NBA D League Trying Out New Flopping Penalties

[mttwlsn16]

NEW YORK, Feb. 19, 2014 -- The NBA Development League will begin assessing technical fouls for in-game flopping, league President Dan Reed announced today. The technical foul penalty for flopping will begin to be implemented in games played on Thursday, Feb. 20, and will continue through the completion of the 2013-14 NBA D-League season.

Application of the new experimental flopping rule will involve NBA D-League officials assessing technical fouls to any player who, in their judgment, has flopped. Officials will be required to confirm all flopping calls on instant replay monitors. The instant replay review will be conducted at the first timeout or quarter break following the flop call, and if confirmed, the technical foul will be assessed at that time. Any flopping calls made in the game’s last two minutes will be reviewed and assessed immediately.

“There isn’t a better place to experiment with NBA rules than in the NBA D-League, and we are pleased to test this experimental rule that, for the first time, creates an in-game penalty for flopping,” said Reed. “The NBA D-League is the research and development laboratory for the NBA and both leagues are always evaluating ways to further the game.”

Flopping is defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referee to call a foul on another player. Such determinations are made if a player’s physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

The flopping penalty joins a number of basketball rules being tested in the NBA D-League this season, including the use of the international goaltending rule and shortened timeouts. The 50-game NBA D-League regular season comes to a close on Saturday, April 5.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/nba_dle ... 02_19.html



interesting imo. will be interesting to see how this play out. if it is done correctly, i would like to see the NBA implement something like this. i hate flopping no matter who it is. to me, its not strategy, its cheap and hurts the game.

[Ranma]

interesting imo. will be interesting to see how this play out. if it is done correctly, i would like to see the NBA implement something like this. i hate flopping no matter who it is. to me, its not strategy, its cheap and hurts the game.

+1. Totally agree, however, given what I've seen of NBA referees, I have little to no faith that they're capable of identifying, nevermind enforcing, the majority of such infractions.

[Quake Griffin]

We over blow our hate for flopping. The hate around it is circular - we are annoyed by it because...well dammit, we're annoyed by it.

I'm 25...I've watched 18 NBA Champions be crowned...about 10-13 closely watching hoop and given how much credence you can give to a very interested 11-13 year old.
I have NEVER in these 18 years of watching hoop felt like flopping has won somebody a championship, a playoff series...hell, until Harden the other day, I can't say I remember it winning someone a game (ill take links and examples from anybody on this).

the reality of flopping is...our anger with it is based on a fiction.
that fiction is that these players are "tricking" referees into making a call.
lettuce be reality...we can see a flop from our TV screens. Hell, I can see them at the game. You want me to believe that the job of a 6 figure referrer IS SOOOOOO difficult that they can't see one? that they always have the wrong angle?

you mean to tell me these refs dunno CP3 and Harden are going to jerk their head back dribbling off of a screen?


the problem IS and ALWAYS will be the referees.
these rules don't wont kill the behavior like refs not making the calls would.
Will the verbal "AAAAAYYYYYEEE" flop be a tech? Will selling contact (the excuse Wolves fans make for Love) that is already there count?

I've always said stuff like the swing thru foul annoys me more.
the referee isn't tricked in those cases....theyre actually FORCED to honor the contact created...the league makes a rule that says theyre no longer shooting fouls but Durant and CP use it while we're in the penalty.

[Don Tommy]

So do like hockey does in instant replay. Have the home office in NY review the plays, not the same refs that missed or blew the call in the first place. This will keep the flow of the game alive since we don't have to wait for the refs to review the play, by the time there is a break in the action the home office could have reviewed it. If it takes more than a few replays to determine if a flop has taken place, then it was a damned good flop that should be rewarded!

[Ranma]

To be fair, the vantage point of a TV audience is different than the ones afforded to NBA referees monitoring live game action while it's happening due to different camera angles. Bottom line is there is no place for flopping in sports, particularly American professional sports.

We used to laugh at the antics of European soccer players and are now supposed to emulate them? Vlade Divac is probably responsible for the proliferation of flopping in today's game, so the league should have addressed this sooner. The game is played on a field of honor where respect and sportsmanship are supposed to be exhibited. Such antics are not to be rewarded in any way.

