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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#201 » by nickhx2 » Tue May 1, 2018 5:39 pm

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MartinToVaught wrote:They're a very poor example, given how awful they've been in the playoffs. The team we had was flaming out in the playoffs with a decently high seed every year, and you're arguing for more of the same.


Way to leave out the part about CP3/Blake/DJ being better players, which is much more important to the argument, but I probably shouldn't expect that at this point. Carry on trying to talk yourself into a championship without players like CP3 :lol:

MTV doesn't like Paul due to a Griffin-Paul conflict thing and the worse Paul is the better Griffin supposedly looks, so you have to take that into account. Obviously players like CP3, that type of talent are needed to win a championship. For this specific team though Paul wasn't going to help us win, not due to lack of ability, but because we wouldn't be able to field the right talent. You can say "well look at Houston", but the big difference in Houston is that Harden is a far superior player to Blake. You could even argue that Capela for the current way the league functions is better than DJ. He's not as big or strong and can't rebound as well, but he's more mobile, he has a much better touch and better ball skills, and therefore is a far superior scorer.

In hindsight, just like Houston, we lucked out of having to deal with Melo. Hindsight is 20/20, but seeing how adamant Melo has been about changing his game, that is in contrast to some other guys who willingly do so, we should see ourselves as lucky that we didn't end up trying to make 33+ year old Melo into a championship impact player.



are you trying to tell us that not getting anthony didn't end up being a massive mistake? and we wouldn't just be hanging back and counting rings as we dominate with our 3-headed monster of cp3/blake/melo? all while golden state crumbles to oblivion without stephen curry?

cause people in this thread would try to convince otherwise.
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Post#202 » by Ranma » Wed May 2, 2018 3:56 am

nickhx2 wrote:are you trying to tell us that not getting anthony didn't end up being a massive mistake? and we wouldn't just be hanging back and counting rings as we dominate with our 3-headed monster of cp3/blake/melo? all while golden state crumbles to oblivion without stephen curry?

cause people in this thread would try to convince otherwise.


I've long known that Melo was a net negative player and advocated against trading for him, however, with the prospect of losing CP3 and/or Griffin, plus, being stuck with Doc with little in the way of tradeable assets, I admittedly gave in against my better judgment and passively supported acquiring him. It's similar to me signing off on trading a first-round pick to acquire Gallinari even though I've been quite wary of his injury history. Basically, if the organization was committed to seeing what CP3, BG and DJ could do together with more support/talent or gave BG a chance to spread his wings without CP3 after re-signing him, I didn't see us as having any other choice but to double down on such commitments at the respective times given those circumstances.

Thankfully, Jerry West helped to quickly salvage the situation by unloading Griffin onto the Pistons. Now we have to do the same with Gallo, Doc, Austin and quite possibly DJ. These are guys I don't see helping us contend over the next few years. We might not be able to clear out the dead weight entirely in a single off-season, but the hope is we'll be able to do it within 2 years.

It also goes to show why we shouldn't have personnel decisions reside either in a coach's hands or star player's. CP3 pushed for Doc to the point that it forced the organization's hand in trading a first-round pick for him. Then he wanted to bring his buddy Melo onboard, which was a questionable proposition even then. Had we done that and he pulled the Benedict Brand act on us, we'd have a repeat of the Baron Davis situation.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#203 » by MartinToVaught » Tue May 15, 2018 4:16 am

wassuphomeboy wrote:How are the "unbeatable" Warriors looking now? I thought nobody could beat them and nobody was supposed to even try?

They're looking pretty unbeatable so far.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#204 » by Quake Griffin » Tue May 15, 2018 11:09 am

I really hate terms like "statement game" but in the event such thing as a "statement game" exists....

LOL, it was yesterday.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#205 » by wassuphomeboy » Fri Jun 1, 2018 9:19 am

Warriors are still, ahem, highly suspect as a team without ref help, but it's obvious the NBA is going to keep rigging games for them because it's what the casuals want to see. If the NBA is going to be this blatant about its lack of competitive integrity, there's really less and less of a point watching every day if this keeps up.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#206 » by wassuphomeboy » Mon Jul 2, 2018 1:40 am

wassuphomeboy wrote:

I believe CP3 was a good enough player to build around and win the title, everyone else doesn't.

I think Melo would have made CP3 stick around.

I think LeBron would have eventually joined the Clippers if CP3 stuck around, everyone else doesn't.

I think the Rockets or Lakers will sign LeBron eventually because the Clippers missed out on an opportunity to do so for themselves, everyone else doesn't.

I think the Rockets are already good enough to beat the Warriors this year in the playoffs, everyone else doesn't.

I think either the Rockets or Lakers will become prohibitive title favorites by signing LeBron for the foreseeable future, everyone else doesn't think it's possible.

