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Re: Further - Should Green Have Been Ejected? A Lesson In Karma 

Post#41 » by esqtvd » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:06 am

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That's what I got off of tonight's game vs. Warriors. Gilgeous-Alexander made a rookie mistake where he could have tear dropped a shot but instead passed it to Bradley because he wanted the dagger, a highlight reel play that would have demoralized the Warriors to a sulking defeat. There are acceptable times of gluttony in basketball, but when it's a close game with some time remaining, two things to keep in mind are the lead and the shot clock. Clippers were one point away from taking the lead; a two-pointer was dandy. What if that same moment was less than a second left, and the moment you either made the pass or shot the ball yourself en route to the cup, the game was over. Now it becomes a Sudden Death Shot. If you passed the ball for a 3-point dagger, you would have lost instantly. Always go for the shot even with the fear of the opponent having just a tenth of a second for their own hero ball shot. But because Shai made the wrong decision with the pass for a Bradley 3-pointer, the Clippers were immediately punished with a Curry 3, with Bradley fouling for good karmic measure.



Shai played 28 minutes, scored 3 points with 2 assists but 2 turnovers, and finished with by far a team-worst minus-15. He sucked across the board.

You could call it karma, or just that Shai is struggling bigtime because he also had a crap game vs. the Mavs, a team-worst minus-19 where every other starter was in the plus, even Gortat.

Everybody struggles from time to time. I believe in Shai. And this was his first exposure to championship-level NBA basketball, playing the Dubs, one of the greatest teams of all time. Shai's mind was blown, as well it should have.

Even against the greatest guard tandem in the league, Avery and Pat Bev had pretty good games, they're veterans. Next time Shai faces GSW, he'll be a veteran too. :wink:
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Re: Further - Should Green Have Been Ejected? A Lesson In Karma 

Post#42 » by Galloisdaman » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:31 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Wammy Giveaway wrote:
That's what I got off of tonight's game vs. Warriors. Gilgeous-Alexander made a rookie mistake where he could have tear dropped a shot but instead passed it to Bradley because he wanted the dagger, a highlight reel play that would have demoralized the Warriors to a sulking defeat. There are acceptable times of gluttony in basketball, but when it's a close game with some time remaining, two things to keep in mind are the lead and the shot clock. Clippers were one point away from taking the lead; a two-pointer was dandy. What if that same moment was less than a second left, and the moment you either made the pass or shot the ball yourself en route to the cup, the game was over. Now it becomes a Sudden Death Shot. If you passed the ball for a 3-point dagger, you would have lost instantly. Always go for the shot even with the fear of the opponent having just a tenth of a second for their own hero ball shot. But because Shai made the wrong decision with the pass for a Bradley 3-pointer, the Clippers were immediately punished with a Curry 3, with Bradley fouling for good karmic measure.



Shai played 28 minutes, scored 3 points with 2 assists but 2 turnovers, and finished with by far a team-worst minus-15. He sucked across the board.

You could call it karma, or just that Shai is struggling bigtime because he also had a crap game vs. the Mavs, a team-worst minus-19 where every other starter was in the plus, even Gortat.

Everybody struggles from time to time. I believe in Shai. And this was his first exposure to championship-level NBA basketball, playing the Dubs, one of the greatest teams of all time. Shai's mind was blown, as well it should have.

Even against the greatest guard tandem in the league, Avery and Pat Bev had pretty good games, they're veterans. Next time Shai faces GSW, he'll be a veteran too. :wink:


Curry is great so I will not bash anyone when he scores 36 points BUT I'm not sure why you are saying Avery had a good game against them. Is it all about plus/minus? I think you are a very good poster but Curry put up 42 points on 22 FGA. That is a great game by Curry. Bradley to his credit scored 12 of his own points but that battle was a big L. Not that there is any shame in that. Curry averages around 29 points a game because he is that good. He and Durant are both top 30 players of all time. Maybe both will end up top 20.

Edit: Maybe I'm reading your post wrong. Are you just saying that Avery and Bev played Curry much better than SGA?
My eyes glaze over when reading alternative stat (not advanced stat) narratives that go many paragraphs long. If you can not make your point in 2 paragraphs it may not be a great point. :D
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Re: Further - Should Green Have Been Ejected? A Lesson In Karma 

Post#43 » by esqtvd » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:18 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Wammy Giveaway wrote:
That's what I got off of tonight's game vs. Warriors. Gilgeous-Alexander made a rookie mistake where he could have tear dropped a shot but instead passed it to Bradley because he wanted the dagger, a highlight reel play that would have demoralized the Warriors to a sulking defeat. There are acceptable times of gluttony in basketball, but when it's a close game with some time remaining, two things to keep in mind are the lead and the shot clock. Clippers were one point away from taking the lead; a two-pointer was dandy. What if that same moment was less than a second left, and the moment you either made the pass or shot the ball yourself en route to the cup, the game was over. Now it becomes a Sudden Death Shot. If you passed the ball for a 3-point dagger, you would have lost instantly. Always go for the shot even with the fear of the opponent having just a tenth of a second for their own hero ball shot. But because Shai made the wrong decision with the pass for a Bradley 3-pointer, the Clippers were immediately punished with a Curry 3, with Bradley fouling for good karmic measure.



