Game 58: San Antonio Spurs (43-13) @ Los Angeles Clippers (35-22) - 10:30 PM ET

[Akklaim1]

We really need a two-way small forward.

[thanumba2clippersfan]

The last quarter and a half has been frustrating. I don't like hearing all those cheers for the Spurs.

[TheNewEra]

We really need a two-way small forward.

For couple years now but of they don't stand in corner and just shoot bricks not a Doc type guy.

[nickhx2]

if they grew on trees we'd have one

[nickhx2]

the real problem is that with our lack of assets and cap space we can't easily obtain any. i mean i'm certainly no doc fan nor do i appreciate being made to be the doc apologist, but if a 2 way guy was out there the team would get him.

[TheNewEra]

We can't even get the seed for the tree. This is a Doc preference issue he's not investing in a guy that tries anything outside of stand and shoot and please forgive the guy has personality. Team won't go anywhere until Doc is fired or told to stop being a pain.


I 1000% percent believe Glen Davis when he said Ainge had to tell Doc to leave certain guys alone to do their thing.

[TheNewEra]

the real problem is that with our lack of assets and cap space we can't easily obtain any. i mean i'm certainly no doc fan nor do i appreciate being made to be the doc apologist, but if a 2 way guy was out there the team would get him.

Both those issues stem from Docs poor management of assets and resigning players without a gameplan. Let's not act like the body of work isn't there that if a player doesn't do it Docs way after it doesn't work issues don't pile up. Poor investments in picks and wasting longer term contracts trading down for smaller deals without filling team holes put us in this place.

[Akklaim1]

the real problem is that with our lack of assets and cap space we can't easily obtain any. i mean i'm certainly no doc fan nor do i appreciate being made to be the doc apologist, but if a 2 way guy was out there the team would get him.

And we thought we had one in Jared Dudley. Then he became out of shape.

[nickhx2]

i absolutely 100% agree with you that his lack of flexibility now is due to his prior incompetence. without a doubt.

i'm just saying as things stand right this moment, it's not something the team has much ability to change. because it sounds like people are saying "hey we don't have a 2-way SF, why don't we get one right this minute? DOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC"

just not much we can do.

[nickhx2]

the real problem is that with our lack of assets and cap space we can't easily obtain any. i mean i'm certainly no doc fan nor do i appreciate being made to be the doc apologist, but if a 2 way guy was out there the team would get him.

And we thought we had one in Jared Dudley. Then he became out of shape.

well yeah he was outta shape and it didn't help doc kept playing him when he needed rest. which started an epic chain reaction with consequences still affecting the team. hard to be more unfortunate than that.

[Clemenza]

We really need a two-way small forward.

Probably have to wait another ten years for that to happen under Doc.

Seriously tho its time for a change. I don't see us doing anything in the post season as currently constructed

[Captain Ballmer]

We really need a two-way small forward.

Probably have to wait another ten years for that to happen under Doc.

Seriously tho its time for a change. I don't see us doing anything in the post season as currently constructed

I completely agree with you but we just missed that train with bypassing the trade deadline. This team sometimes gives you a false hopes that they can win it all as a misconstructed team only if they stay healthy.

It's sad that only Blake and Austin are the ones whose really cares about how this team's losing. These two is the only guys whose always aggressive, puts full of effort, wear and tear and even BLOOD to the floor. Rest of the team is irrelevant at this point. It's frustrating to know that we gonna overpay to keep those irrelevants this summer and It's doesn't looks like there is a hope for change even if we dump Doc Rivers.

[og15]

I think if we actually think about it, what were we seriously going to to that would have been advantageous at the trade deadline? I mean realistically, not stuff like "get Carmelo" as if it was a real option, what trades could actually have happened? I don't really understand all these posts acting like some deadline move was going to be the difference between being able to beat GS and still being a decent underdog against them.

