What's with all the Bledsoe trade packages?

[Verballer]

I think he is an amazing player and a perfect backup PG for Chris Paul because he brings in energy off the bench which is what our bench is,a massive energy boost.
I'd rather we trade Butler for a good athletic SF who is deadly from 3pt range,then trade bledsoe for a pick.
The only reason the guy isn't a starter is because he's backup to THE BEST PG in the nba.
Giving up our potential future for a gamble on a college player is dumb.He also seems like the type of guy who really helps our chemistry,which is probably one of the best things about the team.
I do want to give CP3 more minutes seeing as how 33 MPG should be for a player like Conley and not Paul,and I want a decent pick as much as the next guy,but not for Bledsoe.Maybe the key to getting Paul more minutes is getting Bledsoe in at SG and Crawford as a scoring sparkplug
We essentially have a core of Paul,Griffin and maybe Jordan,everybody else is expendable now,so why not add Bledsoe to that core of the future?Why not go all in and make him our SG of the future alongside CP3,he was never good at playmaking anyway,why not trade butler for a backup SG and a pick?
Maybe to Detroit who seem to want lots of Cap space for a good deal.Butler and Hill for a pick and maybe Knight and a couple of fillers?Maybe just trade Butler and get immediate relief from his contract,then go and pick up a decent free agent SF and SG?

Paul
Bledsoe
FA
Griffin
Jordan

Really doesn't look bad now does it?
Bledsoe will only get better around Paul and will be playing much better when you have CP3 setting up good chances for you on offence in addition to removing the playmaking which he isn't quite good at to being an athletic SG who can shoot well provided he works well on that this summer.
He and Crawford can share minutes when Bledsoe is on a cold streak and/or tired

Guys I might sound stupid so forgive me because I've only been watching basketball for about a year now

[TheNewEra]

Size and shooting may be a issue going forward. With Crawford behind him it may help to cover we just don't know Bledsoe seems to want the chance to run his own team.

[Verballer]

Size and shooting may be a issue going forward. With Crawford behind him it may help to cover we just don't know Bledsoe seems to want the chance to run his own team.

He is an amazing defender and can even disturb the tallest of SG (besides maybe Paul George),and as I said the guy averages 5.4 apg per 36.He is a good playmaker for a SG not a PG.
He has all the attributes of a SG besides height,but he is good enough to stop other SG.
He shoots a higher % than billups from 3 this season which is another great thing for a SG.
He could average 20 with CP3 feeding him the ball and with him playing more minutes.
People often disregard the fact that Bledsoe rarely plays with Paul on the court.
If somebody could find Bledsoes per 36 stats with and without Paul that would prove more,I would but I'm atrocious at this stuff

[og15]

He wouldn't average 20 unless he improves as a player. He can't hit shots off the dribble or pulling up, he's a set shooter and he can if iso at the basket. Paul setting him up isn't magic, it won't make him more of a scorer than he is.

He could play SG, we've all mentioned it, but the team doesn't seem to want to go in that direction

[Verballer]

He wouldn't average 20 unless he improves as a player. He can't hit shots off the dribble or pulling up, he's a set shooter and he can if iso at the basket. Paul setting him up isn't magic, it won't make him more of a scorer than he is.

He could play SG, we've all mentioned it, but the team doesn't seem to want to go in that direction

I ain't saying Paul is magic,but a drive and kick to Bledsoe would draw Bledsoes defender in EVERY SINGLE TIME!
Bled getting a starting spot would almost guarantee him working hard on his jumper this summer.
He has the stamina to play 36 and him starting would get Paul 36 as well,not to mention guarding the SG and focusing more on him would even get Paul more open looks.
So why wouldn't you want that?

[og15]

He wouldn't average 20 unless he improves as a player. He can't hit shots off the dribble or pulling up, he's a set shooter and he can if iso at the basket. Paul setting him up isn't magic, it won't make him more of a scorer than he is.

