Game 77: Clippers (41-35) host Pacers (45-31) on 04/01 @ 3:30 PM

[MartinToVaught]

The team was playing really well without a certain player, so Doc of course has to ruin it by subbing said player back in. And, right on cue, our offense grinds to a halt and the lead shrinks.

Ty Wallace is being made the scapegoat, but looking back, this is the moment our season truly ended. When Doc completely derailed our momentum by inserting a certain player. We were basically trying to play catch-up for the rest of the game after that.

[esqtvd]

narrative

Clippers went up when Oladipo went out of the game
THEN Pacers came when Oladipo came back in the game
had nothing to do with Austin, who wasn't even guarding him

then Austin got us back in with 11 points in the 3rd
those are the facts

same thing happened in the 4thQ
Clips pulled ahead until Oladipo came back
Oladipo's pretty good

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interesting
another NBA championship coach benched his $25M center
but that didn't work either

Hassan Whiteside has been fined by the Miami Heat an undisclosed amount for "comments detrimental to the team."

Whiteside went on an expletive-laden tirade after Miami's 110-109 overtime loss Saturday to the Nets.

Whiteside didn't play in the final 21 minutes on Saturday as the Nets went small.

Miami's highest-paid player questioned why the team is matching up when "we've got one of the best centers in the league."

"A lot of teams don't have a good center," Whiteside said. "They are going to use their strengths. It's bulls---. It's really bulls---, man. There are a lot of teams that can use a center."

Asked if the situation has caused him to contemplate his future in Miami, Whiteside replied, "I don't know. Maybe."

Whiteside has two seasons remaining on his four-year, $98 million deal with the Heat.

[MartinToVaught]

narrative

Clippers went up when Oladipo went out of the game
THEN Pacers came when Oladipo came back in the game
had nothing to do with Austin, who wasn't even guarding him

Austin's ballhogging and turnovers have plenty to do with Austin. The offense stagnates when he's in the game. He gets his stats at the expense of the team. He is the new Jamal Crawford.

You can't win with guys like Austin and DJ in key roles. We have better options already, but Doc is too stubborn and agenda-driven to notice.

[esqtvd]

narrative

Clippers went up when Oladipo went out of the game
THEN Pacers came when Oladipo came back in the game
had nothing to do with Austin, who wasn't even guarding him

Austin's ballhogging and turnovers have plenty to do with Austin. The offense stagnates when he's in the game. He gets his stats at the expense of the team. He is the new Jamal Crawford.

You can't win with guys like Austin and DJ in key roles. We have better options already, but Doc is too stubborn and agenda-driven to notice.

see, how this works is you present additional arguments and facts for your position
not just repeat the same subjective negative opinions over and over

[of course it's too much to expect you actually respond to the other person's points, like Olidapo's great play was far more a factor in swinging the game than any alleged shortcomings on Austin's part]

and no, there was nobody else

Ty played 37 minutes, as did Austin

Jawun is hurt and Sindarius can't run the point
only Austin and Lou can run the point
and Lou played 33 minutes, his limit

and neither are true PGs
there are no "better options"

besides, we shot 51.2%, better than the Pacers did
offense was not the problem

the problem was we gave up 35 points in the 4thQ

you have no facts

[Jonathan starks]

narrative

Clippers went up when Oladipo went out of the game
THEN Pacers came when Oladipo came back in the game
had nothing to do with Austin, who wasn't even guarding him

Austin's ballhogging and turnovers have plenty to do with Austin. The offense stagnates when he's in the game. He gets his stats at the expense of the team. He is the new Jamal Crawford.

You can't win with guys like Austin and DJ in key roles. We have better options already, but Doc is too stubborn and agenda-driven to notice.

see, how this works is you present additional arguments and facts for your position
not just repeat the same subjective negative opinions over and over

[of course it's too much to expect you actually respond to the other person's points, like Olidapo's great play was far more a factor in swinging the game than any alleged shortcomings on Austin's part]

and no, there was nobody else

Ty played 37 minutes, as did Austin

Jawun is hurt and Sindarius can't run the point
only Austin and Lou can run the point
and Lou played 33 minutes, his limit

and neither are true PGs
there are no "better options"

besides, we shot 51.2%, better than the Pacers did
offense was not the problem

the problem was we gave up 35 points in the 4thQ

you have no facts

Dude is all about the irrational hate

[Roscoe Sheed]

Wallace made an idiotic mistake. However Collison was playing like Superman. He seems to play out of his mind against the clippers- still upset the clippers didn’t re-sign him. Probably best to move on from doc. Seems like a lot of players have vendettas against him and play especially well against the clippers therefore. Not only that, this team can’t defend. Doc has done a good job this season considering the roster changes and injuries but I think it is time for a change

The Clips couldn't afford Collison and with CP around, couldn't offer a chance to start, which both the Kings and Pacers have given him.

