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Re: Game 30 : Utah Jazz (23-5) @ Los Angeles Clippers (21-8) - 10:00PM 

Post#81 » by Roscoe Sheed » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:18 am

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Roscoe Sheed wrote:I'm still so disappointed the Clippers cut Ingles years ago. What a huge mistake.


Well, they did bring him to America in the first place. I liked him too, from the first preseason game. He ran the court well and was always in the right place on both ends of the court. But he shot horribly, we needed a guard and we already had everybody but Ingles on a guaranteed contract.

The plan was to slip Ingles through waivers and pick him back up later after roster situation was dealt with. But the Jazz swooped in, although frankly at the time I thought it was partly to keep #5 pick Dante Exum company in transitioning to America, as they are both Aussies. Utah had a lottery team that year and throwing their 15th spot at Ingles was a no-lose crapshoot.

But once again, between CP, BG and DJ eating up most of the sal cap, there was little flexibilty. Add in Sterling's cheapness and that was that.

That team still somehow won 56 games, with only 6 real NBA players plus half a season of 22-year old Austin Rivers.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-report-20190116-story.html


    Ingles began his career in his native Australia, then played to Spain and Israel before joining the Clippers for training camp in October 2014. Clippers coaches found him to be a well-liked teammate whose basketball intelligence showed in meetings. He averaged only 1.2 points and 1.0 rebound during five preseason games but coaches looked beyond the statistics at his skillset: Great vision and a good shooter, too, even if didn’t display the accuracy that has made him invaluable in Utah.


    “He was solid but you know, he was on the third unit so he wasn’t getting a lot of (opportunity),” said Jazz forward Ekpe Udoh, who was then a Clipper. “He wants to compete and just show people that he can play. He’s done that since the beginning of time, from Europe to here.”

    The Clippers were intrigued but even they couldn’t have predicted the kind of contributor he’s become.

    An injury to guard Jordan Farmar sealed Ingles’ fate. Needing a backup for starting point guard Chris Paul, the Clippers opted to keep guard Jared Cunningham than hold onto Ingles.

    Without using Donald Sterling’s name, Rivers intimated it was the former owner’s preference to keep roster costs low that forced the team’s hand. The Clippers could have kept Ingles on the 15-man roster, but it would have required releasing someone else while paying out their contract.

    “Unfortunately I was working for someone who said we couldn’t eat a contract and that’s life,” Rivers said. “We were begging to try to just, ‘Let’s eat one contract.’ And they said, ‘That will never happen.’ So we had to let him go.”

    The Jazz claimed Ingles three days later off waivers and beat Jordan Hamilton for the team’s final roster spot. Both Ingles and Utah have reaped the rewards since.


I know the reasoning, but it still bothers me. The guy is about as a good a role player as there is in the NBA. He also seems a bit arrogant which further salts the wound!
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Post#82 » by esqtvd » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:34 am

Sterling passed on the white dude lol
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Post#83 » by Clemenza » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:48 pm

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esqtvd wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:I'm still so disappointed the Clippers cut Ingles years ago. What a huge mistake.


Well, they did bring him to America in the first place. I liked him too, from the first preseason game. He ran the court well and was always in the right place on both ends of the court. But he shot horribly, we needed a guard and we already had everybody but Ingles on a guaranteed contract.

The plan was to slip Ingles through waivers and pick him back up later after roster situation was dealt with. But the Jazz swooped in, although frankly at the time I thought it was partly to keep #5 pick Dante Exum company in transitioning to America, as they are both Aussies. Utah had a lottery team that year and throwing their 15th spot at Ingles was a no-lose crapshoot.

But once again, between CP, BG and DJ eating up most of the sal cap, there was little flexibilty. Add in Sterling's cheapness and that was that.

That team still somehow won 56 games, with only 6 real NBA players plus half a season of 22-year old Austin Rivers.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-report-20190116-story.html


    Ingles began his career in his native Australia, then played to Spain and Israel before joining the Clippers for training camp in October 2014. Clippers coaches found him to be a well-liked teammate whose basketball intelligence showed in meetings. He averaged only 1.2 points and 1.0 rebound during five preseason games but coaches looked beyond the statistics at his skillset: Great vision and a good shooter, too, even if didn’t display the accuracy that has made him invaluable in Utah.


    “He was solid but you know, he was on the third unit so he wasn’t getting a lot of (opportunity),” said Jazz forward Ekpe Udoh, who was then a Clipper. “He wants to compete and just show people that he can play. He’s done that since the beginning of time, from Europe to here.”

