Game 27: Toronto Raptors (21-7) @ Los Angeles Clippers (17-9) - 10:30 PM PT

[Quake Griffin]

Let's continue squawking like champions because we started hot. Let's continue going to every media outlet swearing that we aint no bitches, that every night with us is gonna be a tough night. Let's continue bragging about how this is a selfless group when they haven't faced in adversity this year (and still haven't imo). Number One team in Los Angeles.


Kawhi and his camp last night:
Well....it's still LA and I don't gotta play in LeBron's shadow. Right guys?.....Guys?

[Duffman100]

Confused as to why you guys didn't start Harrell against Ibaka and Boban/Gortat against JV.

[MartinToVaught]

Beverly and Bradley complete trash again. Even still Doc needs to bench Bradley and start Beverly at this point

10 days ago it looked like Avery had turned the corner


MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

Mon 12/3
@ NO
W 129-126 29 7-12 .583 1-4 .250 0-0 .000 3 2 1 1 5 3 15
Sun 12/2
@ DAL
L 110-114 36 5-11 .455 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 3 3 0 2 3 1 12
Thu 11/29
@ SAC
W 133-121 32 6-10 .600 4-7 .571 0-0 .000 3 6 1 0 4 3 16


oh well

The Austin Rivers Memorial Dog House is back
and the vote is unanimous

Even when Bradley was scoring more, he was playing selfish basketball and chucking egregiously terrible shots. He's just another Jamal/Austin, he does nothing positive for the team but will continue to get undeserved minutes because of Doc's favoritism.

[esqtvd]

Beverly and Bradley complete trash again. Even still Doc needs to bench Bradley and start Beverly at this point

10 days ago it looked like Avery had turned the corner


MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

Mon 12/3
@ NO
W 129-126 29 7-12 .583 1-4 .250 0-0 .000 3 2 1 1 5 3 15
Sun 12/2
@ DAL
L 110-114 36 5-11 .455 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 3 3 0 2 3 1 12
Thu 11/29
@ SAC
W 133-121 32 6-10 .600 4-7 .571 0-0 .000 3 6 1 0 4 3 16


oh well

The Austin Rivers Memorial Dog House is back
and the vote is unanimous

Even when Bradley was scoring more, he was playing selfish basketball and chucking egregiously terrible shots. He's just another Jamal/Austin, he does nothing positive for the team but will continue to get undeserved minutes because of Doc's favoritism.

I'm not surprised that's your opinion but the fact is he's really not taking minutes from anybody. We are NOT going to start Sindarius or Wallace, and Beverley's just as bad if not worse. They have both been disappointments but the smart thing to do has been to invest some PT in them and hope for improvement. Unlike G-Leaguers Sin and Ty, Avery and Bev have been first-team all-defensive team, which is real accomplishment as an NBA pro. Each is under 30. Strategically speaking, we are still 17-10 and have survived them so far. They are not costing us games, or more accurately, nobody currently on the roster is going to take their PT and win us games.

[TucsonClip]

Confused as to why you guys didn't start Harrell against Ibaka and Boban/Gortat against JV.

I was absolutely confused as well. Really didnt make any sense, although not like it would have mattered anyway.

[esqtvd]

Confused as to why you guys didn't start Harrell against Ibaka and Boban/Gortat against JV.

I was absolutely confused as well. Really didnt make any sense, although not like it would have mattered anyway.

Unlike the Doc of the CP/BG era, he is coaching strategically, not trying to win every game for playoff seeding. [That is, as opposed to coaching tactically, as if every game were a Game 7. Winning the battle but not necessarily the war.]


In 2018-19, we are not title contenders. Wins and losses are secondary. Doc's job is that we "play the game right" at all times, and preserve whatever is left of the Clippers winning tradition that started when one Chris Emmanuel Paul joined our ball club. Of any and all Clippers, Chris Paul played the game right.

Regardless of your talent level, you cannot win a title unless you "play the game right." Athletic talent--and/or energy and desire--can win any given game, but it cannot win 4 out of 7 games.

Which our beloved Montrezl Harrell is proving. He has all the desire in the world, but he is undersized and underskilled. And, frankly, that is not "playing the game right." He does not pass, he does not set screens, he does not block out. All the things that the overaged and still somewhat skilled Marcin Gortat can still do, at least a bit.


In short, Doc's choice of center can only be about what helps the rest. We have no center. I was never really a fan, especially at his $20M+ salary, but toldja we'd miss DJ. We're a playoff team cold if DJ were still here.

[Clemenza]

Its not just basketball.. The Pat Bev and Avery Show is just bad television period

[esqtvd]

Its not just basketball.. The Pat Bev and Avery Show is just bad television period

I hear you C but all Doc has to substitute is The Sin and Ty Show and that's strictly G-League. G-League is not even television. If you want to watch G-League you have to stream it on Facebook.


Ramna can pontificate all he wants that Shai should be getting 5 minutes more a night [which he will] but the fact is, Pat and Avery are not taking minutes away from anybody. Doc's playing the hand that Jerry dealt.

5 more minutes per game for the rookie is not going to win us more games, and even if it does, Shai is gonna hit the "rookie wall" in February or March. Even only 32 mpg at this point in Shai's career would be coach malpractice. Ramna just doesn't take the long view.

It's only early December, with 2/3 of the season left to go. Doc is playing Shai perfect.


