What do you want from the Jazz for Bledsoe? (Merged)

[scoobs07]

^I'm leaning toward wanting to keep Bled for this season. The guy is taring it up. However, if the Clips were to be presented with a offer they can't refuse, then they will listen. Imagine how much CP's chances of staying increase of the Clips aquire a reletively young bonified three point shooter that he could kick it out to? Who is out there? Damn, when u think about it, it is kind of slim pickings as far as straight up equal value for Bled. I like Buddinger, but he is expiring and his talent is not on par with Bled. Picks would have to be thrown in on that one, it would be iffy. I could see Indy having interest in somebody like Hayword. Maybe something like this?

Clippers get: Granger (10million)

Pacers get: Hayword and Milsap (10million)

Jazz get: Bledsoe and Butler (10million)

Clips already have good corner three point shooters in Crawford, Barnes and Hill. Maybe they might be interested in adding a top of the key three point shooter like Granger? I don't know.

[og15]

Pacers wouldn't do that, and neither would the Jazz, but I get the idea.

Pacers have West and Hansborough, then Hibbert and Mahinmi, so trading for a PF isn't really helpful if he isn't a huge upgrade and if West isn't going out. They also have Paul George at SG, so trading for Hayward who is a SG makes no sense.

We all don't value Caron that much, so why would Utah? Trading Hayward who they would value as much as Bledsoe, since he's their own young guy and everyone eyes their young guy as better, AND Millsap just to get Bledsoe, and Caron who is just a guy that has a longer contract than Millsap isn't good. There's a decent gap between Millsap and Butler, Millsap is much better, and we can argue potential, but Bledsoe hasn't produced any more than Hayward in the NBA.

We would have to look to a less established team, not someone like Indiana or Utah who are trying to get to the playoffs and have good enough players at most positions, just looking to package guys for stars if possible. Someone like New Orleans, etc...

The other issue is that getting a good PG isn't too difficult these days, there are a lot around, so teams would be careful of trading assets for a PG.

[scoobs07]

^Good points. Holding on the EBled would probably be our best bet for this season. However, if we are struggling with perimeter shooting, then maybe something should be done. Remember, we still have Crawford and Billups who could play back up PG. I would think somethig like this could be a possibility:

Clippers get: Buddinger, Ridnour, Amundsen, 2013 Warriors 1st and 2013 Jazz 1st

Jazz get: Bledsoe and Butler

TWolves get: Milsap

Why for Clippers?
Buddinger- He is a bench player at this point, but he is a 40% three point shooter. Other then Billups, we don't have anybody on ou roster that hit that high of a percentage from behind the arc. I would be fine with him as our starting SF and getting 10 points in 24 minutes. Yes, he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the year, but we will be able to retain him because we freed up money by unloading Butler, plus we could let LO walk after the season. He will not be putting up superstar numbers, so I would think 5years/30million is pretty reasonable for him to stay in his native SoCal.

The draft picks are good building blocks as well.

Ridnour gets half pay of Butler

Amended is filer

[madmaxmedia]

^I'm leaning toward wanting to keep Bled for this season. The guy is taring it up. However, if the Clips were to be presented with a offer they can't refuse, then they will listen. Imagine how much CP's chances of staying increase of the Clips aquire a reletively young bonified three point shooter that he could kick it out to? Who is out there? Damn, when u think about it, it is kind of slim pickings as far as straight up equal value for Bled.

This is a very good point indeed, and would be the 1 positive of trading him now vs. waiting for CP3 to hopefully re-sign.

Not that I know who we would trade for. But if Bledsoe has high value right now as an up-and-comer, a bonafide shooter/scorer could have more impact on this year's team than our backup PG.

[scoobs07]

I would trade Bledsoe for Kanter.

Why for the Clippers?
1. Kanter gives us a back up PF/C with a good offensive game, which will compliment the flat offensive game (in terms of shooting and finesse post play) of Blake and DJ. This would also light a even bigger fire under DJ, who is already highly motivated to improve in that regard. So, PF/C would be a great trio of bruit strength, athleticism and skill.

