Clippers Reportedly Pursued Porzingis (Mavericks Got Him Instead)

[esqtvd]

I think KP is a RFA so no need to give him a max deal. I find draft choices to be a larger risk than KP's health. Its a more high reward to me than high risk. The picks are not even this year or next as far as I read. I think the odds are great er KP will be an all star than one of the two picks.

So the Mavericks aren't going to try to sign him after he plays a full season for them next year? The point is they're going to have to extend him in the near future at some point. You don't give up that many first-rounders with the intention of only renting someone.

Also, your take on draft picks is way off base. Teams are trying to secure first-rounders, especially unprotected ones, even if they are in the future. Normally, picks in the immediately upcoming draft would hold more value but the 2019 class is seen as a weak class and future drafts should be valuable given that high school prospects will be eligible.

Yeah, Porzingis could make maybe an All-Star game or two but the aforementioned contract commitment to retain him makes him a much riskier proposition for the money. It's not like the Mavericks are going to get him at the mid-level exception and if they did, that would mean the outlook for his health is even worse than it is now.

Meanwhile, draft picks afford you the chance to swing and miss at a prospect locked into an inexpensive contract for at least 5 years. Yeah, the odds of a random prospect making the All-Star team are slim compared to Porzingis, but KP's odds aren't that great right now either, especially given how stacked the Western Conference is and will likely still be.

The cost-to-risk ratio certainly favors draft picks more than a max contract for a guy coming off significant injury who's failed to live up to his potential at this point. Porzingis himself is far from a sure thing at this point when he could be the next Andrei Kirilenko.

Folks love picks because they are like lottery tickets. They all could be great jackpot winners till they are used. Not sure about the AK analogy. Is it based on injury? AK was no where close to being the offensive force that KP was becoming. Yes Dallas will re-sign KP but they don't have to give him the max right away since he is a RFA. If healthy he may earn the max though. I look at this as cheap if KP is healthy. The rumor was 4 picks for Butler but Minny turned that down. The Knicks have had teams full of first round picks that were disappointments on their team and other teams.

If you get a top-5 draft pick level player [which a 25 ppg guy is] for what eventuates as 2 mid-to-late FRPs, it's a good deal.

all FRPs are not created equal

[Ranma]

Folks love picks because they are like lottery tickets. They all could be great jackpot winners till they are used. Not sure about the AK analogy. Is it based on injury? AK was no where close to being the offensive force that KP was becoming. Yes Dallas will re-sign KP but they don't have to give him the max right away since he is a RFA. If healthy he may earn the max though. I look at this as cheap if KP is healthy. The rumor was 4 picks for Butler but Minny turned that down. The Knicks have had teams full of first round picks that were disappointments on their team and other teams.

You have to put the draft picks into context. Those 4 first-rounders from Houston were not worth that much because they were projected to be low picks in practically all four of those years. You're telling me that 4 first-round picks from the Golden State Warriors in the next four consecutive drafts is as valuable as 4 of the same from the Phoenix Suns? You don't even have to look that hard for NBA analysts to call out that Houston offer as being fool's gold.

Do you even watch basketball? Porzingis was compared to Kirilenko when he was drafted. In fact, AK is KP's idol. Both have made the NBA All-Star and All-Rookie First Teams once apiece, but Kirilenko also made NBA All-Defensive First Team once as well as the Second Team twice along with leading the league in blocks once. It remains to be seen if Porzingis can even catch up to Kirilenko's other accomplishments.

Like I've said, when the Mavericks do eventually sign him, it will likely be for the max. That is what practically every media member is anticipating. Even if it's not a max contact, it will be a sizable one, since he's not locked into an inexpensive deal like the rookie-scale contract. What makes you think he will sign for a reasonably inexpensive deal? Like I've said, if he were to do that, it would mean his injury outlook was bad.

Even if that were the case, his camp could argue that it would take a year or two for him to get back to where he was, so the Mavericks would probably be inclined to give into proffering a big-money, long-term commitment given how much they gave up to acquire him and the fact that they tend to not do well with the draft or free agency. I don't understand how you can't connect the dots on this one since it's clear as day.

You talk about draft picks being lottery tickets, but Porzingis could still be argued as such to a certain extent. His nickname of "the Unicorn" represents his vast potential, but even before his injury, he hasn't lived up to expectations at this point. He's been more hype than substance, so we'll see if he actually ever lives up to the billing. The fact that he's 23 years old gives teams hope that he can fulfill his promise, but likely having to pay a max or near-max commitment to find out is not something appealing to most teams.

Another thing with draft picks, yeah, they're considered crap shoots, but as I've pointed out, they're a much more attractive and versatile asset given the inexpensive salary commitments and flexibility of contract options. However, teams with proven and expert talent evaluators tend to mitigate the uncertainty and risks associated with draft selections compared to other teams in general.

Take Jerry West's draft record and compare it to Dell Demps's. West has done more with mid-first-round picks and beyond than Demps has done with lottery picks. Even if a team is bad at drafting, the draft picks are easily tradeable since everyone wants them. That can't be said of injury-prone players or those on long-term expensive deals during the salary-cap era.

Think about it. Which of the following two options are you more likely to engage in? Buying a lottery ticket for a $1 at the local convenience store or going to a casino to place a $10,000 bet on a number in roulette? The odds and likely payout are better in roulette, but the cost associated with the lottery ticket is negligible. You can afford to miss on those without hampering your team over the next few seasons. Hawks GM Travis Schlenk has said as much when he was still part of the Warriors staff. Plus, first-round picks certainly have better odds than literal lottery tickets while $10,000 is significantly cheaper than multi-million-dollar contracts.