This Doc hate has gotta go. This isn't 2015 or 2016 when he was the only game in Clippertown. There are 7 people currently doing Doc's old job. Doc is just one of the cogs. Let's get one thing straight--Doc, Lawrence Frank, Jerry West and Steve Ballmer are all on the same page. If I'm Doc and Jerry West tapped me on the shoulder and said, why don't you do this instead of that, Doc is gonna say OK, let's try it.

If Jerry West said that tomorry we should bench Avery and Bev, it would already be in the LA Times sitting on your doorstep right now.

[TucsonClip]

Confused as to why you guys didn't start Harrell against Ibaka and Boban/Gortat against JV.

I was absolutely confused as well. Really didnt make any sense, although not like it would have mattered anyway.

Unlike the Doc of the CP/BG era, he is coaching strategically, not trying to win every game for playoff seeding. [That is, as opposed to coaching tactically, as if every game were a Game 7. Winning the battle but not necessarily the war.]


In 2018-19, we are not title contenders. Wins and losses are secondary. Doc's job is that we "play the game right" at all times, and preserve whatever is left of the Clippers winning tradition that started when one Chris Emmanuel Paul joined our ball club. Of any and all Clippers, Chris Paul played the game right.

Regardless of your talent level, you cannot win a title unless you "play the game right." Athletic talent--and/or energy and desire--can win any given game, but it cannot win 4 out of 7 games.

Which our beloved Montrezl Harrell is proving. He has all the desire in the world, but he is undersized and underskilled. And, frankly, that is not "playing the game right." He does not pass, he does not set screens, he does not block out. All the things that the overaged and still somewhat skilled Marcin Gortat can still do, at least a bit.


In short, Doc's choice of center can only be about what helps the rest. We have no center. I was never really a fan, especially at his $20M+ salary, but toldja we'd miss DJ. We're a playoff team cold if DJ were still here.

All I mentioned was Trez was clearly the better matchup vs. Ibaka. Just like some nights Boban is the better matchup to start.

That's all. Also, it wouldn't have mattered.

[Max Headrom]

Raptors blew the Warriors out tonight in Oakland so, they're definitely still a great team without Kawhi. Last night doesn't seem so bad. And honestly, fatigue is the thing beating the Clippers right now. I was at the game last night and the only person that had any energy was Pat Bev. They just need a little bit of rest.

[esqtvd]

That's all. Also, it wouldn't have mattered.

I hear that part, Jeff. It wouldn't have mattered. Because Trezz is not a starting center in the NBA. At 6'7 and-a-half he's not a center in the NBA because he can't even stretch-5 like Draymond can. Who's not a starting center in the NBA.

Trezz can't rim protect or rebound like DJ, and he's also useless on the pick'n'roll because he doesn't seem to be able to set screens. [The "pick" part of 'pick and roll.']

He'd be a great power forward but he can't play PF because he can't chase stretch-4s out to the 3-point line.

Did I miss anything? Trezz plays playground ball. Runs both ends of the court. But he's not an NBA 5 and can't play the 4. Otherwise he's perfect. Pls advise.

[esqtvd]

Raptors blew the Warriors out tonight in Oakland so, they're definitely still a great team without Kawhi. Last night doesn't seem so bad. And honestly, fatigue is the thing beating the Clippers right now. I was at the game last night and the only person that had any energy was Pat Bev. They just need a little bit of rest.

Doc said the same thing, as of the 1st Quarter he saw they were already gassed. Getting off the plane after an away OT game to play a "home' game, his boyz was already knackered when they showed up at Staples.




Not surprising Pat Bev was the only one with 'ENERGY,' even after a loss. He is quantifiably contributing little else outside his mouth. Rock on, Pat. Better than blaming. Mouth on.

[TucsonClip]

That's all. Also, it wouldn't have mattered.

I hear that part, Jeff. It wouldn't have mattered. Because Trezz is not a starting center in the NBA. At 6'7 and-a-half he's not a center in the NBA because he can't even stretch-5 like Draymond can. Who's not a starting center in the NBA.

Trezz can't rim protect or rebound like DJ, and he's also useless on the pick'n'roll because he doesn't seem to be able to set screens. [The "pick" part of 'pick and roll.']

He'd be a great power forward but he can't play PF because he can't chase stretch-4s out to the 3-point line.

Did I miss anything? Trezz plays playground ball. Runs both ends of the court. But he's not an NBA 5 and can't play the 4. Otherwise he's perfect. Pls advise.

The point that it wouldnt have matter was because the Raptors shot 52% from the floor and 48% from three. Bill Russell could have been playing center... it wouldnt have mattered.

Not sure what the big deal is.

[esqtvd]

That's all. Also, it wouldn't have mattered.

I hear that part, Jeff. It wouldn't have mattered. Because Trezz is not a starting center in the NBA. At 6'7 and-a-half he's not a center in the NBA because he can't even stretch-5 like Draymond can. Who's not a starting center in the NBA.

Trezz can't rim protect or rebound like DJ, and he's also useless on the pick'n'roll because he doesn't seem to be able to set screens. [The "pick" part of 'pick and roll.']

He'd be a great power forward but he can't play PF because he can't chase stretch-4s out to the 3-point line.

Did I miss anything? Trezz plays playground ball. Runs both ends of the court. But he's not an NBA 5 and can't play the 4. Otherwise he's perfect. Pls advise.

The point that it wouldnt have matter was because the Raptors shot 52% from the floor and 48% from three. Bill Russell could have been playing center... it wouldnt have mattered.

Not sure what the big deal is.

N big deal, Jeff. But I think the lack of rim protection also extends to the inside-out game, not just the paint itself.