2. It would sting really bad to loose Bledsoe, but Crawford could slide over to back up PG, which would also open up more minutes for Barnes at back SF/SG. So, we loose a great defensive player in Bled, but we replace his minutes with a very good defensive player in Barnes. Plus, Billups is on his way back and the coach seems to like Willie Green as well, so this kind of frees up a log jam.

Why for Utah?

1. Well they obviously need a PG and Bledsoe is a starting caliber NBA PG. If anything, Bled will be a perennial DPOY candidate and get at lease 2.5spg every year. Given starters minutes, Bledsoe could put up like 20ppg,8apg,6rpg and 2.5spg with the Jazz. This is the guy that will be a franchise cornerstone to go along with Favors, Hayword and Burks.

2. The Jazz will have two first round picks in the draft, which could likely be lottery picks. The draft will be a very PF/C heavy draft and a weak PG draft, so this would be very good for thought on their part. The loss of Kanter wouldn't really matter because they already have Jefferson/Milsap/Favors/Evans in the short term and they will have those draft picks waiting for them in the long term.

-It would be quite a gamble on the Clippers part to deal Bledsoe before CP is signed to a extension, but I think Sacks would realize how much happier CP would be with a reliable post up big that he could pass it to. I haven't looked at Kanter's stats, but he seems to be a good FT shooter as well.

[scoobs07]

How about you just simply absorb Bledsoe with your trade exception from Mehmet Okur and send us both of your first round picks next season? Give Bledsoe starters minutes and he will get you 20ppg,8apg,6rpg and 2.5spg! As you have seen, the kid is that good. Unfortunatly he is stuck behind CP for only 14mpg and he will be a free agent in 2 years, so it's really not a good opportunity for him here, in terms of playing time. In a effort to appease the "casual" Clipper fan that don't look at the big picture, the Clipps would open up money to sign two free agents. I would target Pietrus, to compensate for the loss of Bledsoe's freakish athleticism and defensive prowess. I would also sign Courtney Fortson to give the Clips that speed demon pace changer off the bench to try and replace Bledsoe.

[og15]

Pietrus and Fortson are just not players one looks at to replace an important player. When making trades, you also have to think of player perception. How will Paul, Blake, etc view it if Bledsoe is traded for a trade exception and some picks?

Also, Bledsoe is not a 20/6/8/2.5 guy as a starter, I think you are getting a little carried away right now, but if that was his projection, he would net much better than an exception and picks. Even in the playoffs when he was playing very well, he was 16.6 ppg / 5.0 rpg / 4.4 apg / 2.5 spg for every 36 minutes he was on the floor, but the .621 TS% is not realistic for him over a whole season. Bledsoe is not a PG in the mold of a Chris Paul, he isn't currently a guy that would average 7+ APG, at his current pace, he's more of a 6 apg range guy. If he's to start, he'd probably give 13-15 pts/ 5 rebs/ 6 assists / 2 steals at this stage with pestering defense though sometimes gambling too much.

About Kanter, CP3 already has Griffin as a post big who can pass it. Kanter would do nothing to make him happy, especially if it means trading Bledsoe who he really likes. It would be a negative in terms of making him happy. Kanter currently has a career average of 0.1 assists per game. He had 8 assists in 66 games last season, and averages 0.3 assists / 36 minutes, he does not pass the ball. After his great pre-season play, he's been foul and turnover prone along with shooting a low percentage in the 4 games so far. He's a career 65.4% FT shooter.