As for Doc, maybe he should stay, maybe he should go, but I've never been a fan of "things can't get any worse" thinking. Things can always get worse, and there are a lot of crap coaches out there. Alvin Gentry has a job and this is only his 2nd winning season in 9 full years [and he was fired in the middle of 2 others!].




I know that is true about collison, but I’ve read interviews with him in which he says otherwise- that he wanted to come back but Doc was unwilling. They probably were right in letting him go, but Collison clearly still holds a grudge regardless.

I know that the team would be better with Beverley or Bradley but some of the problems are scheme related- they switch to mismatches way too frequently and easily

[esqtvd]

I know that is true about collison, but I’ve read interviews with him in which he says otherwise- that he wanted to come back but Doc was unwilling. They probably were right in letting him go, but Collison clearly still holds a grudge regardless.

A little of both, I guess. I'm sure the Clips would have given Collison the $2.1M they gave to Farmar, but gave the MLE to Spencer Hawes instead.

Which seemed like a great idea at that time.

I guess if we matched the money the Kings gave him, he would have been OK being the 3rd guard. But if there's a grudge, I can't see it. Unlike dumping Barnes [who didn't really do much after that anyway], Hawes-for-Collison was a purely basketball move and one that we all agreed with.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-fyi-20141103-story.html

Darren Collison's preference was to remain with the Clippers. It was just that he felt someone else made him more of a priority.

The first call Collison received when the free agency period began last summer was from the Sacramento Kings. They were offering their starting point guard job and a hefty raise.

"That's what you've got to go with," Collison, who signed a three-year, $16-million contract with the Kings, said Sunday before his new team's 98-92 victory over his former one. "You want to play for a team that really wants you first."

...

Collison opted out of a contract that would have paid him $1.985 million to return to the Clippers this season, seeking more money. The Clippers didn't pretend they could give it to him.

"I wanted to keep him," Clippers Coach Doc Rivers said. "I thought he would have been perfect for here forever. But I know math a little bit."

The Clippers were searching for an upgrade at small forward and eventually committed their mid-level exception of four years and $23 million to forward-center Spencer Hawes. They gave their biannual exception of two years and $4.2 million to Jordan Farmar to replace Collison, who averaged 11.4 points and 3.7 assists in his one season with the Clippers.

"My goal was to come back and try to help them win a championship," Collison said before detailing the Kings' pitch to make him part of their rebuilding efforts.

"When you leave a team that's contending for a championship, you want to make sure you're going to a team that's, if not doing the same thing, [at least] committed to winning. We're not where the Clippers are at as far as goal-wise, but at the same time, everybody's committed to winning."

This represents Collison's third starting job in his seven NBA seasons. He was replaced as a starter in both Indiana and Dallas but didn't need to sell Sacramento Coach Mike Malone on his upside because Malone had coached Collison as an assistant in New Orleans.

"His quickness, his ability to push the ball, create pace, his ability to pick up full court …" Malone said, ticking off a list of favorable attributes.

Rivers said he missed Collison's speed, locker room presence and ability to play alongside starting point guard Chris Paul.

"He could guard the ball at times and could give C.P., at times, some rest," Rivers said. "So far we haven't been able to do that. And so we miss that."

[esqtvd]

I know that the team would be better with Beverley or Bradley but some of the problems are scheme related- they switch to mismatches way too frequently and easily

Worth discussing. The D has changed over the past couple weeks and was different today. When Milos was playing we did a lot more man-to-man, trying to hide him on the SF, with Austin and WeJo and Sindarius pressuring the ball and only switching above the foul line.

With Gallo and Ty not only in today but starting [!], frankly I don't know what we were doing. WE didn't know what we were doing, with a brand-new team AGAIN, 2 guys who hadn't played in awhile [and I don't even want to bother looking up if they ever even played together before Friday against the Blazers!].


Switching is perfect when you have size you can use interchangably, and we had size with the original plan of 6'10" DJ, Blake and Gallo along with Austin at 6'4" and Pat Bev playing much bigger than his 6'1". You can stick Pat Bev on a 6'7" SF in a switch and he'll scrap his way through.

After that plan went to sh*t, I don't think we even have a scheme. It's been crisis mode, and whatever works quarter-to-quarter. Minute to minute!


Our scoring has been pretty consistent all year despite the revolving door due to injuries. But defense takes familiarity, and trust. The Pacers are hot right now and are running on all cylinders and we were trying to defend them with a pick-up team.

I mean, these guys are pretty good, esp that Victor dude.

Oladipo puts together absurd statline as Pacers get fifth straight win

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2018/04/01/pacers-top-clippers-victor-oladipo-drops-30-points-12-assists/473951002/