    The Clippers were intrigued but even they couldn’t have predicted the kind of contributor he’s become.

    An injury to guard Jordan Farmar sealed Ingles’ fate. Needing a backup for starting point guard Chris Paul, the Clippers opted to keep guard Jared Cunningham than hold onto Ingles.

    Without using Donald Sterling’s name, Rivers intimated it was the former owner’s preference to keep roster costs low that forced the team’s hand. The Clippers could have kept Ingles on the 15-man roster, but it would have required releasing someone else while paying out their contract.

    “Unfortunately I was working for someone who said we couldn’t eat a contract and that’s life,” Rivers said. “We were begging to try to just, ‘Let’s eat one contract.’ And they said, ‘That will never happen.’ So we had to let him go.”

    The Jazz claimed Ingles three days later off waivers and beat Jordan Hamilton for the team’s final roster spot. Both Ingles and Utah have reaped the rewards since.


I know the reasoning, but it still bothers me. The guy is about as a good a role player as there is in the NBA. He also seems a bit arrogant which further salts the wound!

It made no freaking sense whatsoever to cut him. It was just some of the worst general managing we've ever seen during that time. We needed a SF in the worst way possible and Ingles wasn't star material but even in the preseason he looked competent at the position and we all thought, "Ok this guy should make the team and play some forward." But no.. smh. And to top it off the guard we kept over him ended up getting waived a couple of months later. As a result Lob City was always a top heavy team without much of a bench at all outside of Jamal Crawford.
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Post#84 » by nickhx2 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:36 pm

cutting ingles was literally one of the dumbest moves doc rivers made in an gigantic list of moronic moves
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Post#85 » by esqtvd » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:42 pm

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Roscoe Sheed wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Well, they did bring him to America in the first place. I liked him too, from the first preseason game. He ran the court well and was always in the right place on both ends of the court. But he shot horribly, we needed a guard and we already had everybody but Ingles on a guaranteed contract.

The plan was to slip Ingles through waivers and pick him back up later after roster situation was dealt with. But the Jazz swooped in, although frankly at the time I thought it was partly to keep #5 pick Dante Exum company in transitioning to America, as they are both Aussies. Utah had a lottery team that year and throwing their 15th spot at Ingles was a no-lose crapshoot.

But once again, between CP, BG and DJ eating up most of the sal cap, there was little flexibilty. Add in Sterling's cheapness and that was that.

That team still somehow won 56 games, with only 6 real NBA players plus half a season of 22-year old Austin Rivers.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-report-20190116-story.html


    Ingles began his career in his native Australia, then played to Spain and Israel before joining the Clippers for training camp in October 2014. Clippers coaches found him to be a well-liked teammate whose basketball intelligence showed in meetings. He averaged only 1.2 points and 1.0 rebound during five preseason games but coaches looked beyond the statistics at his skillset: Great vision and a good shooter, too, even if didn’t display the accuracy that has made him invaluable in Utah.


    “He was solid but you know, he was on the third unit so he wasn’t getting a lot of (opportunity),” said Jazz forward Ekpe Udoh, who was then a Clipper. “He wants to compete and just show people that he can play. He’s done that since the beginning of time, from Europe to here.”

    The Clippers were intrigued but even they couldn’t have predicted the kind of contributor he’s become.

    An injury to guard Jordan Farmar sealed Ingles’ fate. Needing a backup for starting point guard Chris Paul, the Clippers opted to keep guard Jared Cunningham than hold onto Ingles.

    Without using Donald Sterling’s name, Rivers intimated it was the former owner’s preference to keep roster costs low that forced the team’s hand. The Clippers could have kept Ingles on the 15-man roster, but it would have required releasing someone else while paying out their contract.

    “Unfortunately I was working for someone who said we couldn’t eat a contract and that’s life,” Rivers said. “We were begging to try to just, ‘Let’s eat one contract.’ And they said, ‘That will never happen.’ So we had to let him go.”

    The Jazz claimed Ingles three days later off waivers and beat Jordan Hamilton for the team’s final roster spot. Both Ingles and Utah have reaped the rewards since.


I know the reasoning, but it still bothers me. The guy is about as a good a role player as there is in the NBA. He also seems a bit arrogant which further salts the wound!

