DeAndre Jordan Trade Rumors

[esqtvd]

The DJ’s extension refuse got me an idea to check the 2018 market and weigh what he thinks he can get. So I just checked out that Capulator tool from shamsport.(very useful for this purpose btw)

Only the guaranteed part of the contracts and draft pick holds have been counted and renounced all the cap holds. So, the amounts are roughly shows the money teams can throw at FA market.

Hawks: 24 M$ cap space
Celtics: (-5) M$ cap space
Nets: 14 M$ cap space (only after renouncing Okafor)
Hornets: (-23) M$ cap space.
Bulls: 22 M$ cap space (Lopez and Asik Under Contract)
Cavaliers: (-7) M$ cap space (if LBJ opts-out)
Mavericks: 26 M$ cap space(Dirk out)
Nuggets: (-9) M$ cap space
Pistons: (-15) M$ cap space
Warriors: (-37) M$ cap space
Rockets: 20 M$ cap space(No CP3-Capela-Ariza)
Pacers: 37 M$ cap space
Lakers: 55 M$ cap space (Renounce Lopez-Randle-Pope)
Grizzlies: (-3) M$ cap space
Heat: (-19) M$ cap space
Bucks: (-9) M$ cap space
TimberWolves: (-13) M$ cap space
Pelicans: (-21) M$ cap space
Knicks: (-1) M$ cap space
Thunder: (-56) M$ cap space
Magic: 14 M$ cap space(only if Aaron Gordon out)
Sixers: 26 M$ cap space
Suns: 21 M$ cap space(renounce Payton, Len)
Blazers: (-13) M$ cap space
Kings: 20 M$ cap space
Spurs: 21 M$ cap space(Only if renounce and opts out some crucial contracts such as Green-Gay-Parker-Kyle Anderson)
Raptors: (-24) M$ cap space
Jazz: 24 M$ cap space(Renounce Favors and Exum)
Wizards: (-16) M$ cap space

As you can see most of the teams are capped out. If DJ aims to get 25+ M$ per year, Mavs- Pacers-Lakers and Sixers are the only 4 teams that have room for it.

Mavs: I don’t think they want DJ anymore (they will look to draft for Bamba-Ayton or Bagley)
Sixers: They have Embiid.
Pacers: They have Turner and Sabonis as big men.
Lakers:? If they missed the LBJ-PG-Cousins train whould they got him?

If DJ aims to get between 20-25 M$ per year, Jazz-Spurs-Kings-Suns-Rockets-Bulls-Hawks are the only 7 teams that have room for it.

Jazz: They have Gobert.
Spurs: Aldridge and Gasol are signed with big money already, also renouncing all the wing depth for a chance of DJ isn’t what Spurs do.
Kings: They are young team with Skal-Cauley Stein. And Zach randolph is already signed.
Suns: They have Tyson and Alan Wiliams signed and Renouncing Elfrid Payton-Alex Len for DJ isn’t realistic.
Rockets: IF CP3 bolts and renouncing Ariza-Capela is the only way to create that cap space.
Bulls: A young team, If needed Center on the roster they will look to draft for Bamba-Ayton or Bagley.
Hawks: Same as Bulls. They might wanna keep Dedmon by the way.

The market for veteran big man who plays less then 20 M$ per year is so drought that only 2 teams that have room for it.(Magic and Nets)

Magic: Not realistic, Aaron Gordon must be out. Vucevic and Biyombo still on the books.
Nets: Not realistic again, young team invested on Jarret Allen and Okafor at Center. Also Mozgov’s contract still on the books.

So, DJ’s market is really low as i pointed out above. If he somehow decide to opt-out, I dont think he can fetch more than 15 m$ per year. Best case scenario is If Lakers missed their primary targets, turns alternative options and sign DJ like Redick’s contract with Sixers. That will eat lakers cap and gave us a chance to sign some big name

In addition to that, if DJ’s market is as low as 15 m$ yearly, then a couple of capped out teams could reach him via Sign and Trade. S&T also means we will probably have an option to take some salary with additional asset in our favor.

However, we are also in a good position if he ends up opts-in his last year. He will be a valuable asset on 2019 trade deadline too.
We still good by not trading him inexchange for bad contracts and lame assets.

