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Game 47: Los Angeles Clippers (25-21) @ Dallas Mavericks (20-26) 5:30 PM PT

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Then Maybe Play Players Who Can Shoot 

Post#21 » by Ranma » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:20 am

I get that Rome has an incomplete game and is a rookie but the kid has playmaking acumen and is a polished shooter. Assuming health is not an issue, we'd benefit greatly if Doc was capable of encouraging or otherwise developing this kid.

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Re: Where are the Changes? 

Post#22 » by esqtvd » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:35 am

Ranma wrote:Rome needs to get more playing time and we need to run plays for him. I've been saying that, but like other directives, Doc stubbornly won't implement them.

I've missed most of the game but our defense seemed to have kept us in the contest while our inefficient offense looks to be our downfall, particularly from Tobias, Bradley and Shai.


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We have a top ten offense all year (Gallo out tonight, Lou rusty) and a bottom five defense but now offense is the problem.

Rome has been an injury-prone G-Leaguer but now we're supposed to run plays for him.

Doc is stubborn. Rome's been up for two days and now he's a focal point of the offense.


OK.


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Re: Game 47: Los Angeles Clippers (25-21) @ Dallas Mavericks (20-26) 5:30 PM PT 

Post#23 » by donemilio21 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:41 am

Did Harris even want to play tonight? He was disengaged on defense and couldn't make a shot to save his life. Another frustrating loss. We fought hard as a team, and played good D in general, but then we just couldn't make shots. Not only that, we just kept running weird sets, and kept forcing tough shots.
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Re: Game 47: Los Angeles Clippers (25-21) @ Dallas Mavericks (20-26) 5:30 PM PT 

Post#24 » by Roscoe Sheed » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:36 pm

It may just be the availability heuristic but it seems like players that the general board dismiss as sorry or over the hill light up the clippers on a frequent basis- like Rudy gay, Harrison Barnes, and devin Harris
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Re: Where are the Changes? 

Post#25 » by TheNewEra » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:45 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Ranma wrote:Rome needs to get more playing time and we need to run plays for him. I've been saying that, but like other directives, Doc stubbornly won't implement them.

I've missed most of the game but our defense seemed to have kept us in the contest while our inefficient offense looks to be our downfall, particularly from Tobias, Bradley and Shai.


CLIPPERS REPORT REPORT.

We have a top ten offense all year (Gallo out tonight, Lou rusty) and a bottom five defense but now offense is the problem.

Rome has been an injury-prone G-Leaguer but now we're supposed to run plays for him.

Doc is stubborn. Rome's been up for two days and now he's a focal point of the offense.


OK.


Bradley sucks, just in case you forgot.


Nothing wrong with looking to get scorers going. You think when random middle to end of bench players light us up in games the opposing teams stop him because he wasn’t in the regular rotation?
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Re: Game 47: Los Angeles Clippers (25-21) @ Dallas Mavericks (20-26) 5:30 PM PT 

Post#26 » by Clemenza » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:57 pm

Rare game where both Pat Bev and Avery played well. Time to keep Motley and Robinson in the rotation. I would even move Robinson up above Thronwell and Wallace who aren't even knocking down free throws let alone shots. Lou shouldn't have played and Tobias is so disappointing. Matter of fact the game was lost soon as the starters were inserted back into the game late in the 4th. Oh well, on to Miami.
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Re: Game 47: Los Angeles Clippers (25-21) @ Dallas Mavericks (20-26) 5:30 PM PT 

Post#27 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:42 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:It may just be the availability heuristic but it seems like players that the general board dismiss as sorry or over the hill light up the clippers on a frequent basis- like Rudy gay, Harrison Barnes, and devin Harris


I think Barnes is scoring as well as ever but I do understand your point.
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Re: Then Maybe Play Players Who Can Shoot 

Post#28 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:46 pm

Ranma wrote:I get that Rome has an incomplete game and is a rookie but the kid has playmaking acumen and is a polished shooter. Assuming health is not an issue, we'd benefit greatly if Doc was capable of encouraging or otherwise developing this kid.

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If the games are already decided (not last game) I would really try to build that kids confidence by getting him his shots. Its hard for some rookies to have confidence. Put him in a role where he can gain some to build on for his future. The defense is likely not going to come this season but shooting is shooting. If they can get him open he should be able to knock down some good looks.
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Post#29 » by Ranma » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:48 pm

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Re: Game 47: Los Angeles Clippers (25-21) @ Dallas Mavericks (20-26) 5:30 PM PT 

Post#30 » by Galloisdaman » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:43 pm

I think Montrel is great but I think its much different playing against the leagues best players and the leagues bench players.
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Trezz Capable of Going Against Non-Center Big Boys 

Post#31 » by Ranma » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:43 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:I think Montrel is great but I think its much different playing against the leagues best players and the leagues bench players.


The thing is that I think he'd play well as a starting power forward and he's great as the center off the bench. The key is managing his minutes properly given his non-stop, energetic style of play. He's not a stretch 4 by any imagination, but he provides the grit and physicality that makes things happen, especially against today's power forwards. I'm not saying he's the best option to be the Clippers' starting power forward since that is stilll clearly Gallo when healthy but I wouldn't underestimate Harrell's ability to play against top players. It just depends on which position he'd be playing them at and how tired he'd be.
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Re: Trezz Capable of Going Against Non-Center Big Boys 

Post#32 » by Galloisdaman » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:46 am

Ranma wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:I think Montrel is great but I think its much different playing against the leagues best players and the leagues bench players.


