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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#41 » by Clippers2020 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:17 am

I love it when we don't have Boogie.
On the subject of Kobe, why was his 3pt% only 33%?
His work ethic was tremendous, so I assume he reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill.
I would say he had poor shot-selection, but everyone (almost) said his basketball IQ was among the very best.
Shot-selection is part of basketball IQ, right?
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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#42 » by NippySudz » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:33 pm

Clippers2020 wrote:I love it when we don't have Boogie.
On the subject of Kobe, why was his 3pt% only 33%?
His work ethic was tremendous, so I assume he reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill.
I would say he had poor shot-selection, but everyone (almost) said his basketball IQ was among the very best.
Shot-selection is part of basketball IQ, right?


Really. Are you trying to throw shade at Kobe bryant bbiq??

No arguing that sometimes Kobe forced the issue with his shots, that's not just threes but overall. He'd ride the hot hand too long after he's had gone cold

But I wouldn't suggest that he had bad bbiq in any type of manner. Kobe probably forgotten more aboit basketball then we ever know.

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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#43 » by Kelphus » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:24 pm

And then Cousins is cut.....
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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#44 » by Clippers2020 » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:54 am

NippySudz wrote:
Clippers2020 wrote:I love it when we don't have Boogie.
On the subject of Kobe, why was his 3pt% only 33%?
His work ethic was tremendous, so I assume he reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill.
I would say he had poor shot-selection, but everyone (almost) said his basketball IQ was among the very best.
Shot-selection is part of basketball IQ, right?


Really. Are you trying to throw shade at Kobe bryant bbiq??

No arguing that sometimes Kobe forced the issue with his shots, that's not just threes but overall. He'd ride the hot hand too long after he's had gone cold

But I wouldn't suggest that he had bad bbiq in any type of manner. Kobe probably forgotten more aboit basketball then we ever know.

As I said, Kobe had tremendous work ethic, reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill, and is known for having the best basketball IQ.
Its hard to find a reason for his 33% 3-point-shooting, other than shot-selection.
I remember commentators regularly noting that if Kobe missed his first 10 shots, he'd keep shooting regardless.
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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#45 » by esqtvd » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:31 pm

Clippers2020 wrote:
NippySudz wrote:
Clippers2020 wrote:I love it when we don't have Boogie.
On the subject of Kobe, why was his 3pt% only 33%?
His work ethic was tremendous, so I assume he reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill.
I would say he had poor shot-selection, but everyone (almost) said his basketball IQ was among the very best.
Shot-selection is part of basketball IQ, right?


Really. Are you trying to throw shade at Kobe bryant bbiq??

No arguing that sometimes Kobe forced the issue with his shots, that's not just threes but overall. He'd ride the hot hand too long after he's had gone cold

But I wouldn't suggest that he had bad bbiq in any type of manner. Kobe probably forgotten more aboit basketball then we ever know.

As I said, Kobe had tremendous work ethic, reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill, and is known for having the best basketball IQ.
Its hard to find a reason for his 33% 3-point-shooting, other than shot-selection.
I remember commentators regularly noting that if Kobe missed his first 10 shots, he'd keep shooting regardless.



MJ was a lifetime 33% on 3-pointers too. These guys really didn't grow up shooting the 3-ball. Not really part of their games.

I would also say in both their cases, they were the last resort on their teams when the 24 second clock was expiring and probably launched more than a few they really didn't want to.
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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#46 » by NippySudz » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:15 am

esqtvd wrote:
Clippers2020 wrote:
NippySudz wrote:
Really. Are you trying to throw shade at Kobe bryant bbiq??

No arguing that sometimes Kobe forced the issue with his shots, that's not just threes but overall. He'd ride the hot hand too long after he's had gone cold

But I wouldn't suggest that he had bad bbiq in any type of manner. Kobe probably forgotten more aboit basketball then we ever know.

As I said, Kobe had tremendous work ethic, reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill, and is known for having the best basketball IQ.
Its hard to find a reason for his 33% 3-point-shooting, other than shot-selection.
I remember commentators regularly noting that if Kobe missed his first 10 shots, he'd keep shooting regardless.



MJ was a lifetime 33% on 3-pointers too. These guys really didn't grow up shooting the 3-ball. Not really part of their games.

I would also say in both their cases, they were the last resort on their teams when the 24 second clock was expiring and probably launched more than a few they really didn't want to.


