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Mini Melo-Drama 

Post#21 » by Ranma » Sun Jan 5, 2014 8:41 am

Lindecision wrote:Yeh, that's the point. We simply will not move any of our core to do this deal.

If the Knicks don't want 4 (or more) 1st rounders then Melo will sign for a team with cap room and leave for nothing. The Knicks will have next to zero leverage come summer time.


I obviously agree with your first point, but while the Knicks look to have little-to-no leverage in this situation, Carmelo Anthony has shown in the past that he is quite reluctant about leaving money on the table. If the Knicks don't trade him by the deadline this season, he would lose out on tens of millions of dollars his Bird rights would otherwise afford him by re-signing if he were indeed to leave New York on top of the marketing opportunities (and dollars) represented by the Big Apple.

Given that, he'd likely only consider Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, and Brooklyn as destinations. Almost none of the teams in those locations even have the space to sign him outright, so a trade would have to be figured out.

Melo would obviously have the Clippers at the top of the list since he is close to Chris Paul and friendly with Blake Griffin and we'd represent the best situation for success both on and off the court. However, such a scenario would involve giving up an unsavory package of DJ, Crawford, Dudley, and filler (Green, Mullens, Wayns, etc.). Even though that package does not include CP3, BG, or JJ, it would still be an unappealing circumstance from a balance, depth, and luxury tax standpoint, plus, the Knicks have higher,albeit unrealistic, aspirations for a return package.

Chicago could be a viable option since the Bulls supposedly want to deal Deng rather than commit to his asking price, but the Windy City is not as appealing as either L.A. or N.Y. from a location and marketing perspective even though it is a major media market.

The Heat would have to deal Bosh for Anthony, but I don't see that as being likely although I do consider it plausible. Likewise, the Nets would have to give up Deron Williams in order to get Melo and I don't see that happening.

The real threat are the darkhorse Lakers if they do follow through on the Bynum-for-Gasol deal. Such a deal would save them about $20 million and get them out of repeater-luxury-tax territory this season, so they can make a play for him as an unrestricted free agent this off-season. He'd still leave the significant Bird Rights money on the table by departing from the Knicks, but the Lakers do offer a better competitive situation and possibly an even more appealing marketing situation given his wife's career aspirations. It'd get him closer to his good buddy, Paul...but only as far as across the hall.

Then again, maybe he could leverage the Lakers as a threat to work out a sign-and-trade with the Clippers, but the Knicks could always call his bluff, again, given his known affinity for scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of money-making opportunities. But it would be kind of poetic justice for Melo to use the Lakers in getting his way to the Clips after the infamous story about Kobe's close signing with the Clippers before Jerry Buss caved into his contract and trade (of Shaq) demands.
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Re: The only Melo trade that makes sense for the Clips 

Post#22 » by Neddy » Sun Jan 5, 2014 10:07 am

Lindecision wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:I'll take on Melo if i means we don't move CP, JJ, Blake and DJ.

i like adding him to our team.
i do not like moving any of our core for him.


Yeh, that's the point. We simply will not move any of our core to do this deal.

If the Knicks don't want 4 (or more) 1st rounders then Melo will sign for a team with cap room and leave for nothing. The Knicks will have next to zero leverage come summer time.



and leave money on the table? that's not Melo's nature. this is the same guy who could have signed with the Knicks for a max deal as a free agent but forced NY to gut the team in mid season for little extra cash he got in a sign and trade. He won't leave NY as a free agent. he wants another max extension and force a trade. the Knicks have all the leverage. they are the only team who can offer more than other team's max deal through FA.



edit - should have read ranma's post first. captain redundancy struck once again... :oops:
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Re: The only Melo trade that makes sense for the Clips 

Post#23 » by Neddy » Sun Jan 5, 2014 10:52 am

also, ranma's proposal of the possibilities of Melo playing with Kobe... lol we'll see two guys on the same team jacking up 60 shots a night.
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Having his cake and eating it too. 

Post#24 » by Ranma » Sun Jan 5, 2014 6:34 pm

Neddy wrote:and leave money on the table? that's not Melo's nature. this is the same guy who could have signed with the Knicks for a max deal as a free agent but forced NY to gut the team in mid season for little extra cash he got in a sign and trade. He won't leave NY as a free agent. he wants another max extension and force a trade. the Knicks have all the leverage. they are the only team who can offer more than other team's max deal through FA.