It made no freaking sense whatsoever to cut him. It was just some of the worst general managing we've ever seen during that time. We needed a SF in the worst way possible and Ingles wasn't star material but even in the preseason he looked competent at the position and we all thought, "Ok this guy should make the team and play some forward." But no.. smh. And to top it off the guard we kept over him ended up getting waived a couple of months later. As a result Lob City was always a top heavy team without much of a bench at all outside of Jamal Crawford.


If Sterling wouldn't eat Cunningham's contract, that was that.

BTW, Ingles only shot 25% from the field in that preseason and Cunningham averaged 8 ppg in only 15 minutes while shooting 42% on 3s. It wasn't as cut-and-dried as hindsight makes it.
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Post#86 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:30 pm

It was absolutely cut and dried. Some of us were furious about it when it happened. We desperately needed a wing, he played his way into at least a roster spot in preseason, then the worst GM and coach in NBA history decided to let an injury to Jordan Farmar dictate his roster moves.

Then again, knowing Doc, he would have let Ingles rot on the bench until he got fed up and went back to Australia - just like he did to Milos.
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Post#87 » by NickP » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:01 am

For Ingles it was a good thing he didn't play for Doc. He wouldn't be half the player he is today.
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Post#88 » by esqtvd » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:28 am

Not one Clipper left here and blossomed elsewhere.

And many players blossomed here: DJ, JJ, Trezz. Zubac was a G Leaguer the Lakers dumped. Beverley's career was on death row after his injury--he was playing terribly but Doc stuck with him. He made starters out of Mbah a Mute and Matt Barnes, who was out of the league. Doc had no luck as GM but as coach, a lot of people owe him bigtime for boosting their careers.
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Post#89 » by NickP » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:49 am

^^ LMFAO ^^
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Post#90 » by Clemenza » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:57 am

esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:
I know the reasoning, but it still bothers me. The guy is about as a good a role player as there is in the NBA. He also seems a bit arrogant which further salts the wound!

It made no freaking sense whatsoever to cut him. It was just some of the worst general managing we've ever seen during that time. We needed a SF in the worst way possible and Ingles wasn't star material but even in the preseason he looked competent at the position and we all thought, "Ok this guy should make the team and play some forward." But no.. smh. And to top it off the guard we kept over him ended up getting waived a couple of months later. As a result Lob City was always a top heavy team without much of a bench at all outside of Jamal Crawford.


If Sterling wouldn't eat Cunningham's contract, that was that.

BTW, Ingles only shot 25% from the field in that preseason and Cunningham averaged 8 ppg in only 15 minutes while shooting 42% on 3s. It wasn't as cut-and-dried as hindsight makes it.

Not even on some 20/20 hindsight sh*t. We needed a SF in the absolutely worst way possible and on top of that I honestly thought he made the team straight up. You knew he wasn't a star player and his stats didn't blow you away in that preseason but he passed the eye test as someone who could contribute no doubt about it. Every Clipper fan I knew online and off said wtf at him being cut. Then he hopped on Utah's roster a couple days later and has been in their rotation ever since either as a starter or the 6th or 7th man. We all knew he wasn't going back to Australia when Doc cut him.
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Post#91 » by esqtvd » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:48 am

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:It made no freaking sense whatsoever to cut him. It was just some of the worst general managing we've ever seen during that time. We needed a SF in the worst way possible and Ingles wasn't star material but even in the preseason he looked competent at the position and we all thought, "Ok this guy should make the team and play some forward." But no.. smh. And to top it off the guard we kept over him ended up getting waived a couple of months later. As a result Lob City was always a top heavy team without much of a bench at all outside of Jamal Crawford.


If Sterling wouldn't eat Cunningham's contract, that was that.

BTW, Ingles only shot 25% from the field in that preseason and Cunningham averaged 8 ppg in only 15 minutes while shooting 42% on 3s. It wasn't as cut-and-dried as hindsight makes it.

Not even on some 20/20 hindsight sh*t. We needed a SF in the absolutely worst way possible and on top of that I honestly thought he made the team straight up. You knew he wasn't a star player and his stats didn't blow you away in that preseason but he passed the eye test as someone who could contribute no doubt about it. Every Clipper fan I knew online and off said wtf at him being cut. Then he hopped on Utah's roster a couple days later and has been in their rotation ever since either as a starter or the 6th or 7th man. We all knew he wasn't going back to Australia when Doc cut him.



Joe Ingles was competing for the 15th spot. He played 7 minutes a game in the preseason and shot 25% for 1.2 points per game.

