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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#41 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:24 pm

QRich3 wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense that since the Warriors and Spurs are so good so far, regular season record is less important and being good in April, not now, should be the priority? What's the urgency? I'd rather they be rested and healthy.

Also, Lance hasn't done sh*t. He's not been a net positive all season. He makes a couple highlight plays in garbage time and worries more about stuffing the boxscore than helping the team, and suddenly he's some kind of savior that'd solve our problems if he played more? I like Smith, but he's not exactly been setting teams on fire either. Not playing Crawford is always a good idea, but please can we stop this circlejerk that says he's the one single thing holding the team back? he's been doing the exact same thing for 3 years and suddenly everyone is outraged just now? Where were all those twitter open letters after the 2014 playoffs?

And let's not forget that even with all our problems, we were this close to beating peak warriors twice, just two weeks ago.


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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#42 » by Wammy Giveaway » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:26 pm

nickhx2 wrote:he's treating them all like children at the moment.


That's why Doc has three hats on, and not two:

1. Coach
2. President/General Manager
3. Father

All of which have butted heads, turning Doc into a corrupt basketball figure.
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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#43 » by nickhx2 » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:48 pm

one thing i've noticed is that there are far less crawford supports/apologists than i've ever seen as well. like there were a couple guys last year and in the offseason who kept preaching his value (lindecision for example) and a few on clipsnations boards. but now they're virtually nonexistent.

also i don't want to speak necessarily for justin russo, qrich, but if you are hammering on him for blasting crawford he's been extremely critical of him for a while now too, as far as i know. the suddenness that you are seeing was already there.
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Re: Justin Russo's Long Rant 

Post#44 » by gipper08 » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:54 pm

Wammy Giveaway wrote:A very long rant posted on Twitter, might I add. I'll copy-paste it, as there were too many tweets to republish...

Justin Russo wrote:Doc Rivers said Lance Stephenson didn't have a good defensive night. I'm curious about something. Does Doc Rivers even care about this team?

I'm serious. I want to know. I really do. He keeps throwing everyone else under the bus BESIDES the guy(s) who are actually playing poorly. At what point does Doc Rivers fully lose the locker room for demeaning other players all while he sticks up for the veterans who are bad?

Honestly, it'll come soon. You can't keep throwing a turd in a paper bag on Lance's doorstep without Lance eventually losing his mind. And, quite frankly, when Lance does crack and lose it, it'll be deserved. And I'll stand by him. Every step of the way, in fact.

At this point, Doc Rivers plays favorites with veterans and undermines the good things other players on the team do. It's old.

We're on the precipice here, folks. I'm going to sit back, grab my tall glass of water, and sip it while smirking at the world's end. Tired of watching 25 minutes a night of Jamal getting roasted like a marshmallow on defense only for Doc Rivers to blame everyone else.

Maybe blame yourself, Doc. Things doesn't roll uphill, it rolls down. Honestly, if this is how it's gonna be all year, then I'm counting days. We're almost 20 games into the season. That's 25% of the way. You should already know who you are by now. Doc has no earthly idea. I'm over complaining about it, but it keeps coming up seemingly after every game. Doc takes podium, talks ill of a player, but not others. He did that with Wesley Johnson, and it drove me insane when he wasn't even the issue. Doc's in a tough spot, but he put himself there.

Either produce results with the players YOU BROUGHT IN, or pack up your bags and head elsewhere. I'm over it. Completely over it. I'm tired of the platitudes, I'm tired of the coach speak, I'm tired of the blaming the guys who ARE playing hard but NOT those who aren't. He's gotta grow the hell up and understand the issues. The wolves are at the gate, Doc. You gonna let them in or fight? You don't even know. You're just here; cashing your $10 million a year and laughing, smiling, and yelling at refs. You just don't even know. You just don't.

Whatever happens this year happens. I'll be sad when they get bounced, but maybe Doc'll go with 'em. Only chance at a positive future. For now, Doc's hijacked the team after pulling them through a tumultuous time and used it to feed his own ego. He's THE problem.

I'll always thank him and appreciate him for what he did during the Sterling Saga, but we're beyond that. It's not an excuse anymore.

Lastly, this team is a championship caliber team. The issue is they're being coached by a Bottom 5 guy. And that's that.

Oh, I lied. This is the last thing: I hope Josh Smith and Lance Stephenson get traded. They deserve a better coach than the one they have.