This is actually an excellent point that bears repeating. Carmelo Anthony in the past has shown his priority is getting as much money as possible over winning. Sure he'd like to win as well, which is the whole reason he's whining in New York, but when push has come to shove, he has always chosen the sure green over the chance at a ring.

Kobe nixed a deal to Chicago because he didn't want to go to a Bulls team depleted without Deng. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all took less money to get their championships in Miami. Chris Paul supposedly wanted to make sure the Clips did not give up Griffin or Jordan in their pursuit of him, which is why the inclusion of Gordon was a heart-wrenching surprise. He supposedly was also pushing for Garnett over Jordan this off-season as well as for the acquisition of Doc.

To be fair, outside of the Big 3 in Miami, the aforementioned players did end up getting the max in their contracts, but they also showed an inclination towards making winning as the priority. Carmelo has not whether it be in his manipulation of forcing a trade or even the way he plays the game.

I believe the new collective bargaining agreement even has in its latest revision that the Bird Rights to a player are not transferable after the trade deadline of the season just prior to his unrestricted free agency precisely because of what Melo pulled in N.Y. However, I'm probably mistaken and that revision was actually in response to some other instance of player leveraging.

Could Anthony actually see the light and sign for less for a chance at on-court success? Well, I guess anything is possible, but as the saying goes, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" and Melo is getting up there in years. Even if he wanted to, I don't see there being much of any opportunity for him to really choose a viable option at a ring without giving up a max deal (Bird Rights or not). Even Kobe doesn't seem like he's convinced that the Lakers will really compete moving forward hence the large amount of his recent contract re-signing and, as I previously asserted, the Lakers are the only team that even pose as a legitimate tool of leveraging for Melo to use against the Knicks.
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Re: The only Melo trade that makes sense for the Clips 

Post#25 » by azncorruptedo17 » Sun Jan 5, 2014 7:12 pm

Can we all agree that ESPN is the exactly what Anchorman 2 is about? lol

Tellin people what the want to hear, not what they need to hear. Basically.... FEED FOR THE TROLLS lol
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Someone else agrees. 

Post#26 » by Ranma » Sun Jan 5, 2014 7:58 pm

Neddy wrote:also, ranma's proposal of the possibilities of Melo playing with Kobe... lol we'll see two guys on the same team jacking up 60 shots a night.


Anthony J. Fredella, StraightHoops.com (7/10/13)

Then, the more I thought about it, the more I became convinced. Melo to the Lakers with Kobe would be a DIS-AS-TER!

In fact, I couldn't think of two other star players in the League teaming up that would be more of a mess than Kobe with Carmelo. Now, at first glance you say, "But they'd be unstoppable on offense." "They'd score at will." "No team could stop Carmelo and Kobe on the floor together, right?" Wrong. It would be a nightmare, trust me.
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If these two mega-chuckers were to join forces, one of two things would have to happen, neither of which would be very appetizing: either Carmelo or Kobe would have to take less shots per game, making whomever does that a less valuable commodity on the floor; or both would continue to take 20+ field goal attempts per game, accounting for more than 50% of the entire team's shot attempts. Not only would that cause tension and disruption in the locker room, but it just wouldn't work functionally. There would be no fluidity in the offense and sooner or later, it would come down to the two of them alternating shots down the floor. So, unless the League enacts a new rule where each team can play with two basketballs at the one time, the Kobe-Carmelo two-headed monster would be a self-destructive novelty, at best.

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Media Fallout 

Post#27 » by Ranma » Sun Jan 5, 2014 8:17 pm

azncorruptedo17 wrote:Can we all agree that ESPN is the exactly what Anchorman 2 is about? lol

Tellin people what the want to hear, not what they need to hear. Basically.... FEED FOR THE TROLLS lol


Amen and Hallelujah! With insincere apologies to Skip Bayless, not even Melo himself thinks it's smart.

