Not Only is it Time to Tank...

[Quake Griffin]

It's actually time to get creative and put the Cavs in a Figure Four to get that Brooklyn pick.


This isn't just a case of, "oh, I'd love the Brooklyn pick."
It's hunting season. Take a week off work, get into the woods, and do what's necessary to come back with that pick.

[QRich3]

Are you guys willing to get it in a pick swap? Like say, the trade is DJ for Tristan Thompson and Frye and the rights to swap the Clippers pick with the Brooklyn pick.

That'd mean we lose our pick and we're possibly tanking for nothing but a slight increment in our chances. But I don't see another way they're gonna give us that pick, DJ by himself is not worth it, and Beverly being out for the year doesn't help to improve that package. And trying harder is not gonna convince them I'm afraid.

I myself am torn over it, if that was the case I might rather go try to trade DJ for a younger wing player like Middleton, MKG, or maybe even Porter or Barnes since we're eating bad salary either way.

[QRich3]

By the way, the first thing to do would be to trade Lou imho. Best way to guarantee a successful tank has always been to get rid of your veteran playmakers and let the kids learn by banging their heads to the wall. Right now Lou is winning games for us and he's definitely not gonna continue here next year, so the sooner you trade him the better.

Having Austin, Evans and Sindarius as our main backcourt players is not gonna be pretty, but it assures we'll lose a lot, and they get some reps.

[Quake Griffin]

Wonder what LeBron’s thoughts on DeAndre are given that him and CP best friends.

Was it over as soon as it started?



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[esqtvd]

anybody actually gonna watch the games from here on in

as we field DJ who you want traded for a douche-nothing late-20s pick
and Austin who you hate
and Lou who you'd dump instantly for a late pick

surrounded by a bunch of Houston spare parts and G-Leaguers in Clipper uniforms every night?


OK--
embrace the suck

you got what you axed for

[Quake Griffin]

Are you guys willing to get it in a pick swap? Like say, the trade is DJ for Tristan Thompson and Frye and the rights to swap the Clippers pick with the Brooklyn pick.

That'd mean we lose our pick and we're possibly tanking for nothing but a slight increment in our chances. But I don't see another way they're gonna give us that pick, DJ by himself is not worth it, and Beverly being out for the year doesn't help to improve that package. And trying harder is not gonna convince them I'm afraid.

I myself am torn over it, if that was the case I might rather go try to trade DJ for a younger wing player like Middleton, MKG, or maybe even Porter or Barnes since we're eating bad salary either way.

Gotta ignore some people. You’re not one of them.

They’re 8-13.
We are 8-11.

We play in the west. Are you projecting them to have a significantly worse record than us? They are in the east.


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[QRich3]

I project them to be worse than us, not sure it's gonna be a significant margin, maybe 2-3 lottery seeds at most. But with that pick swap, you increase the chance that either of those picks gets lucky in the lottery and jumps into the top 3. The 76ers just got Fultz that way, partly.

Mostly, I don't think there's another way we get that Brooklyn pick without trading Blake, so I'm trying to get creative. DJ by himself is not gonna get it. DJ + Beverly isn't either, because of Bev's injury. Our young guys are not gonna move the needle for the Cavs. Neither is Lou, with them having Wade and Isaiah. We can eat some bad contracts, but that's not gonna increase the value enough. We don't really have anything that'll interest them other than DJ, and he is not enough to get that pick.

Like I said, I'm leaning to trade DJ somewhere else probably.

anybody actually gonna watch the games from here on in

as we field DJ who you want traded for a douche-nothing late-20s pick
and Austin who you hate
and Lou who you'd dump instantly for a late pick

surrounded by a bunch of Houston spare parts and G-Leaguers in Clipper uniforms every night?


OK--
embrace the suck

you got what you axed for

I'm gonna keep watching. I wanna watch Sindarius guard NBA starters on a nightly basis. I wanna watch Evans learn to play P&R in the league. I wanna watch the occasional unexpected big run by the young guys against a better team. I already paid League Pass for the whole year anyway. But mostly, I want as much long term success as possible.

It doesn't matter if you embrace it or not, it's gonna happen either way. Might as well keep hoping for the best.

[MartinToVaught]

Are you guys willing to get it in a pick swap? Like say, the trade is DJ for Tristan Thompson and Frye and the rights to swap the Clippers pick with the Brooklyn pick.

That'd mean we lose our pick and we're possibly tanking for nothing but a slight increment in our chances. But I don't see another way they're gonna give us that pick, DJ by himself is not worth it, and Beverly being out for the year doesn't help to improve that package. And trying harder is not gonna convince them I'm afraid.