He could play SG, we've all mentioned it, but the team doesn't seem to want to go in that direction

I ain't saying Paul is magic,but a drive and kick to Bledsoe would draw Bledsoes defender in EVERY SINGLE TIME!
Bled getting a starting spot would almost guarantee him working hard on his jumper this summer.
He has the stamina to play 36 and him starting would get Paul 36 as well,not to mention guarding the SG and focusing more on him would even get Paul more open looks.
So why wouldn't you want that?

Him working hard on his jumper will mean he gets better, but current Bledsoe won't get an increase in scoring rate just because he's playing with Paul. You said he would be a 20 PPG scorer. Bledsoe currently scores ~15 pts/36, to go up 5 pts/36 in scoring rate is a big jump and can't be due to just playing next to someone else.

If he becomes a better / higher volume spot up shooter, teams will stick on him close in spot up situations. Right now, he's left pretty open as a spot up shooter because the volume is low even though he hits a decent percentage, which of course helps.

Either way, many of us want the Paul/Bledsoe starting lineup, but we'll see

[Neddy]

you guys are missing the point.

CP3's extension will put 18 to 20 mil per year, this year he is paid 17.7
griffin's due 16.5 next year.
DJ is due around 11.

right there with 3 players alone we are committed 46 or more.

jamal is 5.2 and if we stay with caron that's another 8. that pushes the total close to 60 million already with 5 players on the roster.

willie green, if team option picked up (and it should) he is owed measly 1.4, even though grant hill said he would retire, if changes his mind, is owed guaranteed 2 mil. so 7 players on the roster with 63.5 or so.

i am not very fond of what lamar has done for us, but at least he can rebound and he does not have a competing team as he burned the fakers bridge and does not wish to leave LA, i am sure we can low ball him and we did trade for him for his bird rights, but hard to imagine getting a pay cut from 8 mi to league minimum, so let's say 2.5 mil at the least, so with lam lam on board, the total is 66 mil with 8 players on the roster.

then there will be a need to sign a rookie, and at least 4 other players making minimum to get to 13 men active roster. this is all without even accounting for a possible return of the big shot, and if i have learned anything for being a clipper fan for now 3rd decade since manning/harper days, DTS will never, and i mean ever, go above the luxury tax threshold. the man just does not pay a dime he doesn't have to.

what I am getting at, is that we can't afford to resign bledsoe and his deal expires at the end of next season. the time to get the most out of his trade value is now, this off season. bledsoe will be offered a deal from elsewhere we can't afford to match.

only two ways i see we keep bledsoe,
one, CP3 does not resign and we have a gaping hole at PG position with 18 mil or so of capspace, which none of us wish for, or
two, gary sacks can hit a home run and say we trade DJ+Caron for ariza and okafor's expirings with wizard and we either lowball them for extension or let them go after next season when bledsoe is a RFA and we match other offers. this will create room, but we could be in need of filling two giant holes in the starting 5 after 2014 season.
this however, will be hard to do, as i see very few if any GMs around the league who thinks DJ is worth 22 million for the next 2 years. wizard do actually want to bring caron back, but DJ? maybe GS at one point but now they have their 14 million a year center from Australia to worry about next to another monstrous deal of david lee.

[og15]

The year Bledsoe will be re-signed:

Caron: -$8M

Blake - $17.4M
Paul - $20M
Jordan - $11.4M
Crawford - $5.5M
Total: ~54.3M

Bledsoe: 4 years/$32M lets say evenly spread to make it easy is $8M/year which would put the Clippers at $62.3M. The numbers aren't as tight as you think they are. Remember that this season, Odom and Caron are making a combined $16.2M. Adding Paul's extra $3M and Blake's extra $9M, that still leaves $4M less than this seasons total team salary.

We'll re-sign Odom, Barnes and Billups just to make it easy

Add:
25th pick rookie 2nd year - $966,700
20th range pick rookie 1st year - ~$1M
Barnes - $2M
Odom - vet minimum
Billups - $3M

10 players, $70.3M

You can add a few minimum players to fill out the roster, or if a second round pick is kept.

