Do you guys still want Doc Rivers gone?

[Max Headrom]

I've wanted him gone since the Houston series a few years ago and my opinion still hasn't changed since then. We are winning this year because of the deep roster that our front office put together, not because of Doc's coaching. His often-infuriating rotations and lack of adjustments only make it more difficult for the team to win.

A few early regular-season wins aren't enough to make me forget the historic playoff collapses, his abysmal track record as GM that we're still feeling the effects of (the Celtics will probably be getting our pick this year), or the Austin nepotism situation.

Who would you rather see in Doc's place?

He'd say Bud but Bud has a better team and in the East with a superstar and they are playing pretty bad lately. He just hates Doc no matter what.

[TheNewEra]

Yes

[Wammy Giveaway]

Doc is proven to be one of the best coaches in coaching and basketball expert community, I really don't know + he has results , I really don't know who can be better successor?

After Doc Rivers, who else is there? Almost every coach afterwards is a lame duck. Even their own assistants, yes Sam Cassell too, will be lame ducks.

Here's a better question: if NBA were like MLB, trading coach for coach, who would you trade for? The only honest way for Clippers to get an elite coach is to trade for one. You have the compensation pick, and you have the gag order of being barred from trading with that team for rest of season.

Say for example you want Nick Nurse. Well, you lose Kawhi Leonard.

You want Steve Kerr? You lose Kevin Durant, Draymond Green, and Klay Thompson.

You want Mike Budenholzer? You lose Giannis Antetokounmpo and Khris Middleton.

Your only option is to stick with Doc. He's your new Ralph Lawler, for better and for worse. Gotta live with it.

[Quake Griffin]

I've wanted him gone since the Houston series a few years ago and my opinion still hasn't changed since then. We are winning this year because of the deep roster that our front office put together, not because of Doc's coaching. His often-infuriating rotations and lack of adjustments only make it more difficult for the team to win.

A few early regular-season wins aren't enough to make me forget the historic playoff collapses, his abysmal track record as GM that we're still feeling the effects of (the Celtics will probably be getting our pick this year), or the Austin nepotism situation.

Who would you rather see in Doc's place?

He'd say Bud but Bud has a better team and in the East with a superstar and they are playing pretty bad lately. He just hates Doc no matter what.

What's wrong with being 15-7 and 2nd in the East 22 games into his tenure?

[Galloisdaman]

I think Doc could manage the bonus situations at the end of quarters a little better sometimes but that is me nitpicking. Hard to complain about the record, the teams great attitude, or much else nowadays.

[Ranma]

Just because things are going well doesn't mean we should ignore or dismiss failings since such things tend to be the downfall of great potential. Case in point, the team's tendency to blow big leads under Doc's watch. What's the point of even going to the postseason if we eventually succumb to Doc's habit of blowing 3-1 series leads or losing 20-point leads with regularity?

I've previously been critical of Doc's lack of defense early on during his first few years as the Clippers' coach. That was eventually addressed. I further pointed out our lack of depth and mismanagement of assets, which Doc apologists kept tolerating until competent front-office management finally solved those problems after years of neglect.

What some would call nitpicking, I could probably point to being dangerously negligent depending on the particular issue in question.

[Max Headrom]

Who would you rather see in Doc's place?

He'd say Bud but Bud has a better team and in the East with a superstar and they are playing pretty bad lately. He just hates Doc no matter what.

What's wrong with being 15-7 and 2nd in the East 22 games into his tenure?

They started out 7-0 and have been playing subpar since and haven't been looking good. They rely on making 3's and when the 3's aren't falling, their offense looks terrible...

And if Doc had a superstar like Giannis and that Bucks team and they started playing subpar like the Bucks have looked, MTV would call for Doc's head. Bottom line, the grass isn't always greener because if you go to the Bucks forum, a lot of them blame Bud's rotations and lack of offense for a lot of their losses.

Also, what's wrong with being 16-7 and tied for first place in a tougher western conference?? According to some posters, everything is wrong with it because Doc is the coach...

