stitches wrote:esqtvd wrote:
not really a refutation
no we don't know if the Jazz made a run at him
but they had more room on the roster and PT to offer
and surely could have outbid the Clips, who bid, well, nothing really
in fact, if the Jazz were onto Ingles, it would have been malpractice to let the Clips get first shot at him
the Jazz took a flyer on Ingles and it paid off
there is no deeper meaning than that
There are different levels to being onto a player. Noone is suggesting the Jazz knew Ingles will be what he's become. If they did they should have offered him guaranteed contract to begin with rather than a camp deal(which I assume would have been enough to get him on the Jazz rather than on the Clippers in pre-season). The point I was trying to make is that the Jazz have a pattern of trusting their long-term scouting on players like that, even though their latest play didn't suggest they should. It was Ingles several years ago, it was O'Neale last year and the newest project like that is Niang... they again gave him a guaranteed contract when few people outside of the Jazz thought they should.
The reality is those are 14-15th man on the roster to begin and if they crack the rotation it should be celebrated as a success.
Well we agree about Ingles being more luck than genius, and there is something to be said about end-of-the-bench types becoming rotation players.
And of course the Jazz stole Rudy Gobert at #27 for a crap pick [#42] and some cash. OTOH, they crapped out on Trey Burke at #9 in the very same draft [for which they traded the #14 and #21].
Hey, there's a lot to like in it, but the Jazz' record is kind of schizophrenic. Nothing much with their 2nd rounders, and there's a lot of busts in here with their higher picks, like Burke, Burks, Kanter, Hood, Lyles, and possibly Exum. Hayward was a hit, and of course Lyles-for-Donovan Mitchell saved that draft mistake. But they may regret trading Josh Hart for somebody named Tony Bradley, and Taurean Prince only bought a few months of George Hill, who was dumped for journeyman Jae Crowder. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I like the Jazz but after all this scouting and drafting, they're still a middling team.
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