Exc post. Heard the same thing on the radio the other day, that DJ opting-in is a strong possibility where once it seemed a no-brainer. Jerry West has also noted that the money's just not out there this summer for any but the elite and DJ ain't one. [That's why Lou took so much less.]

[donemilio21]

Great post DieHardFan.
Here is the problem DJ has. He cannot opt-in after testing the market. So he may not want to take the risk and opt-in.
OR
get his new agent to orchestrate an opt-in and trade scenario like CP3 did last summer. That way a team can get his bird rights.

I believe unless a team has a similar or better option at center, or they are tanking/rebuilding, there will be interest in DJ. Any team that has good 3 point shooting, a decent PG and no bruising big to defend the paint would want DJ, they may try to sign him outright or do an S&T.
I think there is at least 15 teams who would be interested in DJ. However, none of them would offer him 4 year/$100 million contract. I think the best he'll get is going to be in the 3 year $65-70 million range.

[QRich3]

Yeah I've been saying this for a while, it doesn't really matter what DJ wants/expects to get, if there's no one offering it to him, he'll take the best offer and be done with it. Entirely possible he has to re-sign here at something like 4/70 or something like that. He's eligible to ask for a no-trade clause by the way.

[QRich3]

So apparently we were this close to sending DJ to Cleveland, but we refused to take on Shumpert in exchange for Crowder and the Cavs pick.

When Altman visited with James in the Cavaliers' practice facility a week ago, he let him know that there were still talks alive with the LA Clippers on a Jordan deal. What's more, there was significant progress: Altman had ownership approval to send the Clippers Jae Crowder, Channing Frye, Iman Shumpert and the Cavs' 2018 first-round pick for Jordan. The Clippers were willing to accept the trade, but on one significant condition.

Clippers general manager Michael Winger explained to Altman that LA didn't want another shooting guard. He hoped to find a third team that would take Shumpert and his $21 million with draft compensation, and have the Clippers get a center back. Altman and Winger agreed to make more calls to try to find a third team to make the deal work. Winger wondered whether Altman would let him talk to Shumpert's agent about a possible contract buyout, but Altman wanted trade talks to be further along before granting that permission.

Clippers president Lawrence Frank, Winger and Altman had talked for weeks on a trade, but they got nowhere. The Clippers wouldn't take Tristan Thompson, JR Smith or Shumpert in a deal, and that never changed. As Wednesday wore on, Altman became more convinced that a deal with Los Angeles was within reach -- only not with the Clippers.

[...]

Altman stayed on the phone with Winger on Thursday morning, keeping the DeAndre Jordan deal within reach. The Clippers were closing on a third team to take on Shumpert, and Altman had to determine whether he could create a pathway to a deal with that first-round pick still on its way to the Lakers. What's more, he had to decide: Were the Cavaliers motivated to extend Jordan's contract at over $100 million? The answer to both questions was no, and that's why Altman turned his attention back to selling the Jazz on a $1.1 million payment to the Kings.

Woj report

Good, DJ has more value than Hill, and the pick is probably not worth Shumps' salary. Also good in refusing to take Thompson or JR no matter what.

[Ranma]

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[MartinToVaught]

Frank needs to be fired immediately for even considering such a lopsided trade. The pick would have been the sticking point with any competent GM. Any trade not including the Brooklyn pick (the Cavs' only valuable trade asset) should have been a non-starter before even considering the players involved.

I'm done being patient with coaches pretending to be GMs. #FireFrank #FireDoc

[nickhx2]

standing pat was our best move, vs that trade. good on the FO.

[Ranma]

What's funny is that among the photos used for DeAndre Jordan's real-estate listing is a ping-pong area that has an illustrated portrait of Batman and Robin. With all the talk of the organization's attempt to elevate Blake Griffin to Batman status and his subsequent failure to launch into that role, that portrait might as well represent the basketball buddies with DJ in the Batman role given his noted affection for the fictional character. The thought of Griffin in Robin's goofy short-pants is both fitting and hilarious.

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[wco81]

He has a player option for $20 million next year with the Clippers?

But he's selling two SoCal homes.

So he must expect to get a better deal on the market? Or at least a longer contract?