[esqtvd]

And if Doc had a superstar like Giannis and that Bucks team and they started playing subpar like the Bucks have looked, MTV would call for Doc's head. Bottom line, the grass isn't always greener because if you go to the Bucks forum, a lot of them blame Bud's rotations and lack of offense for a lot of their losses.

Also, what's wrong with being 16-7 and tied for first place in a tougher western conference?? According to some posters, everything is wrong with it because Doc is the coach...

LOL

people the same the world over

[Max Headrom]

And if Doc had a superstar like Giannis and that Bucks team and they started playing subpar like the Bucks have looked, MTV would call for Doc's head. Bottom line, the grass isn't always greener because if you go to the Bucks forum, a lot of them blame Bud's rotations and lack of offense for a lot of their losses.

Also, what's wrong with being 16-7 and tied for first place in a tougher western conference?? According to some posters, everything is wrong with it because Doc is the coach...

LOL

people the same the world over

It's just annoying as hell that the team is currently playing really well and yet all we get is posters complaining no matter what. Now I see why posters that used to be active don't post in the Clippers forum anymore and it's become pretty dry. The Debbie Downers make this forum unbearable most of the time. I'm probably gonna stop posting as well because this Clippers forum has become wack because of it...

[Galloisdaman]

And if Doc had a superstar like Giannis and that Bucks team and they started playing subpar like the Bucks have looked, MTV would call for Doc's head. Bottom line, the grass isn't always greener because if you go to the Bucks forum, a lot of them blame Bud's rotations and lack of offense for a lot of their losses.

Also, what's wrong with being 16-7 and tied for first place in a tougher western conference?? According to some posters, everything is wrong with it because Doc is the coach...

LOL

people the same the world over

It's just annoying as hell that the team is currently playing really well and yet all we get is posters complaining no matter what. Now I see why posters that used to be active don't post in the Clippers forum anymore and it's become pretty dry. The Debbie Downers make this forum unbearable most of the time. I'm probably gonna stop posting as well because this Clippers forum has become wack because of it...

1. Don't leave.
2. Every pro teams board even the Warriors have some fans who are down on players and coaches.
3. Don't leave.

[Max Headrom]

LOL

people the same the world over

It's just annoying as hell that the team is currently playing really well and yet all we get is posters complaining no matter what. Now I see why posters that used to be active don't post in the Clippers forum anymore and it's become pretty dry. The Debbie Downers make this forum unbearable most of the time. I'm probably gonna stop posting as well because this Clippers forum has become wack because of it...

1. Don't leave.
2. Every pro teams board even the Warriors have some fans who are down on players and coaches.
3. Don't leave.

Oh for sure, it's just that we can't even really discuss the team because the posters that hate Doc always turn every game thread or hell any thread in general into how terrible Doc is even though our record and team play would say otherwise. And those other forums have way more active posters so you can kind of drown out the posters that are like that. Not here, there aren't many active posters on this Clippers forum so they stick out like a sore thumb.

[Galloisdaman]

It's just annoying as hell that the team is currently playing really well and yet all we get is posters complaining no matter what. Now I see why posters that used to be active don't post in the Clippers forum anymore and it's become pretty dry. The Debbie Downers make this forum unbearable most of the time. I'm probably gonna stop posting as well because this Clippers forum has become wack because of it...

1. Don't leave.
2. Every pro teams board even the Warriors have some fans who are down on players and coaches.
3. Don't leave.

Oh for sure, it's just that we can't even really discuss the team because the posters that hate Doc always turn every game thread or hell any thread in general into how terrible Doc is even though our record and team play would say otherwise. And those other forums have way more active posters so you can kind of drown out the posters that are like that. Not here, there aren't many active posters on this Clippers forum so they stick out like a sore thumb.

I understand. I do not mind it here but I left a hockey board because it became so negative. With that said you are a good poster so I hope you stay. You can always put 1-2 people on ignore if need be but its not that bad here. People aren't talking about tanking daily or rooting against the teams players.