The thing is that I think he'd play well as a starting power forward and he's great as the center off the bench. The key is managing his minutes properly given his non-stop, energetic style of play. He's not a stretch 4 by any imagination, but he provides the grit and physicality that makes things happen, especially against today's power forwards. I'm not saying he's the best option to be the Clippers' starting power forward since that is stilll clearly Gallo when healthy but I wouldn't underestimate Harrell's ability to play against top players. It just depends on which position he'd be playing them at and how tired he'd be.


I agree that he can play well against the leagues starters but the leagues starters will score better than the backups which will often effect those net ratings.
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Fine Cog in Clock 

Post#33 » by Ranma » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:53 am

Galloisdaman wrote:I agree that he can play well against the leagues starters but the leagues starters will score better than the backups which will often effect those net ratings.


Obviously, but Harrell will be a handful for the opposition to handle regardless of starter or bench player.
My only concern is whether he'll be facing starting centers or playing too many minutes. Even if he is slightly less effective against starters, he'll make a difference. He's not taking on the entire team by himself, he's only matching up against a single player and will benefit from having better teammates as well. It's not that big of a deal in terms of +/-.
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Re: Fine Cog in Clock 

Post#34 » by Galloisdaman » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:24 am

Ranma wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:I agree that he can play well against the leagues starters but the leagues starters will score better than the backups which will often effect those net ratings.


Obviously, but Harrell will be a handful for the opposition to handle regardless of starter or bench player.
My only concern is whether he'll be facing starting centers or playing too many minutes. Even if he is slightly less effective against starters, he'll make a difference. He's not taking on the entire team by himself, he's only matching up against a single player and will benefit from having better teammates as well. It's not that big of a deal in terms of +/-.


I'm not disagreeing with you regarding Trezz. I just have an issue when compare starters and backups only via plus/minus. I see it as apples and oranges.
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In Agreement with Clarification 

Post#35 » by Ranma » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:27 am

Galloisdaman wrote:I'm not disagreeing with you regarding Trezz. I just have an issue when compare starters and backups only via plus/minus. I see it as apples and oranges.


I agree with you that plus/minus rating is not the be all and end all since I've said as much in the past but it's still helpful. Plus, if you play enough minutes, there's less of a need to qualify going against starters and bench players.
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Re: Where are the Changes? 

Post#36 » by esqtvd » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:22 am

TheNewEra wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Ranma wrote:Rome needs to get more playing time and we need to run plays for him. I've been saying that, but like other directives, Doc stubbornly won't implement them.

I've missed most of the game but our defense seemed to have kept us in the contest while our inefficient offense looks to be our downfall, particularly from Tobias, Bradley and Shai.


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We have a top ten offense all year (Gallo out tonight, Lou rusty) and a bottom five defense but now offense is the problem.

Rome has been an injury-prone G-Leaguer but now we're supposed to run plays for him.

Doc is stubborn. Rome's been up for two days and now he's a focal point of the offense.


OK.


Bradley sucks, just in case you forgot.


Nothing wrong with looking to get scorers going. You think when random middle to end of bench players light us up in games the opposing teams stop him because he wasn’t in the regular rotation?

Top ten offense and a bottom five defense. I'd like to diplomatically say that we're talking past each other, but I'm not talking past you.

If we had zero offense, maybe Rome could pull a Devin Booker and get us 20 ppg.

But we already have Tobias and Gallo.

The problem is we don't have anyone over 6'2" who really brings it on D. Gallo and Trezz give it hell, but the rest are why we're bottom five.
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Re: Where are the Changes? 

Post#37 » by TheNewEra » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:31 am

esqtvd wrote:
TheNewEra wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
CLIPPERS REPORT REPORT.

We have a top ten offense all year (Gallo out tonight, Lou rusty) and a bottom five defense but now offense is the problem.

Rome has been an injury-prone G-Leaguer but now we're supposed to run plays for him.

Doc is stubborn. Rome's been up for two days and now he's a focal point of the offense.


OK.


Bradley sucks, just in case you forgot.


Nothing wrong with looking to get scorers going. You think when random middle to end of bench players light us up in games the opposing teams stop him because he wasn’t in the regular rotation?

Top ten offense and a bottom five defense. I'd like to diplomatically say that we're talking past each other, but I'm not talking past you.

If we had zero offense, maybe Rome could pull a Devin Booker and get us 20 ppg.

But we already have Tobias and Gallo.

The problem is we don't have anyone over 6'2" who really brings it on D. Gallo and Trezz give it hell, but the rest are why we're bottom five.



Jerome seems to be getting better as a decent defender tho he has a long way to go. The whole clamp city thing is dead and gone we just don’t have the effort and unity on defense to be much better than what we are now. If nothing else we should maximize the offense to its highest potential.
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Re: Fine Cog in Clock 

Post#38 » by esqtvd » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:55 am

Galloisdaman wrote:
Ranma wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:I agree that he can play well against the leagues starters but the leagues starters will score better than the backups which will often effect those net ratings.


Obviously, but Harrell will be a handful for the opposition to handle regardless of starter or bench player.
My only concern is whether he'll be facing starting centers or playing too many minutes. Even if he is slightly less effective against starters, he'll make a difference. He's not taking on the entire team by himself, he's only matching up against a single player and will benefit from having better teammates as well. It's not that big of a deal in terms of +/-.


I'm not disagreeing with you regarding Trezz. I just have an issue when compare starters and backups only via plus/minus. I see it as apples and oranges.


The #1 plus/minus quoter around here got your back on this. Context is everything.

And this year, the stats are even more extreme--led by Lou and Harrell, we have the best bench in the league.

As for the starters, whoever is unlucky enough to have to take the court with Marcin Gortat is probably gonna see his plus/minus in massive butthurt.

Context.
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