Why not just have football players fall to the ground to draw penalties? Let's so how NFL fans would appreciate it. Or how about baseball batters fall to the ground on inside pitches to draw walks? Both the MLB and NFL have done an excellent job of preventing such shenanigans from happening in their league compared to the NBA. The league has the resources to enforce this and have been making it a priority to get it out of the game. It just needs more competent and/or less biased referees.

[Quake Griffin]

yawn on camera angles.

Im saying I can see a flop live on TV before a replay and I can see it at the games with ONE vantage point.
that's just a minor point though in the grand scheme of things. THE MAIN POINT IS the referees aren't helpless. They can see what a damn flop is.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF7Jl_v3Wbk[/youtube]
the referee who blew this call a foul on Rubio had the call right in front of him.
he wasn't tricked by Rubio...he wasn't at a disadvantage. He wasn't helpless. He's just a jackass that made a dumb call.

[Ranma]

yawn on camera angles.

Im saying I can see a flop live on TV before a replay and I can see it at the games with ONE vantage point.
that's just a minor point though in the grand scheme of things. THE MAIN POINT IS the referees aren't helpless. They can see what a damn flop is.

Then maybe you should go to referee school and fast-track yourself to the NBA. The league has clearly mandated that flopping be taken out of the game yet you believe the referees are purposely ignoring it? I'm all for calling them incompetent and biased but for someone to imply that the whole group of professional referees are making it a point to ignore a part of their job description is beyond comprehension without more convincing evidence or at least even a logical reason for it to be so.

[Quake Griffin]

yawn on camera angles.

Im saying I can see a flop live on TV before a replay and I can see it at the games with ONE vantage point.
that's just a minor point though in the grand scheme of things. THE MAIN POINT IS the referees aren't helpless. They can see what a damn flop is.

Then maybe you should go to referee school and fast-track yourself to the NBA. The league has clearly mandated that flopping be taken out of the game yet you believe the referees are purposely ignoring it? I'm all for calling them incompetent and biased but for someone to imply that the whole group of professional referees are making it a point to ignore a part of their job description is beyond comprehension without more convincing evidence or at least even a logical reason for it to be so.

no way Jose
you put the words in my mouth...not me.
I said theyre not helpless...meaning this is THEIR responsibility. That doesnt imply that they purposely ignore it even though the statement leaves that open as a possibility.

now that I answered your question.
please give me your thoughts on the referee in the CP3 video, RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAY blowing that a foul.
how helpless was he? did CP3 "fool" him?
i would seriously appreciate your thoughts and feedback on it....no green font, I'm serious.


it's time for us to stop giving refs a pass because their jobs are hard.
theyre the best referees money can buy and they make six figures.
if the league thinks you're smart enough to call techs on flops, I'm sure they think you can spot a flop.

[Ranma]

no way Jose
you put the words in my mouth...not me.
I said theyre not helpless...meaning this is THEIR responsibility. That doesnt imply that they purposely ignore it even though the statement leaves that open as a possibility.

now that I answered your question.
please give me your thoughts on the referee in the CP3 video, RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAY blowing that a foul.
how helpless was he? did CP3 "fool" him?
i would seriously appreciate your thoughts and feedback on it....no green font, I'm serious.


it's time for us to stop giving refs a pass because their jobs are hard.
theyre the best referees money can buy and they make six figures.
if the league thinks you're smart enough to call techs on flops, I'm sure they think you can spot a flop.

My sincere apologies then. It seems like we're on the same page that referees should be doing a better job of enforcing this and I have been quite critical in their performance overall, not just enforcing anti-flop rules, but officiating a game with consistency and competence without bias. Having said that, I do acknowledge the difficulties of trying to keep track of multiple things going on in a game as they are happening, especially when instantaneous judgment is required. That does not excuse at all the level of incompetence they've demonstrated thus far from what I've seen of Clipper games. I'm simply recognizing that it is a hard job albeit one that they should be trained to do properly.

[mttwlsn16]

yawn on camera angles.

Im saying I can see a flop live on TV before a replay and I can see it at the games with ONE vantage point.
that's just a minor point though in the grand scheme of things. THE MAIN POINT IS the referees aren't helpless. They can see what a damn flop is.