I liked him too. But let's not pretend any of us watched him play about 35 minutes of preseason garbage time on TV and knew he'd become a star. Which he still ain't, ffs. And it took him 4 years on the Jazz until he even averaged 10 points a game. At age 30.

Nice player. Marginal starter. This was not a tragedy. Let's cut the drama here.


If Sterling wouldn't eat Cunningham's contract, that was that.


Point still stands. If anyone's to blame, it's him.
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Post#92 » by NickP » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:11 pm

Doc should put esqtvd on his payroll ASAP. This kind of PR and defense is invaluable.
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Post#93 » by Clemenza » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:47 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
If Sterling wouldn't eat Cunningham's contract, that was that.

BTW, Ingles only shot 25% from the field in that preseason and Cunningham averaged 8 ppg in only 15 minutes while shooting 42% on 3s. It wasn't as cut-and-dried as hindsight makes it.

Not even on some 20/20 hindsight sh*t. We needed a SF in the absolutely worst way possible and on top of that I honestly thought he made the team straight up. You knew he wasn't a star player and his stats didn't blow you away in that preseason but he passed the eye test as someone who could contribute no doubt about it. Every Clipper fan I knew online and off said wtf at him being cut. Then he hopped on Utah's roster a couple days later and has been in their rotation ever since either as a starter or the 6th or 7th man. We all knew he wasn't going back to Australia when Doc cut him.



Joe Ingles was competing for the 15th spot. He played 7 minutes a game in the preseason and shot 25% for 1.2 points per game.

I liked him too. But let's not pretend any of us watched him play about 35 minutes of preseason garbage time on TV and knew he'd become a star. Which he still ain't, ffs. And it took him 4 years on the Jazz until he even averaged 10 points a game. At age 30.

Nice player. Marginal starter. This was not a tragedy. Let's cut the drama here.


If Sterling wouldn't eat Cunningham's contract, that was that.


Point still stands. If anyone's to blame, it's him.

Who said he was going to become a star??? WHO SAID THIS?? Nobody saw him as a future star. You can't switch the narrative no matter if you even tell us the stats on the number of times he takes a piss during the day. We all saw a guy that could contribute at the SF position and help the team who had no wings whatsoever. We saw height, some rebounding, composure, a guy who fit, a potential good shooter, etc. Nobody saw a star player in Ingles.. we just saw some help for Blake & CP3, that's all. So by your account the only way a guy, first time over from another country trying to make the league, is supposed to light it up and look like all star material in the preseason? So Doc gave an unknown the green light on offense but he didn't use it?
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Post#94 » by esqtvd » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:12 pm

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:Not even on some 20/20 hindsight sh*t. We needed a SF in the absolutely worst way possible and on top of that I honestly thought he made the team straight up. You knew he wasn't a star player and his stats didn't blow you away in that preseason but he passed the eye test as someone who could contribute no doubt about it. Every Clipper fan I knew online and off said wtf at him being cut. Then he hopped on Utah's roster a couple days later and has been in their rotation ever since either as a starter or the 6th or 7th man. We all knew he wasn't going back to Australia when Doc cut him.



Joe Ingles was competing for the 15th spot. He played 7 minutes a game in the preseason and shot 25% for 1.2 points per game.

I liked him too. But let's not pretend any of us watched him play about 35 minutes of preseason garbage time on TV and knew he'd become a star. Which he still ain't, ffs. And it took him 4 years on the Jazz until he even averaged 10 points a game. At age 30.

Nice player. Marginal starter. This was not a tragedy. Let's cut the drama here.


If Sterling wouldn't eat Cunningham's contract, that was that.


Point still stands. If anyone's to blame, it's him.

Who said he was going to become a star??? WHO SAID THIS?? Nobody saw him as a future star. You can't switch the narrative no matter if you even tell us the stats on the number of times he takes a piss during the day. We all saw a guy that could contribute at the SF position and help the team who had no wings whatsoever. We saw height, some rebounding, composure, a guy who fit, a potential good shooter, etc. Nobody saw a star player in Ingles.. we just saw some help for Blake & CP3, that's all. So by your account the only way a guy, first time over from another country trying to make the league, is supposed to light it up and look like all star material in the preseason? So Doc gave an unknown the green light on offense but he didn't use it?



I've had my say. I liked him too, I just think the hand-wringing is a bit overdone, especially 6 years later. The current front office has made worse moves than this.
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