Source: Justin Russo's Twitter Account


No matter how Lance plays Doc will try and find a way and bury him in favor oF Rivers and Crawford(and even Johnson and Luc and Pierce).

Lance picked up a quick foul so he backed off and gave guys(Stucky) a couple jumpers(That Stucky missed) other than that Lance played good to very good D.

Doc wouldn't start Lance in the second half and wouldn't get him in until 6 left in the third.

Lance is mentally weak and he has had two hack coaches in a row try and bury him. I give Lance a lot of credit.
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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#45 » by QRich3 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 11:16 am

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QRich3 wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense that since the Warriors and Spurs are so good so far, regular season record is less important and being good in April, not now, should be the priority? What's the urgency? I'd rather they be rested and healthy.

Also, Lance hasn't done sh*t. He's not been a net positive all season. He makes a couple highlight plays in garbage time and worries more about stuffing the boxscore than helping the team, and suddenly he's some kind of savior that'd solve our problems if he played more? I like Smith, but he's not exactly been setting teams on fire either. Not playing Crawford is always a good idea, but please can we stop this circlejerk that says he's the one single thing holding the team back? he's been doing the exact same thing for 3 years and suddenly everyone is outraged just now? Where were all those twitter open letters after the 2014 playoffs?

And let's not forget that even with all our problems, we were this close to beating peak warriors twice, just two weeks ago.


Where'd you come up with the bolded?

By coming in here/twitter/real life for the last few years? if you want specific examples of me criticising Jamal in the past, and the general vibe of this place being favorable to him, a quick search gives me this, this, this, this, this and this.

It's alright, I'll try to keep my moaning to the minimum since it's evident most people don't see things the way I do, I just find it funny how these things shift in group and everyone's mentality go together to put the blame in random places. If the beehive says Doc is to blame for everything, everyone's gonna blame every little thing that goes wrong on him, even if there's no reason to in that specific case. If the hive turns on Jamal, everyone blames everything on Jamal, even though he's just doing the exact same thing he did for the past 3 years, and Doc is playing him the exact same amount. Not saying either of them are doing things well, they're an important part of the problem, but I just see it as a completely random thing that the focus is on them now, when nothing changed from the past couple years. Last year, the blame was put mostly on Blake shooting long twos, which wasn't very justified either, but at least there was a change there.

nickhx2 wrote:also i don't want to speak necessarily for justin russo, qrich, but if you are hammering on him for blasting crawford he's been extremely critical of him for a while now too, as far as i know. the suddenness that you are seeing was already there.

I don't really follow Russo or his opinion on Jamal, I'm talking more about the general vibe of the Clipper fandom, either in here, other places in the internet or real life. It's pretty evident everyone hates Jamal now, and I know from experience that most Clipper fans would disagree with me whenever I shat on Jamal in the past.

nickhx2 wrote:Being better in april is definitely the priority. Personally I couldn't give a rat's ass if cp3/jj whoever were out and hurt and needing rest time to be healthy if it meant we were solid come april. But being better come postseason relies in the premise that you iron out the issues currently wrong with the team in the meantime. What is going on now isn't an issue of "resting guys to be healthy for postseason." What's going on now is the team has major structural flaws that look like they need immediate attention. And doc playing favorites is either ignoring them or eventually going to exacerbate them.

But if the flaws are structural the only way to solve them is changing the roster's structure, and that's only gonna be possible via trade, changing rotations is gonna help little. And again, those issues are not any bigger than they were last year, and we had a really good year last year. I'm a lot more worried about Paul's and JJ's health than I am about the result of a couple December games against Indiana and Utah.

nickhx2 wrote:Anyway honestly i like discussing things with you but you seem to keep centralizing things towards crawford being the sole issue. Maybe it's my own tone or tenor when we talk about it but he is definitely not the only problem in my view. Furthermore god knows i've been griping about him for over a couple years now, and last year i'd say a good number of people were too, but this year is definitely different because he is a lot worse than before and what looks to be a gigantic negative impact on the entire team. It's not just that he's been bad, but the obviousness of it and the conjoined obliviousness of doc..

Alright, point taken and I'll slow down on that. I do not agree that Jamal is any worse than before though, I'm actually surprised he's been able to maintain his skills this far. His defense has even gone from disastrous in years before to having flashes of good effort here and there in the last couple years. And he still can break down his man like it's nothing, if only he was a willing passer after he's done that... but yeah anyway, he's bad and a big detriment to the team and he should be gone. But we're still good in spite of him and no one that plays under him is gonna greatly improve what we do. That's my point, as ever.

nickhx2 wrote:I think everyone should be entitled to be more outraged this year than last.