[TucsonClip]

The thing about Houston's offer which I think people have long devalued, is those four picks were over an eight year span (Stepien Rule), and from what I recall the were actual picks, not swaps. Not that the fact seals the deal or anything, but it certain puts things into a new perspective when you look at it in the proper context. Also part of the reason why, if I am Dell Demps, multiple picks in the future from the Lakers might be of interest.

[BB_Fan]

The thing about Houston's offer which I think people have long devalued, is those four picks were over an eight year span (Stepien Rule), and from what I recall the were actual picks, not swaps. Not that the fact seals the deal or anything, but it certain puts things into a new perspective when you look at it in the proper context. Also part of the reason why, if I am Dell Demps, multiple picks in the future from the Lakers might be of interest.

Knicks are Going to Trade for AD with all of their picks plus zion(2019) plus Mavs picks and their young players. This is KD power play.

KD has won two rings with GSW and will win one this year. If he can form a super team in NY with AD & Kyrie he will another three rings easily. He can say he is the GOAT as he has six rings and Bron has only three. Look at cap space and you can see you can easily accomodate all three AD(27) , KD (38) , KYrie (35) and Jordan (MLE).

KD wants to be known as GOAT like Tom Brady and this is his powerplay.

[Quake Griffin]

Folks love picks because they are like lottery tickets. They all could be great jackpot winners till they are used. Not sure about the AK analogy. Is it based on injury? AK was no where close to being the offensive force that KP was becoming. Yes Dallas will re-sign KP but they don't have to give him the max right away since he is a RFA. If healthy he may earn the max though. I look at this as cheap if KP is healthy. The rumor was 4 picks for Butler but Minny turned that down. The Knicks have had teams full of first round picks that were disappointments on their team and other teams.

You have to put the draft picks into context. Those 4 first-rounders from Houston were not worth that much because they were projected to be low picks in practically all four of those years. You're telling me that 4 first-round picks from the Golden State Warriors in the next four consecutive drafts is as valuable as 4 of the same from the Phoenix Suns? You don't even have to look that hard for NBA analysts to call out that Houston offer as being fool's gold.

Do you even watch basketball? Porzingis was compared to Kirilenko when he was drafted. In fact, AK is KP's idol. Both have made the NBA All-Star and All-Rookie First Teams once apiece, but Kirilenko also made NBA All-Defensive First Team once as well as the Second Team twice along with leading the league in blocks once. It remains to be seen if Porzingis can even catch up to Kirilenko's other accomplishments.

Like I've said, when the Mavericks do eventually sign him, it will likely be for the max. That is what practically every media member is anticipating. Even if it's not a max contact, it will be a sizable one, since he's not locked into a inexpensive deal like the rookie-scale contract. What makes you think he will sign for a reasonably inexpensive deal? Like I've said, if he were to do that, it would mean his injury outlook was bad.

Even if that were the case, his camp could argue that it would take a year or two for him to get back to where he was, so the Mavericks would probably be inclined to give into proffering a big-money, long-term commitment given how much they gave up to acquire him and the fact that they tend to not do well with the draft or free agency. I don't understand how you can't connect the dots on this one since it's clear as day.

You talk about draft picks being lottery tickets, but Porzingis could still be argued as such to a certain extent. His nickname of "the Unicorn" represents his vast potential, but even before his injury, he hasn't lived up to expectations at this point. He's been more hype than substance, so we'll see if he actually ever lives up to the billing. The fact that he's 23 years old gives teams hope that he can fulfill his promise, but likely having to pay a max or near-max commitment to find out is not something appealing to most teams.

Another thing with draft picks, yeah, they're considered crap shoots, but as I've pointed out, they're a much more attractive and versatile asset given the inexpensive salary commitments and flexibility of contract options. However, teams with proven and expert talent evaluators tend to mitigate the uncertainty and risks associated with draft selections compared to other teams in general.

Take Jerry West's draft record and compare it to Dell Demps's. West has done more with mid-first-round picks and beyond than Demps has done with lottery picks. Even if a team is bad at drafting, the draft picks are easily tradeable since everyone wants them. That can't be said of injury-prone players or those on long-term expensive deals during the salary-cap era.

Think about it. Which of the following two options are you more likely to engage in? Buying a lottery ticket for a $1 at the local convenience store or going to a casino to place a $10,000 bet on a number in roulette? The odds and likely payout are better in roulette, but the cost associated with the lottery ticket is negligible. You can afford to miss on those without hampering your team over the next few seasons. Hawks GM said as much when he was still part of the Warriors staff. Plus, first-round picks certainly have better odds than literal lottery tickets while $10,000 is significantly cheaper than multi-million-dollar contracts.

Good point on Jerry and Demps.

I’d love to give Jerry a mid to even late first this year just to take a swing at some talent.

If Doc was running the show, I wouldn’t even bother and I’d be as cynical on them as the next man. We’d have no use for them.

Good point in them being used in trades as well.
The Mavs have no 2019 picks, no 2021 FR pick, no 2023 FR pick. They project to be playoff good in the in between Stepien years. It doesn’t look like their road to building around these two is gonna be easy.

Maybe they go after a top FA this year.....make Luka the Jared Goff of the NBA. You know the, “pay everybody around the Rookie QB contract before that QB’s pay day comes” thing.

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I think should end up a great trade for the Mavs, and works out for the NYK depending on how they use the newly available cap space. It was a very steep price to pay though to undo some recent bad signings.

I don't think a similar trade make sense for the Clippers as the Mavs took on significant salary. OTOH the Mavs believe Doncic is their cornerstone guy, and Porzingis completes the main 'duo'. We all love SGA but don't consider him a cornerstone level prospect. It may or may not work out for Dallas, but the logic is pretty clear. For the Mavs this definitely beats freeing up cap space but continually losing out in free agency.

We need to trade or sign for an AD, Kawhi, etc. and then make other moves around that.