How high are you willing to match for DeAndre?

[DCintheD]

If a team offers him 10+ a year will the Clips match? How high is too high? Or do they match no matter what?

[thanumba2clippersfan]

I think I'm OK with him getting $10 million a year, even though that is high for him. I think the team is committed to keeping him. If we decide not to match then we still have Kaman.

[Palma Dutch]

I don't want to spend too much on DeAndre. I'm a guy who doesn't like spending, so at max I'd offer him about $8 million per year. Nothing more then that. I'm not 100% sold on him being a consistent player in the league, but we don't have many big men to choose from.

[mkwest]

The plan is to build around Griffin, Gordon and Jordan. The GM has stated that those 3 players are the core. All advertisements for next season are based on those 3 as well. We fully intend to match him and bring him back.

For me, it's hard to put a number on him right now, because of the possible rule changes when the new CBA is put in place. If we are using the current salary system as an example, I feel that $10M is too much. $10M is too much for a starting salary and it's even too much for a per year average. I know that he's a young athletic big with potential, but whoever paid him that would probably regret it (and that includes the Clippers). How much the organization is willing to pay is a different story.

[Palma Dutch]

I'm pretty surprised about how much faith the organization has in DeAndre. He had a good season, but I don't see how he's better then a Gortat or a Noah. He's got to polish his offensive game, while trying to be less foul prone. I love DeAndre Jordan, but I think he'd be the first one out if we decided to gut out the core we've assembled.

[madmaxmedia]

No one is offering him $10M a year (assuming current CBA scale.)

If he continues to improve he'll be worth maybe $8M (again current CBA scale) which we'll match.

[donemilio21]

8.5mil no more than 4 years

[P_Dub]

No more than 5 million. One partial-full season of development is hardly enough for 8+ mill.

DeAndre Jordan is smart though. He has befriended Blake Griffin, and I don't see why the Clippers would want to make him unhappy. If he can get a good contract elsewhere and have it matched to stay in LA, more power to him.

[guille_4]

I think he will get 35M/4y. There is a shortage of young, athletic Cs in the League.

[og15]

$10 million a year is just too much for a guy who as a starter is10-10-2.5 player. I mean his FG% is great, he's efficient with his limited possessions for the most part, and he's athletic, but $10 million is too much. That is probably an extra $4-5 million that could go into getting a solid SF down the line.

DeAndre hasn't really changed much in his 3 years as a Clipper. His per minute numbers have stayed the same. He doesn't have the awareness to be a go to post guy for more than limited possessions. His offense hasn't improved much from being a straight up finisher, but I'll give him props that he added a little to it, but nothing that will show up in real production. He has defensive potential, but he's still an athlete defensively, and not the greatest with defensive awareness. He's never been a terrible foul guy, though still high, so his foul numbers have been consistent (about 4.5 FPG), and he's consistently been a 10-10-2 player per 36 minutes with 60%+ FG. I think his biggest improvement is that he went up 8% in his FT's this season, but that brought him up to 45%, lol.

He still has potential, but to me if he can become a defensive monster that would be awesome. I don't care much about his offense (outside of FT shooting), but if he can get some help by another big man maybe, or a coach that can instill it in him (I'm not sure how good Vinny is with that) to become a defensive anchor, then he's a great guy to have. Right now he's still a great guy to have, but $10 million is pushing it. $10 million can get you Nene. Of course Nene wouldn't be the fit next to Griffin that DeAndre is because he's not a shot blocker, but the point is clear. $10 million in a future FA market can get you Andre Bogut or someone like that.

Anyways, I think I would go up to about $8-8.5 million to re-sign him, but I'd be looking at MLE as the ultimate price, and more reasonably, something like 4 years / $28-30 million. Maybe even front load his contract so there's more versatility down the road.

[MambaTime]

$10 million a year is just too much for a guy who as a starter is10-10-2.5 player. I mean his FG% is great, he's efficient with his limited possessions for the most part, and he's athletic, but $10 million is too much. That is probably an extra $4-5 million that could go into getting a solid SF down the line.