I don't see why? Our flaws are the exact same they were last year. We have a similar record on a harder schedule. We have the 5th best offense and the 18th best defense this year. Last year, at the end of November, we had the 5th offense and the 17th defense. I just see this season as a very similar one as last year, with the exception that we had a harder schedule and injuries to Paul and Redick. That's why the outraged vibe shocks me a bit more.
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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#46 » by nickhx2 » Fri Dec 4, 2015 6:12 pm

don't have time at the moment to reply in depth. but by my last comment i mean if jamal is shooting worse than ever before and guys who are a lot more efficient on offense and better on defense are getting less minutes than him, i think it's fair for people to be upset if they weren't last year. or more upset if they already didn't like his play.
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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#47 » by LACtdom » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:07 pm

nickhx2 wrote:don't have time at the moment to reply in depth. but by my last comment i mean if jamal is shooting worse than ever before and guys who are a lot more efficient on offense and better on defense are getting less minutes than him, i think it's fair for people to be upset if they weren't last year. or more upset if they already didn't like his play.


It's just common sense that IF a 'no-defense' player is having a bad day offensively (which all players do from time to time) then the team would be better off allocating more of their minutes to a defensive player (since defense is meant to be more consistent than offence). For example, this game, Jamal shot 5-16 and 1-8 from deep. Yes I realise that JJ was injured but maybe we could have increased Wes' 9 minutes and therefore played the defensive Lance more at the SG spot.

I'm not saying that it was wrong to play Jamal, I'm saying that giving Jamal the most minutes out of every Clipper is probably not wise on the nights he is struggling. I think we have a better chance of getting stops with a more defensive lineup than Jamal has of having a 30 point game.
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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#48 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat Dec 5, 2015 6:45 am

nickhx2 wrote:one thing i've noticed is that there are far less crawford supports/apologists than i've ever seen as well. like there were a couple guys last year and in the offseason who kept preaching his value (lindecision for example) and a few on clipsnations boards. but now they're virtually nonexistent.

also i don't want to speak necessarily for justin russo, qrich, but if you are hammering on him for blasting crawford he's been extremely critical of him for a while now too, as far as i know. the suddenness that you are seeing was already there.

I have always been a fan of Crawford but it hard to stick up for him this season because he has only had about 2 good games all season. Doc should really restrict his minutes if it is clear that he doesn't have it going and instead play more defensive minded players.
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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#49 » by nickhx2 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 6:56 am

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nickhx2 wrote:one thing i've noticed is that there are far less crawford supports/apologists than i've ever seen as well. like there were a couple guys last year and in the offseason who kept preaching his value (lindecision for example) and a few on clipsnations boards. but now they're virtually nonexistent.

also i don't want to speak necessarily for justin russo, qrich, but if you are hammering on him for blasting crawford he's been extremely critical of him for a while now too, as far as i know. the suddenness that you are seeing was already there.

I have always been a fan of Crawford but it hard to stick up for him this season because he has only had about 2 good games all season. Doc should really restrict his minutes if it is clear that he doesn't have it going and instead play more defensive minded players.


the problem is that i'm almost positive that doc thinks that jamal is one of his better/more trustworthy defenders.
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Clips Now Being Preempted on TV 

Post#50 » by Ranma » Sat Dec 5, 2015 7:11 am

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Re: Clips Now Being Preempted on TV 

Post#51 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Dec 5, 2015 7:17 am

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damn.

gut punch.
Bucks might have something to do with that as well.
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Post#52 » by Ranma » Sat Dec 5, 2015 7:22 am

Quake Griffin wrote:damn.

gut punch.
Bucks might have something to do with that as well.


True but people can't seem to get enough of the Warriors despite their exposure and Phoenix has been competitive, which can 't be said of the former Highlight Clips. The Bucks obviously aren't a draw either but the Deck-a-DJ that has slowed the pace of Clippers games to a crawl, particularly towards the end of games, has surely contributed to the decision as well. It's funny how fast we've gone from Must-See-TV status to being almost unbearable to watch now on so many levels. Thanks, Doc.
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Re: LA Clippers(10-8) VS Indiana(11-5) 

Post#53 » by nickhx2 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 5:41 pm

probably would have been cast by jon barry or mark jackson anyway. it's a win in my book.

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