Game 19: Los Angeles Clippers (12-6) @ Portland Trail Blazers (12-7) - 6:00 PM PT

[Ranma]

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[Popovich]

Well this is why you don't have a Plus/Minus Bot coach your team. I've been saying that our grand strategy has been to have our starters play the other team's starters even and get fat when our better bench piles up the plus/minus. If Gortat eats up his 16 placeholder minutes at around zero, he did his job. That leaves Trezz at 32 minutes or less. [We sometimes play 3 guards, Tobias, and Gallo at the 5.]

But yes, sometimes our bench is clicking and you leave 2 or 3 of them in even when the opps put their starters back in. [Like if Lou is hot and Trezz is tearing it up.] OTOH, if Milos is getting fat on scrubs, it doesn't mean he can keep doing it against the opps' starters. This is why his on court/off court number is suspect--you don't put him on court against Lillard for any significant minutes, you just don't. It's not an absolute figure for him.

Bobi's tricky--sometimes he running up the numbers but comes back to earth when the other team puts a quick stretch-5 back out there. But every once in awhile you leave him out there to see what happens.

As I said, plus-minus is most useful in-game. A player might be minus-15 with the second unit but you leave him in with Tobias and he works his way back to zero. His plus/minus may be meh but he's really out there kicking ass. If you keep an eye on the plus/minus as the game rolls on, it tells the story of which combinations are working and what aren't.

Was Beverly as bad as his plus/minus yesterday? Hard to say. The whole unit was sucking, Lou was 2-13. Maybe Beverley prevented them from being worse!

OTOH, the first unit was way in the black. Why mess with it?

I agree, your logic is logical but man I thought you are an artist not a basketball coaching expert. Sometimes you have to trust your instincts & intuition and not a bare dry statistics.

[esqtvd]

Well this is why you don't have a Plus/Minus Bot coach your team. I've been saying that our grand strategy has been to have our starters play the other team's starters even and get fat when our better bench piles up the plus/minus. If Gortat eats up his 16 placeholder minutes at around zero, he did his job. That leaves Trezz at 32 minutes or less. [We sometimes play 3 guards, Tobias, and Gallo at the 5.]

But yes, sometimes our bench is clicking and you leave 2 or 3 of them in even when the opps put their starters back in. [Like if Lou is hot and Trezz is tearing it up.] OTOH, if Milos is getting fat on scrubs, it doesn't mean he can keep doing it against the opps' starters. This is why his on court/off court number is suspect--you don't put him on court against Lillard for any significant minutes, you just don't. It's not an absolute figure for him.

Bobi's tricky--sometimes he running up the numbers but comes back to earth when the other team puts a quick stretch-5 back out there. But every once in awhile you leave him out there to see what happens.

As I said, plus-minus is most useful in-game. A player might be minus-15 with the second unit but you leave him in with Tobias and he works his way back to zero. His plus/minus may be meh but he's really out there kicking ass. If you keep an eye on the plus/minus as the game rolls on, it tells the story of which combinations are working and what aren't.

Was Beverly as bad as his plus/minus yesterday? Hard to say. The whole unit was sucking, Lou was 2-13. Maybe Beverley prevented them from being worse!

OTOH, the first unit was way in the black. Why mess with it?

I agree, your logic is logical but man I thought you are an artist not a basketball coaching expert. Sometimes you have to trust your instincts & intuition and not a bare dry statistics.

There's a math to music. You have to be able to count all the way up to four. Sometimes even eight.


Yesterday's game was pretty classic: When Gortat left, we were even. We were down by 13 at the half and the bench were all -10 or so. Not brain surgery. Then the starters clamped down in a big 3rd quarter and that was the difference.

Yet the Clippers committed a season-low four turnovers and held the Blazers to 16-of-50 shooting in the second half.

The Clippers’ improved physicality on defense helped their 13-point halftime deficit vanish in minutes. The Blazers’ failure to break the game wide open late in the second quarter proved costly.

With Blazers center Jusuf Nurkic out the entire second half with a right shoulder contusion, pick-and-roll screens lost their bite and star guards Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum struggled to compensate for the lack of penetration with their outside shooting. Lillard, who scored 30 points, made four of 14 shots in the second half. McCollum had 18 points but shot three for 10 after halftime. The Clippers outscored Portland 38-16 during a third quarter Portland coach Terry Stotts called “extremely disappointing.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-trail-blazers-20181125-story.html

And that's how Avery got his plus+20. Yes, lucky Nurcic was out, but Avery's job is to give their guards hell and it apparently worked.

The bench played about even the rest of the way, as did the starters. [We lost the 4thQ 26-21, but survived the blow.]

Yes, there's an art to it--somebody can have a bad first half and wake up in the second--Gallo is a notoriously slow starter, but you don't give up on him. In fact, he's been a real PTP in the crunch lately.

Portland (12-8) missed its last three three-pointers — it shot eight of 38 from deep on the night — and Gallinari made key plays in the final minutes for a second consecutive game.

In the final three minutes he made a three-pointer, found an open Harris for a three with a cross-court assist and answered Lillard’s personal 7-0 run with a seven-foot jumper along the baseline for a 102-100 lead with 47 seconds left.

[Popovich]

Yes, there's an art to it--somebody can have a bad first half and wake up in the second--Gallo is a notoriously slow starter, but you don't give up on him. In fact, he's been a real PTP in the crunch lately.

I am not aware of this abbreviation but I guess it is "Player To Play" or "Person To Point"

[Galloisdaman]

Yes, there's an art to it--somebody can have a bad first half and wake up in the second--Gallo is a notoriously slow starter, but you don't give up on him. In fact, he's been a real PTP in the crunch lately.

I am not aware of this abbreviation but I guess it is "Player To Play" or "Person To Point"

With the way Gallo has been coming through late in games it could mean Prime Time Player.

[Popovich]

In fact, he's been a real PTP in the crunch lately.

I'll take your And1 click as a YES but I was serious, I still don't know what is the exact meaning and which one is correct?

[Popovich]

OK, thanks "GalloIsTheMan"

[simon24]

Big win Clippers! What's up with Jerome Robinson?

He's been spending time in the G-League.

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17/36 for 3 in G-League
5/9 for 3 with Clips

He's looking good. Can't wait to see him get some minutes.