JGOJustin wrote:esqtvd wrote:JGOJustin wrote:
Most people are using Stats.NBA.com as it tends to be more accurate via it's relationship w/synergy as opposed to bball ref, which is often times just formulaic estimates.
Surely you're right--making Basketball Reference pretty useless for advanced stuff like this. The disparity is too great. Thx for the correction.
With only 10 games on the books, these numbers can't hold: Surely he's not that good a defender. But I do tend to believe the O number will stay up, and amazingly enough he's doing it while only shooting 34%/30%. Just imagine if and when his shots start falling!
You're absolutely right. It's encouraging that he actually looks for his shot on offense though because he isn't this bad of a shooter. I think he can get to above average and if he gets there, look out.
But yeah, the defense numbers probably will regress, but he hasn't been the turnstyle that one would of assumed off the eye test. And he's played a ton of his minutes w/ Austin/CJ/Jamil/DJ and that lineup has been fantastic defensively which help his defensive metrics big time.
You guys are looking at different numbers. It's a common mistake. Individual Ortg and Drtg is not the same as on/off Ortg and Drtg. Individual Drtg is a hard stat to take much from because it is team Drtg and you go lower the better you are per minute at steals, blocks and defensive rebounds. Essentially it's not a very useful stat. Individual Ortg is an estimate of your points created per possession and is more limited to actual individual performance.
On/off is the teams Ortg and Drtg when you are on/off. That you can find here: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teodomi01/on-off/2018
You have to go to "more pages" on BBallRef and click on/off.
It has the team at 111.1 Ortg and 96.2 Drtg when Milos is on the court, so pretty similar. The differences between NBA.com and BBallRef is based on how they each calculate pace IIRC. Generally not too drastic a difference, but certainly not the difference you get if you compare individual vs on/off. No players will match in those numbers even within the same site as they are just different numbers. Milos couldn't have a 111 individual Ortg with how poorly he has shot so far.