[Vae Victus]

No one is giving DJ a big contract this offseason.

Tankers with cap space are tanking and Contenders are capped out. Not to mention is DJ is approaching the wrong side of 30 and his game is utterly predicated on athleticism. Once that falters he's totally useless out there.

DJ's only hope to get a big deal is via S&T. More likely the Logo will convince him to opt in and then trade his ass for assets just like he did with CP3.

I'm betting that he'll opt in and get traded. Best thing for all parties. DJ goes to a "contender", Clips get assets, DJ's new team gets a 1 year tryout and time to ascertain their future options with DJ without needing to commit to a huge deal (S&T) right off the bat.

Edit:

In regards to potential CLE trade at the deadline.

TT, Crowder, CLE 1st isnt terrible value for DJ if u think he's opting out

TT gives a 2 year stopgap starting C, maybe he can up his value enough to become a positive trade asset next trade deadline. His contract size isnt ideal, but with 30 mins of play in a ball movement offense he might look ALOT better.

Crowder is a system player who needs ball movement and spacing. The current offense moves the ball well and thus seems to be a good fit. However its a similar gamble with TT, maybe he can up his value by next deadline, or not.

However, if the Logo is pretty sure that DJ is gonna opt in, then he's betting he can get a better package during the offseason. It's a gamble but likely a smart one, as the poster so very well put together that FA cap space chart.

[Ranma]

Tristan Thompson is a decent enough player in his own right, but his contract would have prevented the Clippers from trading DeAndre Jordan for. As the tweet above referencing Iman Shumpert showed, the Clippers did not want his contract. However, the Clippers were supposedly willing to take back a center instead of a shooting guard, but I suspect their real motivation was clearing salary commitment. Crowder, Cleveland's own first-rounder, and the presumed targeted center are movable trade assets unlike Thompson or Shumpert.

As it has been reported before, the Clippers are more content with having DJ walk for nothing than taking on unwanted/immovable contracts.

[Dynamix]

He has a player option for $20 million next year with the Clippers?

But he's selling two SoCal homes.

So he must expect to get a better deal on the market? Or at least a longer contract?

Maybe he knows he won't get a lot of money anywhere, so he's selling his houses in favor of a decent-sized apartment.

[Quake Griffin]

OT:

Isn't Dan Fegan the guy who represented DeAndre in the Mavs fiasco? Didn't DeAndre can him?

Damn.
Hit by a bus and killed while driving his SUV.

[Quake Griffin]

DeAndre wants to play here for another 10 years

https://sports.yahoo.com/deandre-jordan-clippers-career-hope-can-play-another-10-years-171900317.html

[MartinToVaught]

So I guess he's opting in, then. I hope we can trade him. I'm nervous that the Clippers will get all sentimental on us and overpay him yet again for production that can be matched by other players on cheaper contracts.

[wco81]

Ten years?

How much longer will he have freak athleticism?

[Ranma]

During the press conference of Lou Williams' extension, Jerry West mentioned that the Clippers offered DJ an extension to which DeAndre Jordan responded on Twitter with an emoji of a monocled gentleman. West's aggravated tone also seemed to indicate that there was a wide disparity in negotiations.

Maybe DJ's camp comes back to earth after finding little interest in giving him big money in the off-season, but I doubt that he'll be with the Clippers beyond 2019.

[Vae Victus]

DJ opts in and the Logo gonna trade his ass for assets.

Problem is, what does the team do about starting C... i guess the simplest solution is trading for a stopgap in any DJ deal or drafting one and giving him a pile of mins. Boban is a fun player, but entirely situational. Ideally the team would have standard starting quality C, mobile stretch 4, and Boban against slower squads. Jarett Allen in BRK is a nice example of a young C drafted and brought along nicely, instead of being thrown into the fire and left to fend for himself.

Gallo/Harris 3/4 is pretty much set in stone. There's no cap space and plenty of decent players on reasonable deals means the roster doesnt have any major weaknesses other than C. Should make things interesting on what the Logo decides to going forward.

[Ranma]

I think Montrezl Harrell is a more than serviceable replacement for DJ, but we'd need a replacement for Harrell since, like Vae Victus said, Marjanovic is not ready for the backup center role.