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Passing off a “the Knicks have thought about offering this terrible trade, but haven’t yet” chatter as news is demeaning to the reader, and I say that as the guy that sometimes has to post about Dwight Howard dunking on a toy giraffe (it was the lockout, nothing was going on, but at least I didn’t turn one team’s talk into a fake trade rumor). Broussard wrote that the “Clippers appear to be the more apprehensive” about a potential deal involving those two, and told his readers that a “source close to the situation said the Clippers' latest internal discussion ended in favor of keeping Griffin.”

Which is weird, because he also wrote that the two teams hadn’t actually talked about such a swap. So it’s just wonderful, internet hit-creating kismet that both the Knicks and Clippers happened to be thinking about such a trade without having talked to each other, and Broussard has a source in both camps?

Doc Rivers literally laughs at the ‘stupid’ thought of dealing Blake Griffin for Carmelo Anthony (Video)


Anthony J. Fredella, StraightHoops.com (1/4/14)

The latest rumor to hit the streets has been a one-for-one trade with the Los Angeles Clippers, Melo for their star power forward Blake Griffin. The two teams have not yet spoken about this deal, but ESPN's Chris Broussard has reported that both teams have discussed the deal internally. It would make obvious sense for the Knicks, who are not winning with Melo anyway and may lose him in the offseason with nothing in return...Four guys on the court can not stand around and watch Melo do his three dribble pull up if Melo is not on the team. Other guys will have to step up and come together to make up for the 28 shots a night that would be sent to the West Coast in the trade. But that may work: remember when Melo was out a couple of years ago and the Knicks went on that big winning streak behind Jeremy "Linsanity" Lin? That happened because the Knicks were playing basketball instead of standing and watching Melo work. And that's not a knock on Melo, even though it may sound like it. The Knicks have just played differently when he's not been on the court. They move the ball around, other guys look for shots, five guys play defense. Sometimes the Knicks are actually fun to watch. But don't get too excited Knicks Nation, this deal is not going to happen.

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Skip Bayless' Nickname 

Post#28 » by Ranma » Mon Jan 6, 2014 5:18 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:Why are there so-called "experts" out there that actually think the Clips should make this trade? What is wrong with them? Very low IQ if you ask me.


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Re: The only Melo trade that makes sense for the Clips 

Post#29 » by og15 » Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:20 pm

The only Melo trade that makes sense is not trading for Melo

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Lowe Down on Melo Situation in NY 

Post#30 » by Ranma » Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:28 pm

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Re: Mini Melo-Drama 

Post#31 » by Lindecision » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:37 am

Ranma wrote:
Lindecision wrote:Yeh, that's the point. We simply will not move any of our core to do this deal.

If the Knicks don't want 4 (or more) 1st rounders then Melo will sign for a team with cap room and leave for nothing. The Knicks will have next to zero leverage come summer time.


Melo would obviously have the Clippers at the top of the list since he is close to Chris Paul and friendly with Blake Griffin and we'd represent the best situation for success both on and off the court. However, such a scenario would involve giving up an unsavory package of DJ, Crawford, Dudley, and filler (Green, Mullens, Wayns, etc.). Even though that package does not include CP3, BG, or JJ, it would still be an unappealing circumstance from a balance, depth, and luxury tax standpoint, plus, the Knicks have higher,albeit unrealistic, aspirations for a return package.


Strongly disagree. It wouldn't have to involve DJ at all. I don't even want Melo if we have to trade a core piece. The Knicks will take our collection of bench guys and 1st round picks as mentioned in the opening post, because that's the only Melo trade that could feasibly happen from a Clips point of view. It makes absolutely no sense from a Clips point of view to give up any core piece when we are already this good, and on an upward trajectory. Especially DJ, considering he is our only notable defensive player, we'd have to find a replacement straight away.

In short, the Knicks should try and find a better deal elsewhere, but if they don't accommodate Melo he will leave money on the table. Or worse, sign the max deal and ask for a trade this time next year.
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Stay Classy! 

Post#32 » by Ranma » Wed Jan 8, 2014 7:23 am

azncorruptedo17 wrote:Can we all agree that ESPN is the exactly what Anchorman 2 is about? lol

Tellin people what the want to hear, not what they need to hear. Basically.... FEED FOR THE TROLLS lol


It's kind of like having six members in the AnchorMavs' starting five. :wink:

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