I was going to mention Jordan, but jordan shot them at a considerable lower amount per game compared to kobe so I elected not to mention it.

and sometimes kobe would chuck up heat checkers which would result in a bad shot, but in some cases it was instances like what you're talking about

but I wouldn't say that to say Kobe had a low IQ or suggest anything remotely close to that. I think that's shortminded. Kobe is probably the most skilled shooting guard to ever play this game. He can make shots, difficult shots more regularly than any great in this league. He combined aspects of generations of players and molded it to his style. He took from all the greats. A true student of the game.

Really don't get why anyone would suggest just because he shot bad, he has bad IQ

What other Shooting Guard is making shots like this with their left hand consistently? Making left hand jump hooks, left handed banked shots, left handed jumpshots, among other things. Lebron is good with his left hand, kawhi is good with his left hand. They can't do some of the stuff in this video.

Even micheal Jordan wasn't doing stuff like this, not that I can recall. Left hand layups, yes. The other stuff, no.

MJ is still the goat but kobe had to be the most skilled player I've seen at the shooting guard position. MJ didn't need the toolset kobe had, he was great without it, but no one can dispute kobe had a large toolbox of tools.

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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#47 » by esqtvd » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:38 am

NippySudz wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Clippers2020 wrote:As I said, Kobe had tremendous work ethic, reached his full potential in terms of shooting skill, and is known for having the best basketball IQ.
Its hard to find a reason for his 33% 3-point-shooting, other than shot-selection.
I remember commentators regularly noting that if Kobe missed his first 10 shots, he'd keep shooting regardless.



MJ was a lifetime 33% on 3-pointers too. These guys really didn't grow up shooting the 3-ball. Not really part of their games.

I would also say in both their cases, they were the last resort on their teams when the 24 second clock was expiring and probably launched more than a few they really didn't want to.


I was going to mention Jordan, but jordan shot them at a considerable lower amount per game compared to kobe so I elected not to mention it.

and sometimes kobe would chuck up heat checkers which would result in a bad shot, but in some cases it was instances like what you're talking about

but I wouldn't say that to say Kobe had a low IQ or suggest anything remotely close to that. I think that's shortminded. Kobe is probably the most skilled shooting guard to ever play this game. He can make shots, difficult shots more regularly than any great in this league. He combined aspects of generations of players and molded it to his style. He took from all the greats. A true student of the game.

Really don't get why anyone would suggest just because he shot bad, he has bad IQ

What other Shooting Guard is making shots like this with their left hand consistently? Making left hand jump hooks, left handed banked shots, left handed jumpshots, among other things. Lebron is good with his left hand, kawhi is good with his left hand. They can't do some of the stuff in this video.

Even micheal Jordan wasn't doing stuff like this, not that I can recall. Left hand layups, yes. The other stuff, no.

MJ is still the goat but kobe had to be the most skilled player I've seen at the shooting guard position. MJ didn't need the toolset kobe had, he was great without it, but no one can dispute kobe had a large toolbox of tools.




Because they are know-it-all swine. They pollute every board. Look around ours here, ffs.


I'm a dedicated Laker-hater but anybody who disses Kobe knows nothing about basketball. I would trade any current Clipper for Kobe in his prime, and that includes Kawhi, whom I adore.


Respect, Mamba. RIP. :cry:
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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#48 » by Clippers2020 » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:35 am

Well, MJ and Kobe are virtually opposite in terms of 3-point-shooting, MJ attempted 1.7 per game (and would have attempted even less if they didn't reduce the distance of the 3-point-line 1994-97), while Kobe attempted 4.1 per game.
Kobe genuinely enjoyed the 3-pointer, and practiced the hell out of it, while MJ saw it as a last resort.
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Re: RIP Kobe 

Post#49 » by esqtvd » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:01 am

Clippers2020 wrote:Well, MJ and Kobe are virtually opposite in terms of 3-point-shooting, MJ attempted 1.7 per game (and would have attempted even less if they didn't reduce the distance of the 3-point-line 1994-97), while Kobe attempted 4.1 per game.
Kobe genuinely enjoyed the 3-pointer, and practiced the hell out of it, while MJ saw it as a last resort.



I don't think we're disagreeing except I'd say that Kobe felt the need to keep up with the NBA trend and did hit ~35% from ages 24-30. But for whatever reason [injuries?] he was pretty crap at the 3 after age 30.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

I'm not gonna dog him for it. Kobe won FIVE rings.

All I'm saying is that today's players grew up on the 3 and Kobe and MJ didn't. When you start at an early age--be it playing the piano, or golf or skateboarding, it's part of your fabric. Almost everybody today can shoot the 3 to some extent, even 7-footers.

[Frankly, it's shooting guards who can't shoot it, like Sindarius and Ty Wallace, who mystify me. But practice alone can't give you a skill you just don't have. I'm sure they practiced the hell out of the 3, but to no avail.]
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