chitownsports4ever wrote:QRich3 wrote:Yeah for me this was the perfect example of why I would trade Jamal away, even if we don't get a lot of value in exchange. He goes scoreless until late in the 3rd, turns it over a lot and plays some horrible defense, so he's one of the main culprits of us being down all game at home against a bad team. But then he goes 5-8 in the fourth quarter, and has a highlight play at the end, and everybody is left with the memory that he's a lot better than he actually is, so Doc will keep overplaying him and he'll keep hurting us more than he helps us.
Glad to have the W though, if we can win 2 of the next 3 road games we'd have a great January all in all.
Jamal comes off the bench thats a lot of blame for someone that comes off the bench .
Jamal entered the game in the 1st the Clippers were losing and in the 3rd when he entered they were losing and he put up the 2nd highest 4th quarter point total of the season . Since jamal has been with the Clippers hes been that good in the 4th its been pretty much what he has done so I dont know if this games backs up what you are saying . JJ was 2-10 so I dont know hod Doc overplayed jamal as Doc has seem to find some synergy of going with the hot hand hand of the two
Err I'm not singling him out as the one sole culprit for being down in the 3rd, I'm essentially saying, don't get too excited cause he won a game for us in January, if you've been watching him for years (and most people here have) you know this don't make up for the slew of bad nights that's to come. And look at the first 3 quarters of this very game for confirmation. I didn't say Doc overplayed him in this very game, but that he tends to do it. You're making my point for me when I say don't get too excited about this one game, and your answer is basically "but did you just see this game?" Maybe I'm less excited than you guys cause when I watched this game I already knew the result, but the trend with Jamal is way too clear to ignore.
chitownsports4ever wrote:the fact are that no one on the bench seems comfortable in their roles besides Big Baby and Jamal . The bench runs a ton of pick and rolls with Crawford but most of that depends on if Hawes and Big baby are ready to play . Hawes has yet to find a shot from anywhere this year that he can make consistently and outside of the occasional Hedo three Jamal is the only outside shooter .
So now you should dump the 6th man of the year so you can give Austin Rivers more minutes ? Doc played CP3 over 11 minutes in the 1st and he should get rid of Jamal and then starting subbing CP3 out after 6 minutes ? for a bunch of guys who have yet to prove they can make a impact in the minutes given them consistently ?
It turns into a one man show not because Jamal doesn't give any one else the opportunities as the tribe called bench proves that it becomes a one man show because outside of Collison and Big Baby Doc has yet to find anyone who can contribute consistently in meaningful games. Its easy to throw up shots on a 20 win team but its much harder when you are on a contender and every shot counts .
The fact that no one is comfortable with their role on the bench is my main point! You can just say that Hawes doesn't come out ready to play, but it's the coach responsibility to put players in a position to succeed. If Hawes' whole role is to pop out and wait for Jamal to take a wild layup or a midrange shot with a hand in his face, of course he's not gonna be engaged and ready to contribute.
You keep fixating in this one game as an example and that's exactly what I'm saying is misleading. If you sub Paul out early, it's not because you wanna give Austin more minutes, it's so you can run your offense through Blake for a few minutes, which is one of our most effective weapons that we don't use nearly enough. All those minutes when Crawford is chucking up shots at an inefficient rate can be minutes when Blake runs the offense from the post, so guys like Hawes and Rivers can get a lot of open shots (like Redick and Barnes do now) so they can be more comfortable and add more to the team. We have the best passing big man in the league and we don't use him enough cause he always plays with two other players that are most effective when they're creating plays. One of them is Chris Paul and he's the best at what he does, so it's ok. The other one is Jamal and should never, under any circumstance, be taking possessions away from our two best players.
Listen, although it may appear like I don't, I do love Jamal and appreciate what he does contribute, but he's redundant with Redick on a team that really needs a couple other pieces. And Redick is much more efficient in the long run, on both ends of the court. Plus JJ knows his place and you know he'll never try to do more than he can chew, which is something Jamal has been guilty of his whole career.
BTW, the tribe called bench died when Bled left and Barnes was forced into the starting line up. Them and Odom were the heart of it.
