Diamond Stone 27 pts. 15 reb.

Tudalop · Post #1 » by **Tudalop** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:37 pm

Come on, Doc...

janmagn · Post #2 » by **janmagn** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:42 pm

Have any of you seen enough of him to rate him defensively?

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Roscoe Sheed · Post #3 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:42 pm

He seemed completely lost in the few minutes of game action he received when with the clippers. It is good that he seems to be improving in the d league

Captain Ballmer · Post #4 » by **Captain Ballmer** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:51 pm

We saw Stone's good touch and mobility at Summer League. And with that video, that's very impressive shooting stroke and knowledge of how to use his body at finishing in the paint for a 19 years old center. This is a good pick-up, regardless of the output for the Clippers so far.

MartinToVaught · Post #5 » by **MartinToVaught** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:49 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:He seemed completely lost in the few minutes of game action he received when with the clippers. It is good that he seems to be improving in the d league

"the few minutes"

That's the problem. Doc has zero patience for any young players - unless their last name is Rivers, then he has unlimited patience. Stone's played 16 total minutes all year. That's nowhere near enough time to make a fair judgment of him. It's even more frustrating because Doc's also the GM. He drafted the kid and still won't give him a chance.

If Doc was the Spurs' coach, Kawhi would be playing in Europe right now.

nickhx2 · Post #6 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:18 am

very lost in NBA speed. hard to evaluate whether he can be an NBA defender given that.

LACtdom · Post #7 » by **LACtdom** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:38 am

I don't know why everyone is obsessed with us not trading away our picks. We never use them well or develop them into NBA players. We just send them to the d-league until their career is officially over. Also it's not as though we haven't had games where we've been flogged and could have used the garbage minutes to blood some young guys.

MartinToVaught · Post #8 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:32 pm

LACtdom wrote:I don't know why everyone is obsessed with us not trading away our picks. We never use them well or develop them into NBA players. We just send them to the d-league until their career is officially over. Also it's not as though we haven't had games where we've been flogged and could have used the garbage minutes to blood some young guys.

Doc isn't going to be the GM forever and this core isn't going to be around forever. Trading away future picks now only makes it harder to rebuild in the future. Just look at the Grizzlies as the ultimate cautionary tale. They could have had Wade, Bosh or Melo in 2003, but instead their #2 pick went to Detroit because they had traded it away for Otis Thorpe all the way back in 1997.

And it's not like Doc ends up trading for significantly better players than the ones he would have drafted with those picks.

Post #9 » by **og15** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:30 am

MartinToVaught wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:He seemed completely lost in the few minutes of game action he received when with the clippers. It is good that he seems to be improving in the d league

"the few minutes"

That's the problem. Doc has zero patience for any young players - unless their last name is Rivers, then he has unlimited patience. Stone's played 16 total minutes all year. That's nowhere near enough time to make a fair judgment of him. It's even more frustrating because Doc's also the GM. He drafted the kid and still won't give him a chance.

If Doc was the Spurs' coach, Kawhi would be playing in Europe right now.

Who are the coaches doing it differently?
What 40 range 2nd round pick on a good team with 4 productive big men ahead of him is getting more minutes than Stone? All these rants make no sense without any example of other teams doing it differently. There's something called practice, I really don't know where people get this idea from, maybe it is from watching this team be a lottery team for so many years, people think that young players just get minutes on teams like that. This is not the reality.

I have no problem with criticizing Doc or anyone, but can we at least criticized accurately and based on facts? Stone has played 16 mins. Zimmerman drafted after him, coached by Budenholzer has played 32 mins, Onuaku drafted 3 picks before him has played 10 mins, Diallo has played 94 mins, Demetrius Jackson has played 17 mins. Damian Jones drafted 30th has played 16 mins, Skal Labissiere drafted 28th has played 33 mins, Georgios Papagiannis drafted 13th has played 9 mins, Henry Ellenson drafted 18th has played 56 mins, and Malik Beasley drafted 19th has played 61 mins.

Right now based on the logic we used for Doc, these are all the bad coaches at developing players:

Brad Stevens, Mike Budenholzer, Mike D'Antoni, Alvin Gentry, Steve Kerr, David Joeger, Stan Van Gundy, and Mike Malone

Let's be consistent

Obviously it would be laughable to suggest this. Remember we are keeping the logic consistent, let's just focus on the logic used here and not digress and start saying "oh well they developed this and that other player" because we can say the same for Doc too. If the logic is how many minutes a rookie or second year player plays, then this is what you are saying. Pop played rookie Kyle Anderson similar minutes to rookie Reggie Bullock, so I guess Pop is also bad at developing players too, so add him to the list.
Late 1st round picks and 2nd round picks on good teams don't regularly play much if at all

All other coaches treat the similar young players the same way. This argument would only hold if other coaches were consistently doing something different, but they are doing the exact same thing, mainly sending these guys to the D-League or keeping them at the end of the bench with limited minutes.