Dudley has been traded.

[LACtdom]

I'm saying trade Jamal for a starting SF and have beasley as a backup!

In the playoffs last season Jamal averaged a career best 39%FG and 34% from 3PT which is very poor.
You guys prefer he jacks up shots at a poor rate instead of having Blake and CP3 take more shots?

I guess i'm the minority. I do not hate Jamal, I just do not see why we need his largish contract when he doesn't suit our team needs. We had the number 1 offense so why do we need a player to jack up shots when we actually have great team offense? Would it not make more sense to fill our need at SF? And I will repeat, Beasley was just an example of a backup not a starting player or replacement for Jamal.

[og15]

Okay, but just remember that you said:

LACtdom wrote:
I would love to get Beasley as our backup SG and trade crawford. Beasley is 6-10 and only 25, with some mentoring from Chris and Blake, I could see him adding a lot of value to our team.

That said, I'd take CDR over Beasley. Efficient, better wing defender by far and knows his role. Beasley is really best at PF. CDR had a .588 TS% and 111 Ortg last season and defended well. In the playoffs he averaged 9.5 PPG and shot 68.8% FG and 50% 3PT, .857 TS%, but 4 games and 16 FGA is obviously a small sample size, but got to the line 14 times in 70 minutes of play.

How Beasley can perform in the playoffs based on last season is unkown, he was only trusted for 23 minutes the whole post-season. Before that he had playoff averages of 41.5% FG, 33.3% 3PT, 15.8 pts/36 and an abysmal 90 Ortg.

Also, no, I'm not saying he role we give Crawford is sustainable in the playoffs and good for the team, and I'd be content moving him for a much better wing defender who might not be as good individually on offense but maybe more capable of maintaining scoring efficiency in the playoffs. That doesn't make Beasley a better option by any means though.

[LACtdom]

Okay, but just remember that you said:

LACtdom wrote:
I would love to get Beasley as our backup SG and trade crawford. Beasley is 6-10 and only 25, with some mentoring from Chris and Blake, I could see him adding a lot of value to our team.

That said, I'd take CDR over Beasley. Efficient, better wing defender by far and knows his role. Beasley is really best at PF. CDR had a .588 TS% and 111 Ortg last season and defended well. In the playoffs he averaged 9.5 PPG and shot 68.8% FG and 50% 3PT, .857 TS%, but 4 games and 16 FGA is obviously a small sample size, but got to the line 14 times in 70 minutes of play.

How Beasley can perform in the playoffs based on last season is unkown, he was only trusted for 23 minutes the whole post-season. Before that he had playoff averages of 41.5% FG, 33.3% 3PT, 15.8 pts/36 and an abysmal 90 Ortg.

Also, no, I'm not saying he role we give Crawford is sustainable in the playoffs and good for the team, and I'd be content moving him for a much better wing defender who might not be as good individually on offense but maybe more capable of maintaining scoring efficiency in the playoffs. That doesn't make Beasley a better option by any means though.

I agree, CDR is a lot safer option than Beasley and I would be happy with him as a backup. Doc plays small ball a lot putting a SG at the SF position. It was a quick thought but at the time I thought Beasley could be our backup SG and could dabble at the SF position as well. If you say that it is impossible for Beasley to play the 2 position then I will take your word for it. In the mean time I still believe that unless Crawford changes his playing style and increases his defense so he isn't just 'instant offense' then I would trade him any day of the week to free up space for a wing defender. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Crawford play but when push comes to shove, he is not what we need most and has the highest trade value of our expendable players.

[og15]

I don't know if it is impossible, but putting a PF/SF at SG is basically setting him up for failure on defense. That's just going to be hard for him. Getting around screens at his size, staying in front of his man, closing out and not getting beat or being too slow getting there. Look at the SG's in the league, Harden, DeRozan, Wade, Afflalo, Beal, Green, Bledsoe maybe etc, which SG is he actually going to guard?

I think you want to put players in the best position to succeed and that just won't be it for him on this team.

[mj_shoefanatic]

Beasley would be worth a gamble but playing him at SG is career suicide and trading away JCrossover is beyond foolish. I'd rather see us move jj.

[LACtdom]

Beasley would be worth a gamble but playing him at SG is career suicide and trading away JCrossover is beyond foolish. I'd rather see us move jj.

Why is it beyond foolish? None of the top teams have a player like Jamal. Also JJ is our only sharpshooter, if we got rid of him we'd have no one who could consistently knock down 3s.

[LACtdom]

You guys need more faith in CP3 and Blake. If we still need Jamal for no-D bailout 3s then we have serious problems.