The next season DJ expires and he won't be re-signed for as much unless he's drastically improved his overall game.

[Verballer]

Quick question
How much do you guys value DJ on this team?
I'm still new in terms of how much good players are paid,but doesn't 11 million for Jordan sound too high?
Also we need to think about Turiaf and how old he is,along with LO and even Willie.While we do have a youthful starting lineup our bench is pretty old (old enough to put our average age right up there with Boston and New York),and I think that barr Barnes and JC we should do what the Bulls did and sign a new bench every year basically.Maybe we can shed (or gain) a couple million like that and then we can see what Bledsoe is offered in free agency and match it.And joust so you guys now,I'm european and I can't reply to you.7 o'clock ET is 1 AM here

[Neddy]

The year Bledsoe will be re-signed:

Caron: -$8M

Blake - $17.4M
Paul - $20M
Jordan - $11.4M
Crawford - $5.5M
Total: ~54.3M

Bledsoe: 4 years/$32M lets say evenly spread to make it easy is $8M/year which would put the Clippers at $62.3M. The numbers aren't as tight as you think they are. Remember that this season, Odom and Caron are making a combined $16.2M. Adding Paul's extra $3M and Blake's extra $9M, that still leaves $4M less than this seasons total team salary.

We'll re-sign Odom, Barnes and Billups just to make it easy

Add:
25th pick rookie 2nd year - $966,700
20th range pick rookie 1st year - ~$1M
Barnes - $2M
Odom - vet minimum
Billups - $3M

10 players, $70.3M

You can add a few minimum players to fill out the roster, or if a second round pick is kept.

The next season DJ expires and he won't be re-signed for as much unless he's drastically improved his overall game.

there is absolutely no guarantee that odom will accept the league minimum, or barnes will turn down better offers and take 2 million deal from us. someone could offer barnes far more than 2 mil after the kind of season he just had. odom may not have much leverage, but can't count out the flakers offering him a part of MLE.

even if those assumptions become reality, that is only 10 players and we are at 70.3. just to fill up the roster with league minimum after that, unless NBA's salary cap and lux tax threshold increases from what it is right now, we would still be over the luxury tax. i don't see DTS agreeing to that one bit.

the bottom line is, we matched GS' offer to DJ for the sake of keeping blake happy. now he is signed on for the long term, we should seriously consider moving DJ. i understand that advanced stats on DJ is not bad, his PER this year is around 17+ but he is inconsistent and prone to disappear when it counts the most. breaking up the DJ+blake combo may allow blake to grow up faster as a player as well.

[Neddy]

Quick question
How much do you guys value DJ on this team?
I'm still new in terms of how much good players are paid,but doesn't 11 million for Jordan sound too high?
Also we need to think about Turiaf and how old he is,along with LO and even Willie.While we do have a youthful starting lineup our bench is pretty old (old enough to put our average age right up there with Boston and New York),and I think that barr Barnes and JC we should do what the Bulls did and sign a new bench every year basically.Maybe we can shed (or gain) a couple million like that and then we can see what Bledsoe is offered in free agency and match it.And joust so you guys now,I'm european and I can't reply to you.7 o'clock ET is 1 AM here

of course it is too high. DJ's true value is maybe 70% of his salary at best.

willie green has 2 year team option left that does't even add up to 3 million total, and he is worth every dime. you can't replace his veteran presence and shooting ability with that kind of cash in NBA. he doesn't complain when he is not playing a minute for a long stretch after starting for a month or two, vast majority of NBA players will cause harm in the locker room in willie's situation.

a player like turiaf who makes a vet's minimum still needs to be replaced with another player who at least will be making the same, so there is absolutely no gain in salary cap. although as a vet he may be taking home 1.2 mil, only around 800,000 is counted against the cap. a lateral move does nothing for us. if you are suggesting we should replace him due to his flaws, i can understand that.

we traded for odom for his bird right, i highly doubt we will offer him the league minimum to piss him off no matter how much leverage we have against him for wanting to stay in LA.