Then maybe you should go to referee school and fast-track yourself to the NBA. The league has clearly mandated that flopping be taken out of the game yet you believe the referees are purposely ignoring it? I'm all for calling them incompetent and biased but for someone to imply that the whole group of professional referees are making it a point to ignore a part of their job description is beyond comprehension without more convincing evidence or at least even a logical reason for it to be so.

they have "said" they want flopping called, and removed from the game. they "said" the right thing, but the league has shown absolutely zero to eliminate this from the game. a $5000 fine? that isnt ****. and how often are guys actually fined? pretty much never.
the league is all talk in regards to this, and no walk

[Neddy]

We over blow our hate for flopping. The hate around it is circular - we are annoyed by it because...well dammit, we're annoyed by it.

I'm 25...I've watched 18 NBA Champions be crowned...about 10-13 closely watching hoop and given how much credence you can give to a very interested 11-13 year old.
I have NEVER in these 18 years of watching hoop felt like flopping has won somebody a championship, a playoff series...hell, until Harden the other day, I can't say I remember it winning someone a game (ill take links and examples from anybody on this).

try the Boston Celtics of the 50's.

Frank Ramsey, who played on seven championship teams for the Boston Celtics from 1954 to 1965, wrote a cover story in Sports Illustrated in 1963 with writer Frank Deford, where he detailed his flopping technique.[4][5] Afterwards, Ramsey was reprimanded in a letter by NBA president Walter Kennedy.[5] In the 1970s, Ramsey's coach, Red Auerbach, criticized flopping in one of his "Red on Roundball" segments at halftime during NBA game telecasts.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flop_(basketball)

[Quake Griffin]

We over blow our hate for flopping. The hate around it is circular - we are annoyed by it because...well dammit, we're annoyed by it.

I'm 25...I've watched 18 NBA Champions be crowned...about 10-13 closely watching hoop and given how much credence you can give to a very interested 11-13 year old.
I have NEVER in these 18 years of watching hoop felt like flopping has won somebody a championship, a playoff series...hell, until Harden the other day, I can't say I remember it winning someone a game (ill take links and examples from anybody on this).

try the Boston Celtics of the 50's.

Frank Ramsey, who played on seven championship teams for the Boston Celtics from 1954 to 1965, wrote a cover story in Sports Illustrated in 1963 with writer Frank Deford, where he detailed his flopping technique.[4][5] Afterwards, Ramsey was reprimanded in a letter by NBA president Walter Kennedy.[5] In the 1970s, Ramsey's coach, Red Auerbach, criticized flopping in one of his "Red on Roundball" segments at halftime during NBA game telecasts.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flop_(basketball)

would you call that causal to them winning a chip?


i believe Manu is a notorious flopper.
never felt like thats why they won their 3 titles with him there.

[okpistolpete]

You know what I hate even more than flopping? Technical fouls. Basketball is the only sport where calls so subjective and hurt feelings can affect the actual score. It's ridiculous. The NBA doesn't like flopping? Hire/train better refs. If not that, then add a fourth ref...or a ref who watches video. But please: enough with giving free points to teams.

[Don Tommy]

You must not have watched a baseball game since the failed umpires strike back over a decade ago. Now, umpires want to be the star of a game and will kick a player or manager out for a dirty look. NBA officials have nothing on MLB refs. Besides, even if a tech is called it takes two to get rid of a player.

[Neddy]

You must not have watched a baseball game since the failed umpires strike back over a decade ago. Now, umpires want to be the star of a game and will kick a player or manager out for a dirty look. NBA officials have nothing on MLB refs. Besides, even if a tech is called it takes two to get rid of a player.

Yo Tommy! good to see ya again brother! life is still busy in LV I'm sure, hope your knees are okay man.

as for the topic, yeah MLB umps throw managers out all the time and occasionally a player here or there, but it does not impact the game and its outcome as much as it does in basketball. a manager is simply a baby sitter who decides on lineup cards which is pretty much set already, and subbing a pinch hitter for a pitcher in NL, and even more dumbed down for AL. managers often lose games for you but hardly ever wins one for you, and if you lose a player after 6th inning, you may lose 1 or two at bats, and there are always better defensive subs on the bench. in other words, a player being thrown out makes 1/9 of an impact at the most. basketball can be 1/5 at the least. if you lose a superstar, the impact is greater against a basketball team than it is against a baseball team... unless that player being thrown out is your pitcher. than the impact can be much worse.