DeAndre Jordan Opts Out to Become Free-Agent

[statsman42]

This is pretty much the best possible outcome for me.

I echo Tucson: love DJ, and it was time for him to go.

AND, I live in Dallas, so I can watch him play any time I want. In fact, with Doncic, DSJ, DJ, and this being Dirk's likely farewell tour, I imagine I'll be doing that quite often. That's gonna be a fun group, even if they struggle to be a .500 team.

[mkwest]

DeAndre showed tremendous growth over the years from his debut with Mike Taylor up until the end. I believe that sometimes people chose to focus on what he wasn't rather than what he was. One of the the most valuable abilities is availability. He was an iron man that wouldn't miss a game unless he had pneumonia. He's the all-time NBA/ABA leader in career FG%. He's also the holder of numerous franchise records. He has been adored by teammates and fans due to his charming and outgoing personality. I will miss him, but I will also continue to root for him from afar.

[Ranma]

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[Galloisdaman]

I was just watching that DJ rebound thing. I used to see a couple of other NBA guys do that as well. Teammates usually do not like it. If its an honest mistake due to good hustle you can not fault the guy BUT if he is just doing it to pad his own stats that is another story. Occasionally a guy will knock a rebound out of bounds fighting his own guy for the ball. That is a bad thing for team moral.

[QRich3]

It's been happening since I can remember DJ playing tbh, and it happens in most teams too. This just happened to go viral for a bit, but it's a normal thing, specially for veteran C's.

Thing is, here it was no big deal cause Doc liked to leave DJ alone for the defensive rebound and the rest of they guys ready for transition offense. It appears Carlisle likes Luka to get the rebounds and push the tempo, and that will take some adjusting for DJ. It makes sense that DJ's the one running for a lob opportunity, but his stats will suffer and he will be running up and down the court without touching the ball most times, I can see how that's not gonna go well with him.

[Galloisdaman]

I used to shake my head when I saw a former Knicks player do the same thing years ago. In fact a few times I saw one Knicks player knock the ball out of bounds trying for a rebound with nobody around him when it would have been Knicks ball if he never touched it. Some guys are very cognizant of stats. Sometimes you see guys throw half court lobs right after the horn going in to halftime. Its because they don't want the missed shot goal attempt according to Doug Collins.

[QRich3]

I used to shake my head when I saw a former Knicks player do the same thing years ago. In fact a few times I saw one Knicks player knock the ball out of bounds trying for a rebound with nobody around him when it would have been Knicks ball if he never touched it. Some guys are very cognizant of stats. Sometimes you see guys throw half court lobs right after the horn going in to halftime. Its because they don't want the missed shot goal attempt according to Doug Collins.

I don't blame them tbh, there's probably millions of dollars at stake, you're gonna get a bigger contract if you are the league leading rebounder at 15 a game than if you're getting 12 and your team is doing better because you do what you're supposed to even if it doesn't show in the boxscore.

[Galloisdaman]

I used to shake my head when I saw a former Knicks player do the same thing years ago. In fact a few times I saw one Knicks player knock the ball out of bounds trying for a rebound with nobody around him when it would have been Knicks ball if he never touched it. Some guys are very cognizant of stats. Sometimes you see guys throw half court lobs right after the horn going in to halftime. Its because they don't want the missed shot goal attempt according to Doug Collins.

I don't blame them tbh, there's probably millions of dollars at stake, you're gonna get a bigger contract if you are the league leading rebounder at 15 a game than if you're getting 12 and your team is doing better because you do what you're supposed to even if it doesn't show in the boxscore.

I can't argue with your financial point. Better for the team? Not always. In my Knicks player example he would cause turnovers for the team by needlessly fighting his teams players and the out of bounds line for the ball to pad his stats. That player would often be the first guy to have the stat sheet in the locker room even after losses. He did get rewarded with a nice contract though.

[Ranma]

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[Dynamix]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25243455/nba-power-rankings-our-expert-panel-ranks-league-30-teams-ahead-week-5

Don't be deceived by DeAndre Jordan's solid statistics. He has been a major disappointment for the Mavs. He has rubbed teammates the wrong way with what they perceive as selfish play, the most blatant example being when he stole an uncontested rebound from Luka Doncic by putting his forearm in the prized rookie's back and tipping the ball away. Jordan's disinterest in playing help defense has been a big problem as Mavs opponents light up the scoreboard.
-- MacMahon

[Galloisdaman]

That all sounds shocking. I was surprised Cuban even wanted DJ after DJ backed out of the previous deal. That soap opera does sound interesting. Hopefully for DJ it passes.

[QRich3]

Eh, everyone's just picking this up because that clip of him pushing Doncic happened to go viral. He's been doing this exact thing for years, in the end he didn't even need to push Redick and Paul and them, because they just got out of the way when they saw him coming. Many people in the league do this too, specially centers.

The problem is, they're not doing a great job in Dallas of keeping him engaged and playing good defense, he's lacking effort and not being a good rim protector, and a part of that is that they don't give him these little cookies like Doc did: get your rebounds, you'll get the ball if you roll hard to the rim, etc. If you make him an off ball rim runner that barely touches the rock, and you encourage him to not care about his numbers in favor of the other guys, he's not gonna have a lot of motivation to do the small defensive things that made him great.

[Galloisdaman]

Eh, everyone's just picking this up because that clip of him pushing Doncic happened to go viral. He's been doing this exact thing for years, in the end he didn't even need to push Redick and Paul and them, because they just got out of the way when they saw him coming. Many people in the league do this too, specially centers.

The problem is, they're not doing a great job in Dallas of keeping him engaged and playing good defense, he's lacking effort and not being a good rim protector, and a part of that is that they don't give him these little cookies like Doc did: get your rebounds, you'll get the ball if you roll hard to the rim, etc. If you make him an off ball rim runner that barely touches the rock, and you encourage him to not care about his numbers in favor of the other guys, he's not gonna have a lot of motivation to do the small defensive things that made him great.

I would hope being on a one year deal with a new club would be a lot of motivation for DJ. Why did he only sign for one year?

[QRich3]

Probably cause no one was offering more, or if they did, it'd cut his salary in half.

DJ's always had motivation problems, that's one of the main reasons he fell to us in the 2nd round of the draft. They managed to keep him engaged for a while there, but you have to nurture the guy, or he'll lose focus. That's on him, but it's something they should've taken into account when they got him.

[Archx]

Eh, everyone's just picking this up because that clip of him pushing Doncic happened to go viral. He's been doing this exact thing for years, in the end he didn't even need to push Redick and Paul and them, because they just got out of the way when they saw him coming. Many people in the league do this too, specially centers.

The problem is, they're not doing a great job in Dallas of keeping him engaged and playing good defense, he's lacking effort and not being a good rim protector, and a part of that is that they don't give him these little cookies like Doc did: get your rebounds, you'll get the ball if you roll hard to the rim, etc. If you make him an off ball rim runner that barely touches the rock, and you encourage him to not care about his numbers in favor of the other guys, he's not gonna have a lot of motivation to do the small defensive things that made him great.

That's also the main issue with him. Luka is averaging 4TO's per game, and at least 2 come from miss passes to DJ because he doesn't even bother to roll to the basket. He is incredibly lazy. I think even the coach is starting to realize that and Kleber is getting more and more minutes. Also his defense is virtually non existent at this point. Trust me, Mavs players are doing their best to keep him involved on the offense but its frustrating to see how lazy he has become.

[Galloisdaman]

It is surprising because he is playing for his next contract. He is hitting 81% from the line. Have to give him some props for that improvement.