DeAndre hasn't really changed much in his 3 years as a Clipper. His per minute numbers have stayed the same. He doesn't have the awareness to be a go to post guy for more than limited possessions. His offense hasn't improved much from being a straight up finisher, but I'll give him props that he added a little to it, but nothing that will show up in real production. He has defensive potential, but he's still an athlete defensively, and not the greatest with defensive awareness. He's never been a terrible foul guy, though still high, so his foul numbers have been consistent (about 4.5 FPG), and he's consistently been a 10-10-2 player per 36 minutes with 60%+ FG. I think his biggest improvement is that he went up 8% in his FT's this season, but that brought him up to 45%, lol.

He still has potential, but to me if he can become a defensive monster that would be awesome. I don't care much about his offense (outside of FT shooting), but if he can get some help by another big man maybe, or a coach that can instill it in him (I'm not sure how good Vinny is with that) to become a defensive anchor, then he's a great guy to have. Right now he's still a great guy to have, but $10 million is pushing it. $10 million can get you Nene. Of course Nene wouldn't be the fit next to Griffin that DeAndre is because he's not a shot blocker, but the point is clear. $10 million in a future FA market can get you Andre Bogut or someone like that.

Anyways, I think I would go up to about $8-8.5 million to re-sign him, but I'd be looking at MLE as the ultimate price, and more reasonably, something like 4 years / $28-30 million. Maybe even front load his contract so there's more versatility down the road.

Very solid analysis. If anything is to be stressed, it's his inability to be on the floor in the fourth quarter when it counts. He's too much of a liability at the free-throw line.

[patrol345]

I could possibly see denver offering him 10 million a year if nene doesnt return. Anyone think he could play powerforward? from the limited time I have seen him he seems quick enough, just saying mozgov/deandre as bigs may not produce alot of points but I doubt anyones taking it in the paint on them.

[mkwest]

I could possibly see denver offering him 10 million a year if nene doesnt return. Anyone think he could play powerforward? from the limited time I have seen him he seems quick enough, just saying mozgov/deandre as bigs may not produce alot of points but I doubt anyones taking it in the paint on them.

Whenever he's played alongside Kaman or Camby, DJ has been the center. If the Nuggets or any other team were interested in signing DJ to an offer sheet, it needs to be as a center and their power forward needs to be a complement. He's very limited offensively outside of dunks and still a work in progress on defense. He's shown promise as a weakside defender, but he needs to improve on his man defense. Overall, he needs improve his defensive awareness and stay focused. Sometimes he can be a monster, and other times you can tell that he still has much to learn on the defensive side of the floor.

[thebeard]

I would guess that the Clips would pay whatever other teams are willing to pay. I am sure they will use backdoor channels to let other owners know DJ will be matched and any offer will be tied up for two weeks. With so few Centers on the market, nobody is going to want to miss out on Nene so they can make a bid on DeAndre, for example.

That said, I am guessing that DJ will sign an offer sheet but not at $10M+. Many teams realise that you need to have four offensive weapons on the floor in order to take advantage of DJ's offensive limitations. Not many teams can muster up that much firepower and without it, they could be looking at a DJ that averages 5ppg, 7rpg and 5 fouls per game. A lot to pay for that kind of production.

I personally believe DJ will be great if he can train more with Hakeem and Griffin. Next year will be telling for his career. Fortunately, his improvements in the offseason will not be a factor in his negotiations. Whoever gets him will be taking a gamble. We, at least, have some motivation due to his relationship with Blake and the fact that we have Kaman in reserve.

DJ should get some interest, but primarily from big teams like the Spurs and Boston - and they don't have much cash to spend. Houston is probably our biggest competitor. I just can't see them offering crazy dollars to an unproven prospect. They have too many other holes to fill and DJ will be looking for a long term contract. I am predicting a 5/$40M deal at the end of the day.