[Verballer]

Quick question
How much do you guys value DJ on this team?
I'm still new in terms of how much good players are paid,but doesn't 11 million for Jordan sound too high?
Also we need to think about Turiaf and how old he is,along with LO and even Willie.While we do have a youthful starting lineup our bench is pretty old (old enough to put our average age right up there with Boston and New York),and I think that barr Barnes and JC we should do what the Bulls did and sign a new bench every year basically.Maybe we can shed (or gain) a couple million like that and then we can see what Bledsoe is offered in free agency and match it.And joust so you guys now,I'm european and I can't reply to you.7 o'clock ET is 1 AM here

of course it is too high. DJ's true value is maybe 70% of his salary at best.

willie green has 2 year team option left that does't even add up to 3 million total, and he is worth every dime. you can't replace his veteran presence and shooting ability with that kind of cash in NBA. he doesn't complain when he is not playing a minute for a long stretch after starting for a month or two, vast majority of NBA players will cause harm in the locker room in willie's situation.

a player like turiaf who makes a vet's minimum still needs to be replaced with another player who at least will be making the same, so there is absolutely no gain in salary cap. although as a vet he may be taking home 1.2 mil, only around 800,000 is counted against the cap. a lateral move does nothing for us. if you are suggesting we should replace him due to his flaws, i can understand that.

we traded for odom for his bird right, i highly doubt we will offer him the league minimum to piss him off no matter how much leverage we have against him for wanting to stay in LA.

So there is no way to keep Bledsoe.
So what DO we do then?
Our wing positions are pretty much gone by 2014

[og15]

The year Bledsoe will be re-signed:

Caron: -$8M

Blake - $17.4M
Paul - $20M
Jordan - $11.4M
Crawford - $5.5M
Total: ~54.3M

Bledsoe: 4 years/$32M lets say evenly spread to make it easy is $8M/year which would put the Clippers at $62.3M. The numbers aren't as tight as you think they are. Remember that this season, Odom and Caron are making a combined $16.2M. Adding Paul's extra $3M and Blake's extra $9M, that still leaves $4M less than this seasons total team salary.

We'll re-sign Odom, Barnes and Billups just to make it easy

Add:
25th pick rookie 2nd year - $966,700
20th range pick rookie 1st year - ~$1M
Barnes - $2M
Odom - vet minimum
Billups - $3M

10 players, $70.3M

You can add a few minimum players to fill out the roster, or if a second round pick is kept.

The next season DJ expires and he won't be re-signed for as much unless he's drastically improved his overall game.

there is absolutely no guarantee that odom will accept the league minimum, or barnes will turn down better offers and take 2 million deal from us. someone could offer barnes far more than 2 mil after the kind of season he just had. odom may not have much leverage, but can't count out the flakers offering him a part of MLE.

even if those assumptions become reality, that is only 10 players and we are at 70.3. just to fill up the roster with league minimum after that, unless NBA's salary cap and lux tax threshold increases from what it is right now, we would still be over the luxury tax. i don't see DTS agreeing to that one bit.

the bottom line is, we matched GS' offer to DJ for the sake of keeping blake happy. now he is signed on for the long term, we should seriously consider moving DJ. i understand that advanced stats on DJ is not bad, his PER this year is around 17+ but he is inconsistent and prone to disappear when it counts the most. breaking up the DJ+blake combo may allow blake to grow up faster as a player as well.

I don't disagree. Odom has few options, like you said, he wants to be in LA, and the Lakers aren't offering him much more in terms of minutes and salary. He's still poor on offense. Matt is good, but he's 32, and after a nice season in Phoenix at 28/29 he got $1.6M, the market just hasn't been friendly to him. His biggest contract was $3M from Phoenix after two decent seasons in Golden State.

I was just making things simple, but no one would pay Billups 3M after signing Bledsoe to $8M/year. Because DJ expires the next season, if you set up Bledsoe's contract with annual increases, the first season salary would be about $7M on 7.5% raises.

