wide open. I guess I was kind of disappointed that no one stood up for him today.

Check out what Haywood said:

"No, that's not a flagrant foul," Haywood told ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan. "I feel the NBA should give my money back for that one. It was one of those plays, I just grabbed his arm. He's just so athletic and strong that he was still trying to finish the play and he ends up basically not protecting himself."

Just a scumbag. Same should have been done to him.

mike3 · Post #2 » by **mike3** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:31 am

Completely agree dude, its one thing to foul a guy hard but we've seen so often already in Griffins career. They just take him out and cause Griffin goes so hard it risks serious injury.. like this, even though i desperately hope he's ok. But it frustrates me possibly causing injury to Griffin cause hes such a force so defenders basically jump on him.

sefant77 · Post #3 » by **sefant77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:35 pm

No, Haywood is 100% right.

It wasnt a cheap shot, it wasnt a flagrant. Griffin went by Haywood and Haywood did a normal hard "no easy dunk" foul. The moment he put his arms on Griffins upper body Griffin has still both feed on the ground. But Griffin still tried to "break through" and do a unbalanced reverse (!) dunk. THATS the dangerous play by himself.

If a 280lbs guy goes for the clean hard foul you have to accept it. Stop your move going for a dunk etc, accept that the other guy choosed the "no easy dunk for you" option and just throw the ball up hoping for the lucky and1 bounce. Thats what 99% of the players do if they get such hard clean fouls.

Thats protection yourself. He should learn this quickly or he is hurting himself, not other players hurting him.

God Squad · Post #4 » by **God Squad** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:16 pm

I just saw the foul now. Not sure if it deserves a flagrant 1. I have to agree with Sefant. The foul occurred while both blakes feet where planted. Blake choose to attempt to get the and1. But damn that looked like it hurt kinda.

Post #5 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:06 pm

Flagrant fouls are determined by if the player that fouled is going for the ball. Did it look like Haywood was going for the ball? What I remember is that Haywood pulled on Blake's arm or side. I do agree that more could have been done on Blake's part to prevent the fall, but it may have happened so fast that the result was Blake falling on his elbow.

Leor_77 · Post #6 » by **Leor_77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:20 pm

sefant77 wrote:No, Haywood is 100% right.

It wasnt a cheap shot, it wasnt a flagrant. Griffin went by Haywood and Haywood did a normal hard "no easy dunk" foul. The moment he put his arms on Griffins upper body Griffin has still both feed on the ground. But Griffin still tried to "break through" and do a unbalanced reverse (!) dunk. THATS the dangerous play by himself.

If a 280lbs guy goes for the clean hard foul you have to accept it. Stop your move going for a dunk etc, accept that the other guy choosed the "no easy dunk for you" option and just throw the ball up hoping for the lucky and1 bounce. Thats what 99% of the players do if they get such hard clean fouls.

Thats protection yourself. He should learn this quickly or he is hurting himself, not other players hurting him.

Couldn't disagree more. Haywood clearly grabbed him, and pulled/threw him straight down.

ClipperDomination · Post #7 » by **ClipperDomination** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:48 pm

sefant77 wrote:No, Haywood is 100% right.

It wasnt a cheap shot, it wasnt a flagrant. Griffin went by Haywood and Haywood did a normal hard "no easy dunk" foul. The moment he put his arms on Griffins upper body Griffin has still both feed on the ground. But Griffin still tried to "break through" and do a unbalanced reverse (!) dunk. THATS the dangerous play by himself.

If a 280lbs guy goes for the clean hard foul you have to accept it. Stop your move going for a dunk etc, accept that the other guy choosed the "no easy dunk for you" option and just throw the ball up hoping for the lucky and1 bounce. Thats what 99% of the players do if they get such hard clean fouls.

Thats protection yourself. He should learn this quickly or he is hurting himself, not other players hurting him.

So Blake should stop trying to play as hard as possible? Contact to him is contact, he's going to try to get through it, as every player should. He's just that determined. "Accepting hard fouls" is a bogus claim when he's just a hard worker, trying to overcome all types of contact. I don't think it was a cheap shot by any means either, but Haywood's comments are very immature and unprofessional in my opinion.

sefant77 · Post #8 » by **sefant77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:49 pm

Leor_77 wrote:Couldn't disagree more. Haywood clearly grabbed him, and pulled/threw him straight down.

Maybe read again. Haywood clearly grabbed him, sure. And the play and Griffin move should have stopped there. But he didnt and try to go unbalanced and reverse up...thats why as result the "pulling down" happened.

Leor_77 · Post #9 » by **Leor_77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:06 pm

sefant77 wrote:
Leor_77 wrote:Couldn't disagree more. Haywood clearly grabbed him, and pulled/threw him straight down.

Maybe read again. Haywood clearly grabbed him, sure. And the play and Griffin move should have stopped there. But he didnt and try to go unbalanced and reverse up...thats why as result the "pulling down" happened.

What we have here are just differing opinions. You have yours, and myself and the three referee's have ours. You're obviously a Mav's fan, and homerism for your team is fine, but you can't be that clueless.

sefant77 · Post #10 » by **sefant77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:08 pm

Guess if you read on some other team boards you find this opinion a lot, so its not clueless homerism :roll:

As example from a Rockets board:

Watch it again. The foul comes a second before Griffin begins to elevate. However Haywood hung on to prevent the "and 1". Hard foul? Yes. Flagrant? I don't think so. If you're going to continue your motion to the basket, you should expect the contact to continue. I don't think the contact was unnecessary on Haywood's part since it was Griffin's motion of continuation that caused the hard fall.

sefant77 · Post #11 » by **sefant77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:14 pm

ClipperDomination wrote:So Blake should stop trying to play as hard as possible? Contact to him is contact, he's going to try to get through it, as every player should. He's just that determined. "Accepting hard fouls" is a bogus claim when he's just a hard worker, trying to overcome all types of contact. I don't think it was a cheap shot by any means either, but Haywood's comments are very immature and unprofessional in my opinion.

No, Griffin can do whatever he likes.

Sure he can try to go "through" such a hard clean foul. Other bigmen mostly dont do it because they prefer to protect himself (going back to Haywoods quote). They prefer throwing the ball up and taking without injury the FT. It happens in almost every game.

If Griffin prefers to go through it fine, just dont complain when the result is something like yesterday.

Leor_77 · Post #12 » by **Leor_77** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:37 pm

sefant77 wrote:Guess if you read on some other team boards you find this opinion a lot, so its not clueless homerism

As example from a Rockets board:

Watch it again. The foul comes a second before Griffin begins to elevate. However Haywood hung on to prevent the "and 1". Hard foul? Yes. Flagrant? I don't think so. If you're going to continue your motion to the basket, you should expect the contact to continue. I don't think the contact was unnecessary on Haywood's part since it was Griffin's motion of continuation that caused the hard fall.

The NBA will have plenty of time to review it and rescind if necessary, but they won't, because it was clearly a flagrant foul. Of course Blake was continuing the play, but the flagrant was called because he grabbed his arm/elbow, and PULLED him down to the floor. It's an obvious call, and I only wish we did the same to Barea or Terry, to take them out of the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND2TfJI-QGA