[og15]

If you look around the rosters in the league, PG's aren't scarce, and the teams who might need a PG also have some young guy they want to test out:
Atlanta: Jeff Teague
Boston: Rajon Rondo
Brooklyn: Deron Williams
Charlotte: Kemba Walker and Ramon Sessions
Chicago: Derrick Rose
Cleveland: Kyrie Irving
Dallas: Darren Collison
Denver: Ty Lawson / Andre Miller
Detroit: Brandon Knight
Golden State: Stephen Curry / Jarrett Jack
Houston: Jeremy Lin
Indiana: George Hill / D.J. Augustin
LA Lakers: Steve Nash
Memphis: Mike Conley
Miami: Lebron James / Wade are basically their PG's, want shooters there
Milwaukee: Brandon Jennings
Minnesota: Ricky Rubio
New Orleans: Greivis Vasquez
New York: Raymond Felton / Jason Kidd / Pablo Prigioni
OKC: Russell Wesbrook
Orlando: Jameer Nelson / E'Twaun Moore
Philadelphia: Jrue Holiday
Phoenix: Goran Dragic
Portland: Damien Lillard
Sacramento: Isaiah Thomas / Aaron Brooks
San Antonio: Tony Parker
Toronto: Kyle Lowry
Utah: Mo Williams
Washington: John Wall

There was more of an opportunity last season before teams drafted PG's, signed guys they wanted to check out, or made trades. Eg; Portland needed a PG, but are now set. Dallas needed a PG, but Collison is doing some good work there so far, and they still have combo guard Beaubois. Until some young guys prove to not be good enough, there are at best maybe 3 options for teams that Bledsoe could be traded to and possibly have a future starting role, and Utah is the only one that doesn't have a PG signed into the future.

Orlando, Moore has been playing good so far (14/4/4.5) with high percentage shooting which will go down, but he was a 37.8% 3PT shooter last season, so he can shoot, and they signed Nelson for another three seasons.

New Orleans has Vasquez who is mediocre as a shooter / scorer, but he's averaging 13/4.7/9.7. Last season he put up 7.6 assists / 36 minutes for them. With his short comings, those are still pretty good numbers, do they really want to trade for anything other than a definitively better player? They also have Eric Gordon and Austin Rivers on the team, so they aren't really looking to add guards.

Utah, Mo Williams at the moment seems like a stop gap option. So this is basically the only team that is currently possibly looking for a future starting PG, though for this season they are good. Mo as a starter will spread the floor and give at least 16-18 ppg / 6-7 apg.

A team could think of trading for him to use in a two small guard lineup, but the value there is much less as the Clippers can just do the same thing. The point is that with limited options, the best option is to keep Bledsoe, that not only helps with continuity and camaraderie, it probably is the best option in terms of getting the best talent at the moment. If no other team gives Bledsoe a crazy contract, he can be resigned for about $5-6 million / year. Groom him to play in the back court next to Paul with Crawford being their main backup. In the future, you add a second round, or veteran PG that can sit on the bench as insurance (sort of like what Anthony Carter does) and you are good. If that can't work, or you don't see that as an option, then of course you trade him.

[UConn celt]

The Celtics would certainly be interested in being the 3rd team in this deal, though i don't know how much we have to offer. What about Courtney Lee? Pretty good shooter and defender and a good athlete. His contract's not great but what about a deal like this?

Utah trades Millsap, GSW 1st rd pick
receives: Bledsoe, Butler

LAC trades Bledsoe, Butler
receives Lee, Sullinger, celtics 1st rd pick, GSW pick

BOS trades Lee, Sullinger, 1st rd pick
receives: Millsap

Utah gets its PG of the future, and although they take on Butler's contract, he could be a decent trade chip next season as he'll be in the last year of his deal. Clippers get another good shooter on the wing, a big man prospect to put behind Blake, and you'd have 3 first round picks to work with, plus you save some $ by getting rid of Butler. Celtics shore up their main weakness; size and rebounding.

[Neddy]

^your proposal strengthens our strength and weakens what we are already missing. we have a guy named griffin, we don't need another short-ish PF who can't backup C and add a shooting guard when we have chauncey-crossover-willie there already. if bledsoe and caron are gone, we are left with no point guard and only barnes as a healthy SF. finally, neither picks will land anything in top 12 either, so no.

don't look for us to dump bledsoe this season. we will hold on to him until CP3 signs the dotted line.

[Angel strike1]

just keep him. cp3 doesnt need to play to many minutes

and none is going to give you gsw 1st round pick and then something. bled is underrated