[esqtvd]

"When I came here, no free agent would say they wanted to play for the Clippers. My goal was to change that. Now, every free agent says they want to play in L.A. — and they don’t mean the other team, they mean both. So, to me, that is a real measure of success on how stable the franchise has become. The next step is getting them to sign, and then winning.

[Clippers owner] Steve Ballmer and I talk a ton. This is what every head coach has to have, a relationship with his owner, for us to be successful. I really, really believe that.


I thought it was the right thing by losing my title as the president of the Clippers last year. What people don’t get is that I hired [current Clippers president] Lawrence [Frank] the year before to do [that job]. I didn’t know I was going to lose my title, but I knew that I wasn’t going to do that job anymore. That’s why I hired Lawrence. So nothing changed as far as pay and everything else. For me, it just was too much. I enjoy coaching. I thought I had wanted to do both. I really did. But working with Lawrence, we are on the same page. And that’s how Danny and I were too. But I am more involved here as a coach, and that’s what I want to be. But there are so many other things that need to be done with the coaching part and the GM [general manager] part that it is impossible for you to do, and so it has been pretty nice to focus on coaching.

You learn in this job that there are going to be some highs. I had those. And there are going to be some lows. Some of the lows come when you’re good. If you look at the Clippers, all we’ve done is won, but we’ve had a lot of lows. You put yourself in a situation where you have a chance to win. And if you don’t win, then what comes with that is all the heat. I’d rather have that heat any day than have no chance. We respect that process and how hard it is to win. People think you can just win. Winning is hard. Everybody who has ever won can tell you that.

There are very few that can say they have won anything. As a coach winning an NBA title [in 2008 with the Boston Celtics], I am one of them that can. And I respect that. But what it’s done is make me hungrier with drive to get back there again."

http://theundefeated.com/features/doc-rivers-what-ive-learned-in-20-seasons-as-an-nba-head-coach/

[Quake Griffin]

Doc 'Gaslight' Rivers people.

[esqtvd]

The narrative says Doc plays favorites. The counternarrative says he doesn't give up on people. We shall see.

After shooting 33.6% from the field and 18.9% on three-pointers during his first 14 games, Avery Bradley has made 54.5% of his shots from the field and 50% of his three-pointers since the team began its road trip three games ago.

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[MartinToVaught]

Doc 'Gaslight' Rivers people.

Doc really is spinning it like a politician. He got demoted from the front office because he was the worst GM in history, but he wants to make it sound like it was all his idea.

[esqtvd]

Doc DID hire his replacement and completely restaffed the scouting and development teams, which were the smallest, cheapest and worst in the NBA under Sterling

get over it

[Quake Griffin]

Doc 'Gaslight' Rivers people.

Doc really is spinning it like a politician. He got demoted from the front office because he was the worst GM in history, but he wants to make it sound like it was all his idea.

It's a super gas light/ deniablity job that I'm not about.

2013: Hired to put a core over the top.
2018: Squawking like he's done something important by getting camps of Free Agents to leak to twitter heads that they may like the Clippers as a destination....like he was responsible for every other FA we've signed...like he was responsible for a big FA like LeBron meeting with us and indicating good things to CP3 about the franchise.

He needs to be thankful we have good ownership...one that hired Jerry West.
He needs to be thankful for SVG.
He needs to quit acting like he didn't fail with Lob City and that this was the plan all along. It's a joke.

I used to argue with Ranma about taking runs at Doc's character but a quote like that shows me how annoying he can be.

[esqtvd]

I know how you feel

[QRich3]

lol it really is funny how far he goes to try and make the narrative about him being the one who decided to step down, instead of being forced. Which is understandable because it might make a big difference in his future ability to find a job, but don't think many people are gonna believe him. He really is a very cheap politician.

That is one thing, and another is his ability to coach, which is still very useful. If anyone can't see both of those things for what they are, the problem is with them, not Doc. Thankfully the front office does see both of those things, and that gives me hope. They make decisions with their head and don't let themselves be carried by past resentment like fans do, and that bodes well for the future of this franchise.