Shai played 28 minutes, scored 3 points with 2 assists but 2 turnovers, and finished with by far a team-worst minus-15. He sucked across the board.

You could call it karma, or just that Shai is struggling bigtime because he also had a crap game vs. the Mavs, a team-worst minus-19 where every other starter was in the plus, even Gortat.

Everybody struggles from time to time. I believe in Shai. And this was his first exposure to championship-level NBA basketball, playing the Dubs, one of the greatest teams of all time. Shai's mind was blown, as well it should have.

Even against the greatest guard tandem in the league, Avery and Pat Bev had pretty good games, they're veterans. Next time Shai faces GSW, he'll be a veteran too. :wink:


Curry is great so I will not bash anyone when he scores 36 points BUT I'm not sure why you are saying Avery had a good game against them. Is it all about plus/minus? I think you are a very good poster but Curry put up 42 points on 22 FGA. That is a great game by Curry. Bradley to his credit scored 12 of his own points but that battle was a big L. Not that there is any shame in that. Curry averages around 29 points a game because he is that good. He and Durant are both top 30 players of all time. Maybe both will end up top 20.

Edit: Maybe I'm reading your post wrong. Are you just saying that Avery and Bev played Curry much better than SGA?



The stats indicate so. Shai had a terrible game.

    Shai played 28 minutes, scored 3 points with 2 assists but 2 turnovers, and finished with by far a team-worst minus-15. He sucked across the board.


Beverley had 10 points and was plus+9. Avery had 12, and guarding Curry all game, was only minus-4, which is a miracle considering how great Curry is.

Shai's minus-15 stands out because Harris's minus-8 was the next worst, then Harrell with only minus-6, Avery, and only a couple others at minus-1 or 2. Like I said before, plus/minus isn't everything but when one guy's number is a lot worse than the people he plays most with, it's a red flag.
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Re: Further - Should Green Have Been Ejected? A Lesson In Karma 

Post#44 » by Galloisdaman » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:32 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
esqtvd wrote:

Shai played 28 minutes, scored 3 points with 2 assists but 2 turnovers, and finished with by far a team-worst minus-15. He sucked across the board.

You could call it karma, or just that Shai is struggling bigtime because he also had a crap game vs. the Mavs, a team-worst minus-19 where every other starter was in the plus, even Gortat.

Everybody struggles from time to time. I believe in Shai. And this was his first exposure to championship-level NBA basketball, playing the Dubs, one of the greatest teams of all time. Shai's mind was blown, as well it should have.

Even against the greatest guard tandem in the league, Avery and Pat Bev had pretty good games, they're veterans. Next time Shai faces GSW, he'll be a veteran too. :wink:


Curry is great so I will not bash anyone when he scores 36 points BUT I'm not sure why you are saying Avery had a good game against them. Is it all about plus/minus? I think you are a very good poster but Curry put up 42 points on 22 FGA. That is a great game by Curry. Bradley to his credit scored 12 of his own points but that battle was a big L. Not that there is any shame in that. Curry averages around 29 points a game because he is that good. He and Durant are both top 30 players of all time. Maybe both will end up top 20.

Edit: Maybe I'm reading your post wrong. Are you just saying that Avery and Bev played Curry much better than SGA?



The stats indicate so. Shai had a terrible game.

    Shai played 28 minutes, scored 3 points with 2 assists but 2 turnovers, and finished with by far a team-worst minus-15. He sucked across the board.


Beverley had 10 points and was plus+9. Avery had 12, and guarding Curry all game, was only minus-4, which is a miracle considering how great Curry is.

Shai's minus-15 stands out because Harris's minus-8 was the next worst, then Harrell with only minus-6, Avery, and only a couple others at minus-1 or 2. Like I said before, plus/minus isn't everything but when one guy's number is a lot worse than the people he plays most with, it's a red flag.


I agree that SGA had a tough time. I don't really believe in judging guys via plus/minus because up to 90% of it is out of a guys control. If 2 players (say Avery and SGA) played with the same guys for the same minutes vs the same players on the other team than both their plus/minus would be the same regardless of how they played individually so its not apples to apples to compare guys plus minus. There are multiple variables that they may have had no control over. Does that mean it is useless? It is at times and it is not at times. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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