I don't think the 2019 FA class will be enough to beat a LeBron-led team to the title anytime soon, everyone else doesn't.

I think the Clippers messed up the CP3 cap space by signing an injury-prone Gallo and panic maxing Blake, everyone else actually refuses to address this.

I think the Clippers bungled the Blake situation and now will have trouble attracting FAs again in the future, everyone else doesn't.

I think superstars instead of cap flexibility are the way to go if the eventual goal is to win the title, everyone else doesn't.

I disagree with the direction this front office is taking the team, everyone else doesn't.

To me, the answer to these questions is something that can only be found in the future. Whether people will do so without bias is another story, but the arguments are out there, and I guess we'll see.


I think so, but what the league wants to have happen is another story.

Yup

Yup. And I will believe this till I go to my grave

Well....

Well.....

I still think so, but what the league wants to see is another story

Lakers will win at least once with LeBron, probably more

We'll see, but people never believe what I say until after the fact and then they pretend like I never said it, so

We'll see, but so far not so good

Well.....

We'll see, but so far still not so good

#VINDICATED

But I'm done being a fan of the league as it stands anyway. Take care and hope rooting for the Clippers brings as much happiness to you that it didn't always bring to me.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#207 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Jul 2, 2018 1:50 am

So to sum it up: you were wrong about LeBron joining Houston. (And don't bother saying "but I said 'or the Lakers' too!" You were far more adamant about him joining Houston than the Lakers.) You were wrong about Houston beating the Warriors. You were wrong about Portland being a contender. And you're claiming you've been "vindicated"? Yikes.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#208 » by wassuphomeboy » Mon Jul 2, 2018 1:52 am

I was right about LeBron not joining the Clippers, which is the most important part to me even if it evidently may not be to you. But why even bother at this point. Enjoy your "rebuild" and nitpicking at irrelevant semantics. Some things don't ever change.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#209 » by esqtvd » Mon Jul 2, 2018 2:13 am

wassuphomeboy wrote:#VINDICATED

But I'm done being a fan of the league as it stands anyway. Take care and hope rooting for the Clippers brings as much happiness to you that it didn't always bring to me.



I enjoyed every minute of winning 50+ games a season and whatever wins we managed in the playoffs. I had a great time for 6 months every year and I felt sorry for the people who spent the whole time whining and complaining that we weren't good enough to win the title. Well, they were right. We weren't. So what?

They wanted us to back up the truck? Well, it was backed up. We're back to the bottom. You got what you wanted.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#210 » by wassuphomeboy » Mon Jul 2, 2018 2:17 am

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wassuphomeboy wrote:#VINDICATED

But I'm done being a fan of the league as it stands anyway. Take care and hope rooting for the Clippers brings as much happiness to you that it didn't always bring to me.



I enjoyed every minute of winning 50+ games a season and whatever wins we managed in the playoffs. I had a great time for 6 months every year and I felt sorry for the people who spent the whole time whining and complaining that we weren't good enough to win the title. Well, they were right. We weren't. So what?

They wanted us to back up the truck? Well, it was backed up. We're back to the bottom. You got what you wanted.


I did too. I never wanted them to rebuild.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#212 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:35 am

Just out of curiosity: is anyone still upset with the Clippers not having CP3 and Melo under contract until 2022? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#213 » by Clemenza » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:02 pm

Houston and OKC have regressed. Minnesota is a complete mess. Dallas, Spurs are iffy to mediocre. Not sold on Utah fully. Denver can be beaten.

Baring injuries we'll be 5-7 at the end of the season
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#214 » by donemilio21 » Fri Nov 2, 2018 4:54 pm

Our schedule to start the season is very tough. In 13 out of first 14 games we play teams who finished over .500 last year. The next twelve games after? Only three had a winning season. if we can go 7-7 in the first 14 (three more wins in the next six), I think we will be in a good spot. A 15-11 or 16-10 record after 26 games is not out of reach.
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#215 » by wassuphomeboy » Sat Nov 3, 2018 12:47 am

Melo's cap-crippling 1 year, $2.4 million contract expires in 2019, not 2022.

More importantly, is anyone happy about the Clippers still not having LeBron, a ring, or even contending?

But, hey, what's more important than a ring is pushing one of the franchise's greatest players ever out the door as spitefully and vindictively as possible! :lol:
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Re: Vegas projects Clippers to win just 35 games next season without CP3 

Post#216 » by og15 » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:14 pm

wassuphomeboy wrote:Melo's cap-crippling 1 year, $2.4 million contract expires in 2019, not 2022.

More importantly, is anyone happy about the Clippers still not having LeBron, a ring, or even contending?

But, hey, what's more important than a ring is pushing one of the franchise's greatest players ever out the door as spitefully and vindictively as possible! :lol:
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