[panthermark]

Bulls fan here...
I'm thinking $8M (under a new CBA).

I'm REALLY high on the Clippers... As long as Sterling does not mess it up, I think the Clippers can go a long ways.


I would also make Wilson Chandler my #1 off-season target via S&T using Aminu and Foye. I think Chandler may get something similar to Jordan....5 years at $40M.

That team is a PG and some experience away from contending.

Peace!

[JMillott]

I think the Clippers need to take a fairly hard stance here.

Kendrick Perkins won an NBA championship as a starting center and a similar defensive anchor type with limited offensive game. The Celtics (rightfully in my opinion) balked at paying him upwards of $5-6 million a year and dealt him and the Thunder in turn basically gave him $9 million a year to a 25 minute a night C.

If I'm the Clippers sure I'd like to bring him back but i'm certainly not matching anything higher then Kendrick Perkins deal and my offer to him would start below that seeing that Perk won a title as a starting C and Jordan hasn't been to the playoffs.

My thought process is around $5.5 million to start on a three year deal with a team and player option on a fourth year. It allows the Clippers to pay him good money without having to give him a bunch of cash he hasn't earned yet and with it being only a three year deal it gives him a chance at a much bigger contract in less time should he work his ass off.

I wouldn't match anything even close to the $10 million a year number, I wouldn't go any higher then three years $24 million as my breaking point although i'd do four years $32 if the last year held a team option.

The important thing to remember here is that the Clippers have two allstar talents to worry about locking up long term in Griffin and Gordon they can't be running around over paying role players like they did with Gomes and Foye last year. Both of those guys should be combining to earn what the Clippers are paying to just one of them.

You over pay role players and get a team of bad contracts and you'll soon find the only player that your team can or will end up trading is the stars they couldn't build around. If a team blows its money on Jordan then just sign Dalembert for far less to do the same job.

[Det the Threat]

We first need to know how the new CBA looks, before we can talk about numbers on DeAndre's new contract.

Though, if it's anywhere close to the current one, then good luck with trying to re-sign him for nothing more then those 5.5 mil a season on a three year deal.
There's at least a handful of teams that would easily throw him more $ and years under the current CBA, to be able to sign him.

Also, comparing him, who'll only be 23 when the next season starts, with Kendrick Perkins, who's four years older and had a serious injury which he was still recovering from, isn't the best way to look at Jordan's price tag in free agency.

[JMillott]

My point with Kendrick Perkins was that he got overpaid and will be the mistake that ties their hands in the years to come. Basically what I'm saying is that you breakout the checkbook for difference makers and find affordable role players, when you start handing out big money to role players you are killing your own teams future not protecting it.

If the Clippers are including Deandre Jordan in all their planned marketing and trying to bill him as the third guy its a mistake. I like the guy and think the potential for him to become a 14/10 C who blocks a couple shots is there but I think you pay for what they've proven not for what you hope they'll be.

[Det the Threat]

My point with Kendrick Perkins was that he got overpaid and will be the mistake that ties their hands in the years to come. Basically what I'm saying is that you breakout the checkbook for difference makers and find affordable role players, when you start handing out big money to role players you are killing your own teams future not protecting it.

If the Clippers are including Deandre Jordan in all their planned marketing and trying to bill him as the third guy its a mistake. I like the guy and think the potential for him to become a 14/10 C who blocks a couple shots is there but I think you pay for what they've proven not for what you hope they'll be.

Please name those players averaging those numbers(or at least a double double) who're being paid less then $8 mil a year and aren't on their rookie deals.
Also, in this league you're certainly paying on potential, especially for guys as young as Jordan.

BTW: Clippers GM Neil Olshey always talks about three guys, when talking about the core guys of this franchise, and those names are Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon and DeAndre Jordan.

Don't get me wrong, I'm also not high on paying Jordan something like $10 mil a year(I don't want us to pay him more then $7 - $8 mil a year), but it seems like the Clippers FO is very high on him and willing to match almost every offer being thrown at him.