Patrick Patterson

[esqtvd]

Unsung hero of the first quarter of the season: Patrick Patterson

By some measures, Patterson has been the team's 5th best player (see: FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR score). On a side note, Mo Harkless has arguably been the worst.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-ratings/

Harkless seems to be a bit of a Teflon Man with the fans, at least around here. He's a game defender but a zero on the other end, and his Net Rating is 14th on the team, at 2.0. With a $15M expiring contract, he remains our #1 tradebait to perhaps get a veteran who's better but whose longer contract is an albatross for a young rebuilding team.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746


BTW, 2-3-4 in Net Rating are Walton, Patterson and J-Rob, at around 10. Yes, Robinson. As previously noted, his shooting has been crap but he hasn't been shooting much and is doing all the other things a-ok.

[50CalClips]

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pretty clear that harkless has been really good for the team.

Harkless fills spots, he's versatile. I like that.
But I don't trust the guy. He's the type of player that'll have the most inopportune mental lapse. Admittedly, this is partly based on a gut feeling.

[50CalClips]

Unsung hero of the first quarter of the season: Patrick Patterson

By some measures, Patterson has been the team's 5th best player (see: FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR score). On a side note, Mo Harkless has arguably been the worst.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-ratings/

Harkless seems to be a bit of a Teflon Man with the fans, at least around here. He's a game defender but a zero on the other end, and his Net Rating is 14th on the team, at 2.0. With a $15M expiring contract, he remains our #1 tradebait to perhaps get a veteran who's better but whose longer contract is an albatross for a young rebuilding team.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746

BTW, 2-3-4 in Net Rating are Walton, Patterson and J-Rob, at around 10. Yes, Robinson. As previously noted, his shooting has been crap but he hasn't been shooting much and is doing all the other things a-ok.

And1 for the Harkless bit, but I'm incredulous about the Jerome stuff.


BBall-Reference NetRating:
+35 = Walton
+13 = Patterson
+1 = Harkless
-24 = Jerome Robinson

Overall RAPTOR Score:
+2.9 = Patterson
+1.7 = Walton
-3.0 = Harkless
-3.6 = Jerome

[QRich3]

WHat do those guys have in common though? They all play in the garbage time line up, so that is most likely due to garbage time score running. I still have hopes for Jerome, but he’s nowhere near the better contributors out there, don’t think he’s even close to the middle of the pack.

[esqtvd]

Unsung hero of the first quarter of the season: Patrick Patterson

By some measures, Patterson has been the team's 5th best player (see: FiveThirtyEight's RAPTOR score). On a side note, Mo Harkless has arguably been the worst.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-ratings/

Harkless seems to be a bit of a Teflon Man with the fans, at least around here. He's a game defender but a zero on the other end, and his Net Rating is 14th on the team, at 2.0. With a $15M expiring contract, he remains our #1 tradebait to perhaps get a veteran who's better but whose longer contract is an albatross for a young rebuilding team.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746

BTW, 2-3-4 in Net Rating are Walton, Patterson and J-Rob, at around 10. Yes, Robinson. As previously noted, his shooting has been crap but he hasn't been shooting much and is doing all the other things a-ok.

And1 for the Harkless bit, but I'm incredulous about the Jerome stuff.


BBall-Reference NetRating:
+35 = Walton
+13 = Patterson
+1 = Harkless
-24 = Jerome Robinson

Overall RAPTOR Score:
+2.9 = Patterson
+1.7 = Walton
-3.0 = Harkless
-3.6 = Jerome

I've found Basketball Reference very iffy on anything but the basic stuff. The RAPTOR thing is fivethirtyeight experimental stuff. I go with the official nba.com stuff first and last.

In plus/minus, Jerome still comes in at 8th, above most of the other marginal scrubs. It explains why he was still getting minutes despite his abominable 33%/27% shooting figures.

And Patterson justifies your props for him.

In other news, we see Zubac is unimpressive, Harkless even more so. Pretty interesting that these stats pretty much reflect our pecking order and playing time, with a only few exceptions--the most notable one being Harkless. What we do see is that he's near the rear in ALL FOUR of our ratings charts. He rates high on a lot of people's "eye tests," but the numbers do not agree.


Kawhi 9.5
Paul George 6.1
Montrezl Harrell 5.9
Lou Williams 3.8
Patrick Patterson 3.4
Patrick Beverley 3.3
JaMychal Green 3.1
Jerome Robinson 2.7
Derrick Walton Jr. 2.5
Ivica Zubac 1.9
Rodney McGruder 0.9
Terance Mann 0.6
Mfiondu Kabengele 0.4
Maurice Harkless 0.4
Landry Shamet -0.7

[Shamet has only played 11 games and has not rounded into form yet. Still, he's shooting 41%/39% so he's not far off.]

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746

[50CalClips]

WHat do those guys have in common though? They all play in the garbage time line up, so that is most likely due to garbage time score running. I still have hopes for Jerome, but he’s nowhere near the better contributors out there, don’t think he’s even close to the middle of the pack.

Decent point.

Anyway, from the eyeball test... Jerome is just not an NBA-caliber player. I don't understand why I hear so much about Jerome Robinson, juxtaposed to the caliber of player he is. Where's all the Motely cheerleading... it doesn't exist... so, why Jerome? I don't see it.

[esqtvd]

WHat do those guys have in common though? They all play in the garbage time line up, so that is most likely due to garbage time score running. I still have hopes for Jerome, but he’s nowhere near the better contributors out there, don’t think he’s even close to the middle of the pack.

Decent point.

Anyway, from the eyeball test... Jerome is just not an NBA-caliber player. I don't understand why I hear so much about Jerome Robinson, juxtaposed to the caliber of player he is. Where's all the Motley cheerleading... it doesn't exist... so, why Jerome? I don't see it.

I'm not cheerleading, and Jerome flunks my eyeball test too. But the numbers say he should be getting the minutes, not Mann, as everybody's hearts say. Me, I like the numbers to agree with my eyes and heart, and when they don't, well, the numbers just don't care about my feelings.

Also an interesting point that Harkless's numbers don't match up with everyone's feelings about him. I suppose one argument against the numbers is consistency--if a guy's not killing you out there with turnovers and defensive lapses--and I think that's mostly true of Zubac too--then you can safely let him eat up some minutes for you so your quality players don't have to play 35 or more minutes every night [like LeBron and AD are presently, BTW].

Fitty, I dropped Motley's plus/minus off because he only plays garbage time but FTR, they're the worst on the team [minus-19.2 Net rating]. In the least, he's doing nothing to make the case for PT.