I value Bledsoe over DJ, I would move DJ, but that won't be easy, I'd rather pay a guy like Dalembert about $6M / year than pay DJ. Dalembert can do everything he does plus hit mid-range jumpers and FT's. DJ just doesn't match up contract with production because he can't stay on the floor enough.

Let me be more precise:

Paul - $20M
Blake - $17.4'M
Jordan - $11.4M
Bledsoe - $7M
Crawford - $5M
Green - $1.4M
25th pick 2nd year - $1M
25th+ pick, 1st year - $958K
Total: $64.2M - 8 players

4-5 players with about $6.1M. This years luxury tax - $70.3M, maybe it's up $1M or $2M by then, who knows, maybe not, we'll go with the lowest number, this years.

Matt Barnes - $2M (I think he will actually make less)
Other big? - $1M, you drafted a wing
Odom - $2
2nd round pick - $700K (made this salary up, it's cheap)

Total: $69.9M - 12 players

If you're investing in Bledsoe, and if we're talking after next season, bringing Billups back makes no sense, so I shouldn't have put that. Now, the issue here is that you are counting on internal improvement and good drafting to get better, not free agency. Trading DJ obviously is the best case scenario, but who knows.

[mttwlsn16]

Quick question
How much do you guys value DJ on this team?
I'm still new in terms of how much good players are paid,but doesn't 11 million for Jordan sound too high?
Also we need to think about Turiaf and how old he is,along with LO and even Willie.While we do have a youthful starting lineup our bench is pretty old (old enough to put our average age right up there with Boston and New York),and I think that barr Barnes and JC we should do what the Bulls did and sign a new bench every year basically.Maybe we can shed (or gain) a couple million like that and then we can see what Bledsoe is offered in free agency and match it.And joust so you guys now,I'm european and I can't reply to you.7 o'clock ET is 1 AM here

of course it is too high. DJ's true value is maybe 70% of his salary at best.

willie green has 2 year team option left that does't even add up to 3 million total, and he is worth every dime. you can't replace his veteran presence and shooting ability with that kind of cash in NBA. he doesn't complain when he is not playing a minute for a long stretch after starting for a month or two, vast majority of NBA players will cause harm in the locker room in willie's situation.

a player like turiaf who makes a vet's minimum still needs to be replaced with another player who at least will be making the same, so there is absolutely no gain in salary cap. although as a vet he may be taking home 1.2 mil, only around 800,000 is counted against the cap. a lateral move does nothing for us. if you are suggesting we should replace him due to his flaws, i can understand that.

we traded for odom for his bird right, i highly doubt we will offer him the league minimum to piss him off no matter how much leverage we have against him for wanting to stay in LA.

So there is no way to keep Bledsoe.
So what DO we do then?
Our wing positions are pretty much gone by 2014

You trade him and et return for him. No way we will be able to match an offer sheet he receives. Cp will be back, Jamal will still be here. Even after 2014. And someone else will be brought in at a couple guard spots as well

[og15]

If you trade Bledsoe you have to trade Jordan because you'll just end up in the same boat except that since you're not re-signing your own player, you can't go over the cap to add players, and the team will be limited to exceptions. So unless he's being traded for a highly talented high draft pick, the team probably isn't getting better. And many of the teams with high draft picks either don't need a point or are flexible enough cap wise to just wait till he's a FA and give him an offer that the Clippers wouldn't want to match.

[Angel strike1]

Few things. I love bled. He rocks and wish we tryed him more at sg.

Problem one:
He is going to make a lot money . Losing dj or butter to get cap give us more need.

Also remember this team isn't title team yet.
We need to improve not get worse.
We need 1-2more shooter.

Problem 2:
Even if undersized sg bled does t get torched on defense he isn't a good jump shooter.
U can lose the size or shooting not both.


We need lengthy sf that can d. Kinda like tonny Allen type. And no ariza suxs.
We need bit more shooting.
We need dj to improve on fts. A coach that uses him more.

Oh we need a coach