[mj_shoefanatic]

jj is a defensive liability just as much as jcross but if I had a choice between the two I'd rather keep the 2x 6th man award winner for vital bench production over an injuryprone jj who is only valuable to us in the 1st half of games usually if he's not hurt (DNP) that is. Sure he's a sharpshooter but can he stay on the court long enough to give us consistent production at SG for 75-80 games. My only knock on jj is his fragility. Plus, we just signed CDR and already have Bullock & Wilcox to help man that position.

[LACtdom]

jj is a defensive liability just as much as jcross but if I had a choice between the two I'd rather keep the 2x 6th man award winner for vital bench production over an injuryprone jj who is only valuable to us in the 1st half of games usually if he's not hurt (DNP) that is. Sure he's a sharpshooter but can he stay on the court long enough to give us consistent production at SG for 75-80 games. My only knock on jj is his fragility. Plus, we just signed CDR and already have Bullock & Wilcox to help man that position.

Jamal is one of the best at creating a shot for himself but he isn't that great at actually making the shot. He only shot 41% last season. He is perfect for our bench but I don't see how he can contribute to a starting rotation that boasts ball movement.

[mj_shoefanatic]

I never insinuated that jcraw belonged in the starting lineup. Please re-read.

[LACtdom]

I never insinuated that jcraw belonged in the starting lineup. Please re-read.

He plays 30 minutes a game. Are you saying we should pay a guy that much and only let him play 15 minutes a game? That seems like a waste of money to me and also Doc, hence he plays a lot of his time with the starting rotation.

[LACtdom]

Didn't mean to sound so argumentative. I'm sure Jamal will win us some games that we wouldn't have won without him.

[mj_shoefanatic]

We're already guard heavy so Doc has options now.

[Neddy]

We're already guard heavy so Doc has options now.

that is arguable.

for sure tho, we are short of durable PGs.

for the record, we only have two full-time point guards and even that is arguable.

CP3 of course, is the best of anyone playing PG today. but after that?

we have Farmar who is slated as the backup PG. but he is injury prone, and really was a scoring 2 guard in PG's body since high school.

after that, we have JJ and Jamal who can play some minutes at PG but both players are neither durable nor can be relied upon to start for any length of stretch at all if both CP and Farmar are out injured at 1.

so essentially we have 1 PG, 1 hybrid PG/SG, and 5 SGs.

I want 1 more pure PG on this roster before we start the season.

for the record, I want Jamal to be the bait that brings in a true deference maker. Jamal can win us with some fancy footwork and miracle 4 point plays, but he plays subpar defense at 2 and he has no business guarding anyone at 3 and yet he plays way too many minutes at 3.

if we are gonna live and die with Jamal, then i hope we trade Farmar and the loser of the Wilcox vs Bullock competition for a defensive PG to back up CP. as of now we have Farmar-Jamal-CDR-Baby-Hawes as our backups and 3 out of that 5 cannot play defense. that won't get it done if you want to win it all.

[LACtdom]

I agree, however I was a little surprised with how well DC played when cp3 was out so who knows, maybe Farmar will surprise me too. Are there any cheap versions of a Patrick Beverley out there?

[Ranma]

I want 1 more pure PG on this roster before we start the season.

Maybe not exactly want you wanted but maybe the team is listening?


Shams Charania, RealGM.com (9/5/14)

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[og15]

jj is a defensive liability just as much as jcross but if I had a choice between the two I'd rather keep the 2x 6th man award winner for vital bench production over an injuryprone jj who is only valuable to us in the 1st half of games usually if he's not hurt (DNP) that is. Sure he's a sharpshooter but can he stay on the court long enough to give us consistent production at SG for 75-80 games. My only knock on jj is his fragility. Plus, we just signed CDR and already have Bullock & Wilcox to help man that position.

Jamal is one of the best at creating a shot for himself but he isn't that great at actually making the shot. He only shot 41% last season. He is perfect for our bench but I don't see how he can contribute to a starting rotation that boasts ball movement.

You should be careful though as FG% =/= scoring efficiency. We can't just say "he shot 41%" without any context. He shot 41% FG, yes, but 6.5/14.7 FGA were 3PTA which is 44.2% of his attempts, that's a good chunk. 3PTA are going to be hit at a lower percentage, but they are worth more points as we all know, which is the whole value. The eFG% of 36.1% 3PT is .542 eFG%. Shooting 36.1% 3PT is the equivalent of shooting 54% FG.

This is why Jamal had a TS% of .556 TS% which is quite good. Jamal is inconsistent, true, but he's been a perfectly fine regular season player for this team, it is the playoffs that have always been a harder situation for him to be maximally productive because he struggles to give positive value to a team outside of scoring, and when he isn't scoring, he hasn't been doing much else that is positive for the team.