That would be pointless. We might as well just keep DJ and our pick rather than do that.

They can have Lou Williams too if that sweetens the deal enough for them to give us that pick with no strings attached. I like him, but our future is more important, and his scoring ability might screw up the tank by winning us games we'd otherwise lose.

[MartinToVaught]

anybody actually gonna watch the games from here on in

as we field DJ who you want traded for a douche-nothing late-20s pick
and Austin who you hate
and Lou who you'd dump instantly for a late pick

surrounded by a bunch of Houston spare parts and G-Leaguers in Clipper uniforms every night?


OK--
embrace the suck

you got what you axed for

Of course I'll still watch the games. I like watching Thornwell, Evans, Dekker, Harrell and Reed. Plus, Milos will be back soon, so we'll be guaranteed to see some highlight-reel passes every night.

[esqtvd]

anybody actually gonna watch the games from here on in

as we field DJ who you want traded for a douche-nothing late-20s pick
and Austin who you hate
and Lou who you'd dump instantly for a late pick

surrounded by a bunch of Houston spare parts and G-Leaguers in Clipper uniforms every night?


OK--
embrace the suck

you got what you axed for

Of course I'll still watch the games. I like watching Thornwell, Evans, Dekker, Harrell and Reed. Plus, Milos will be back soon, so we'll be guaranteed to see some highlight-reel passes every night.

OK. Good on you, man. I'll watch too. I remember listening to the last game of a 17-win season to see if Michael cage would win the rebounding title. That's core.

He did. Got 30.

http://www.nba.com/clippers/catching-up-michael-cage-110809.html

[Roscoe Sheed]

I think they should see how the team does with Teodosic and Gallinari back in a few weeks before making moves. Maybe they can keep the clippers in playoff contention by the time Griffin returns

[QRich3]

I was listening to Zach Lowe's podcast earlier, and he's usually one of the most connected and reliable guys for informed guesses (more than Woj and them for rumors and the likes), and he said he doesn't think the Cavs are ever gonna give that Brooklyn pick for Deandre, but that he'd still be very surprised if Deandre finished the season as a Clipper, and that he thinks we're gonna get something really good for him. He didn't mention anything specific, but he said stuff like the Bucks are surely gonna make an offer, and that's surprising cause earlier in the year he himself said the Bucks are only gonna be interested in shooters to put around Giannis.

[og15]

Otto is not a bad contact, he's a very nice player for his role, Washington is definitely not moving him for DJ. There might be some wing options though.

If it's Washington, we're probably got to be getting an offer like Gortat + Smith + 1st. We save money, have a fill in at C and get a 1st.

Without a LeBron commitment, Cleveland will be hard pressed to trade that pick. They would need a really solid offer, and an about to expire DJ is probably not that.

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[QRich3]

Otto is not a bad contact, he's a very nice player for his role, Washington is definitely not moving him for DJ. There might be some wing options though.

If it's Washington, we're probably got to be getting an offer like Gortat + Smith + 1st. We save money, have a fill in at C and get a 1st.

Without a LeBron commitment, Cleveland will be hard pressed to trade that pick. They would need a really solid offer, and an about to expire DJ is probably not that.

Yeah, Otto is a nice player indeed, but he's also a role player that doesn't play elite or even great defense, and makes 25% of the cap. He should very much be in the conversation in a trade for DJ, I don't think Porter has the potential of ever being as impactful a player as DJ has been in the past couple of years. His age fits what we're trying to do better than DJ, and that ups his value, but he is not a better player and I'm not even sure he's a better contract than what DJ is gonna get next summer.

That Gortat package, I wouldn't accept it for empty capspace. The pick is gonna be in the 20's and Gortat is about to be 34 years old, we have no use for him. Smith is dead salary for two years. It should be more expensive than that to get out of $20M in meh salary and get a 3x all-NBA C. Hell they might even trade us that pick for Lou Will instead of Deandre. And the gap in value between both should be sizeable.

I think part of that thinking is, with all of this let's-tank thing, forgetting what it is that made DJ good. He is a really good two way player that many teams around the league should pay a hefty price to have. And whichever team has him in June should have a good chance to re-sign him for cheap-ish since the only teams with capspace are either tanking teams trying to go young or teams with a franchise C already in place. He's probably not gonna get to choose where he wants to play next summer.

If all that's on the table is a pick in the 20's and dead salary, they need to keep DJ and take their chances in FA. But I think there'll be more stuff.