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Preseason Game 2: Clippers vs Heat in Beijing, China

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Re: Preseason Game 2: Clippers vs Heat in Beijing, China 

Post#61 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:06 pm

mkwest wrote:I like the way that Barnes has played for us. I didn't mention him after watching the game, but he's another player that deserves minutes when the season starts. I don't know how Vinny is going to work this all out when everyone is healthy, so he is going to have his work cut out for him.

Odom could be huge for us, seriously no pun intended. He's not there right now. We still have a few weeks (19 days to be exact) before the season starts, but it looks like he has a ways to go. We should be straight if he is in shape by the end of the year.

When Chris gets back, the team is going to look different on floor as there will be some actual leadership and direction. With 2 of our pg's injured, Crawford has had to play out of position more often than not. He'll look better when he's able to do what he was brought in to do and not have to focus on running an offense that he's new to.

Green has brought me much sadness so far. That is all.

Barnes has played well and I will bring myself to cheer for him, but it feels kind of forced because I disliked him quite a bit when he was on the Lakers. It will take a while for me to fully embrace him
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Re: Preseason Game 2: Clippers vs Heat in Beijing, China 

Post#62 » by og15 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:04 am

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og15 wrote:I wouldn't necessarily call him an "upgrade" in terms of offensive ability. They do essentially the same thing, except career wise, Crawford has an insignificantly higher scoring rate (17.3 pts/36 to 16.4 pts/36), and Mo an insignificantly higher scoring efficiency (.538 TS% to .525 TS%).

Though Crawford is a below average defender overall, which isn't helped by his weak rebounding (Mo is a better rebounder). At SG, Crawford will do a better job than Mo, and he defends the pick and roll well, so interestingly enough, that's where the difference comes from, not their offensive ability.

Like mentioned, Mo is career wise a slightly more efficient scorer, was more efficient last season and has the better career high efficiency numbers, two in Cleveland with the understanding that is was playing off Lebron, but also had a .566 TS%, 17/3/6 season his last year in Milwaukee, and .556 TS%, 15/3/6 his first 22 games as a Clipper.

Odom playing at 90% of his career average will be an upgrade to Martin and Reggie last season, and that will be the big difference, and less so switching Mo and acquiring Crawford, that's a wash.



I disagree. Crawford has a higher top gear offensively than Mo. Also, he is much bigger and about as quick as Mo. While Crawford is not a great defender, his 5-6 height advantage allows him to guard 2s and some 3s even. If Butler, Hill, or Barnes are having a rough night, you could run Crawford out there for a time at the 3. I think Crawford has a tremendous upside if he plays at his top gear.
If by top gear you mean that he's a more explosive scorer, the only problem with that is that since they average out to similar points and efficiency production, it just means that Crawford is a lot less consistent on a night to night basis.

On the other hand, if by top gear, you mean that Crawford's best production is superior to Mo's best production, then, yes, you are correct in terms of scoring. Overall offense, depending on role, they aren't far off. Mo's top production was 18/4/4 per 36 with .436 3PT%, .588 TS% and 17.2 PER his first season in Cleveland. Crawford's was 21/3/4 with .382 3PT%, .573 TS%, and 18.4 PERthree seasons ago in Atlanta.

Crawford is better, but I think Mo is undervalued if we think the difference is drastic. Of course, I'm not going to expect Crawford to replicate his career best season. I would be content with him replicating something similar to his second year in Atlanta, or his 08-09 season. 17-19 pts/36, regular 3 Rebs and 3-4 assists, and .540 - .550 TS%.

I said stricty offensively though, so we don't disagree with the defense and length difference, though Crawford at the three is still not something we would want to happen much, he's still a skinny guy.
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Re: Preseason Game 2: Clippers vs Heat in Beijing, China 

Post#63 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:09 am

what's with all the turnovers?

it's bothersome.
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Re: Preseason Game 2: Clippers vs Heat in Beijing, China 

Post#64 » by mkwest » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:10 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:Barnes has played well and I will bring myself to cheer for him, but it feels kind of forced because I disliked him quite a bit when he was on the Lakers. It will take a while for me to fully embrace him


I know. I could not stand Barnes and that's putting it nicely. He's a jerk, but now he's our jerk. He's going to get under people's skin and it's not going to be us. He's gives us something that we've been lacking. In the event that he doesn't perform to his best, we still have 2 other small forwards that we can lean on.
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Re: Preseason Game 2: Clippers vs Heat in Beijing, China 

Post#65 » by mkwest » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:37 pm

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