I'd say that we missed the train by not having any valuable players to trade outside of the main players that make this team win games. We missed it by all the small mismanagement of assets that could have been combined to get someone. Now even then, I think some people still expect more than is realistic there too. If compared to GS, we missed that train by not having just about every possible cap and salary situation work in our favor. Back to the stars, even if you wanted to trade those top players, the worst time to trade Paul or Griffin is when they are an expiring contract with zero guarantee for the receiving team that they can re-sign them. The best time is when they are re-signed long term and the receiving team has a couple of years to improve around them.

Even if you want the team to re-tool and move one of the stars and go in a different direction, which can be fine if done smartly and pretty bad it not. The actual best time to do so is next season after they have re-signed them to nice long term contracts and have a lot more pull in trade discussions.

It's sad that only Blake and Austin are the ones whose really cares about how this team's losing. These two is the only guys whose always aggressive, puts full of effort, wear and tear and even BLOOD to the floor. Rest of the team is irrelevant at this point. It's frustrating to know that we gonna overpay to keep those irrelevants this summer and It's doesn't looks like there is a hope for change even if we dump Doc Rivers.

This isn't really true. Chris Paul just broke his finger twice playing defense for the team. Also sadly for Blake this is not the case whenever we play the Warriors recently for some reason, so sad

[og15]

i absolutely 100% agree with you that his lack of flexibility now is due to his prior incompetence. without a doubt.

i'm just saying as things stand right this moment, it's not something the team has much ability to change. because it sounds like people are saying "hey we don't have a 2-way SF, why don't we get one right this minute? DOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC"

just not much we can do.

Exactly what I've also been trying to say. People keep acting like our mish-mash of assets who they all think suck and are terrible (and I agree about a good amount of those) can just be combined and sent to other teams and the other teams will be happy and just send back better or more useful players.

Look at Wilson Chandler, supposedly the Clippers, Raptors, Rockets and Thunder were all interested, but no one was able to get him. Even before looking at value, what about just reality?

Denver has so many 6'4-6'5 guards who are young (except Nelson) and all play:

Barton 26 | 29 mpg
Harris 22 | 29 mpg
Murray 19 | 20 mpg
Mudiay 20 | 28 mpg
Nelson 34 | 26 mpg

They also are trying to make the playoffs while still developing, so they aren't just trying to get any player back, they want one that will play and make sense for them. It would make little sense for them to trade for another 6'4-6'5 guard to add to the 4 they already have.

...but then we'll have our fans having outrage that we didn't make a trade for a player like Chandler and say it is because Doc doesn't want to trade Austin. Denver needed a PF (better than Faried) and a backup C. The last type of player they needed was a player like Jamal or Austin or even Redick. From the reports we read that a team trying to get Austin was New York, for Courtney Lee...

Courtney Lee is not bad, but first of all that does nothing for the Clippers SF situation to get a smaller 6'5 SG and we'd be trading the younger player for the older 31 year old player. No thanks. If that's the kind of offers we were getting at the deadline, then it's good that we did nothing.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Did anybody notice that Manu knocked the ball out of bounds on his steal? Cp3 noticed it and the ref was looking right at it. The clippers still would have lost probably, but that was a bad missed call

[Captain Ballmer]

It's sad that only Blake and Austin are the ones whose really cares about how this team's losing. These two is the only guys whose always aggressive, puts full of effort, wear and tear and even BLOOD to the floor. Rest of the team is irrelevant at this point. It's frustrating to know that we gonna overpay to keep those irrelevants this summer and It's doesn't looks like there is a hope for change even if we dump Doc Rivers.

This isn't really true. Chris Paul just broke his finger twice playing defense for the team. Also sadly for Blake this is not the case whenever we play the Warriors recently for some reason, so sad

You have a point about CP3, he's the number 3rd on my list about effort. He's just not the fuel(Griffin) or fire(Austin), he is the gear that should make it constant.

I think Blake actually tries harder when we face warriors. However, Draymond just owns him defensively, he knows his every tricks, and then their intensive help defense from Iggy-KD-Klay-Barnes-Shaun leads awkward shot's and turnovers from Blake so that makes him into a passive play after around first 5-8 minutes. So sad part for Blake isn't about effort, he's just mentally broken aganist Warriors. I'm not sure he can fix that, but if he does, that day is the joy for us my fellow Clippers fans.