GAME 65: Nuggets (42-21) @ Clippers (43-21)—Saturday 8PM PDT

[NippySudz]

I don't understand why some of you insist on indulging with the whole PG conversation. Don't know how mods can let EVERY GAME THREAD turn into a PG hate thread. Unbelievable.

You're right. After a loss I'll just probably make one post on the team's performance and be done with it if that. This place is disgusting now. Even if you're trying to be a fair, reasonable, or positive poster its setting people off

I learned the same lesson last season. Its always the same cast of characters too. Fans get too high and too low. I've seen plenty of good from the clippers this season. But I still think anyteam looks beatable and I just hope we make the finals.

[RingColluder]

I don't understand why some of you insist on indulging with the whole PG conversation. Don't know how mods can let EVERY GAME THREAD turn into a PG hate thread. Unbelievable.

Most of the so-called "PG hate" is because he's choking in the most important games of the season. Surely you can understand the frustration when we're all hoping for him to turn it around, but as soon as a big game arrives on the schedule, he regresses all the way back to that Mavs series. It's alarming since the playoffs are almost here and this is still how he's playing in the spotlight.

Even then, if we hadn't traded SGA and a million draft picks for him, given him $190 million, and he wasn't coming off arguably the worst playoff performance by a "superstar" ever, he wouldn't be getting criticized as much. The context makes his performances even worse than they already are on paper.

Personally, I just think this situation sucks. I really wanted PG to work out for us. It would have been a nice story for him to go from rooting for the Clippers as a kid to helping us win our first championship. It doesn't look like that's going to happen barring a miracle.

Exactly this, using logic isn't allowed on a board. Oh wow!

[RingColluder]

Morris is getting paid Luke Kennard money per game for his contract, he's blatantly outperforming his deal 14-17 million a year. Paul George is getting max money 30-38 million a year.

PG is perhaps "underperforming" his max contract but he has carried this team on his back to numerous wins. Unlike the dear departed Lou and Trezz--who made HALF his salary--Marcus hasn't carried us to victory in a SINGLE GAME since he became Clipper.

Setting one Clipper against another is bullsh*it. I'm VERY disappointed with Marcus but it's not like anybody else should be getting his minutes. Ty is giving EVERYBODY their chance to steal them away.

If Morris was playing in a better role he WOULD be winning us games. And I don't buy your argument imo, he's

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/dir/desc

Morris is 5th in the league in 3pt%, averaging 13.5 pts compared to #1 on the list Joe Harris at 14.3% and #4 Joe Ingles 12.3 (the others are KD and bobby Portis at 11 pts). So If they gave Morris more shots instead of some inconsistent turnover machines, he could theoretically be leading the league in pts for a 3 pt shooter.

Also averaging more rebounds per game than Harris and Ingles at 4.2 compared to 3.5 and 3.6. Basically if we had another player as good as advertised LIKE a Kyrie and KD (to go along w Kawhi) he'd be averaging Joe Harris if not better who is having an outstanding year. Plenty of games we have been kept in it BC of Morris, it is only when he has an off game that the team looks like they are in total disarray.

[RingColluder]

And I don't see anybody getting majorly upset if Morris has a bad game. Its a holiday around here when PG has a bad game. And I already said PG had a sh*t game twice in this thread. Read it through again. What else do I have to do? Talk bad about his family, wife, and kids just so you're happy?

Morris is getting paid Luke Kennard money per game for his contract, he's blatantly outperforming his deal 14-17 million a year. Paul George is getting max money 30-38 million a year. Why are some of you acting this way when they are getting similar contracts if not LESS to what in comparison Anthony Davis would get compared to KCP? It's an absolute joke.

If Kawhi was paired with AD and AD was plying this atrociously, I would be on his case this much as well. This is exactly what I said and people are still excusing it and being, "well hopefully he plays better, but if not we'll trade him in the offseason!!"" as if that's even an option. Just admit I was right and be done with it. Instead one of two people threw ignorant and glib personal attacks and now have absolutely nothing to say. Wow!

That's kind of the point of supporting a team The personal attacks are because things have gotten excessive and repetitive. A simple "damn he had another bad game" is enough. The current state of this board goes back weeks ago when people were called "insane" and "jokes" because Lue decided to run most of the offense through PG. And It's not about excusing him. People realize he's not playing well recently, and hope that he turns it around. That's all we can do as fans. For better or for worse, we have to roll with him.

Well when I was proven right time and time again (excluding this Nuggets game) the answer is not to call someone, "the village idiot" when everything I said was proven to be accurate. That's where all this stems from going even further back, but alas no comments on higher powers are allowed here...


As has been the rare occasion when PG has played well in a big game (maybe 15-20% of this season), I am always pleasantly surprised and exuberant when PG has a good game. But sadly momentum could not be going worse for him right now, he needs to step it up... He is the one who dismantled this team and got rid of Trez, he now needs to show up.

[esqtvd]

Morris is getting paid Luke Kennard money per game for his contract, he's blatantly outperforming his deal 14-17 million a year. Paul George is getting max money 30-38 million a year.

PG is perhaps "underperforming" his max contract but he has carried this team on his back to numerous wins. Unlike the dear departed Lou and Trezz--who made HALF his salary--Marcus hasn't carried us to victory in a SINGLE GAME since he became Clipper.

Setting one Clipper against another is bullsh*it. I'm VERY disappointed with Marcus but it's not like anybody else should be getting his minutes. Ty is giving EVERYBODY their chance to steal them away.

If Morris was playing in a better role he WOULD be winning us games. And I don't buy your argument imo, he's

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/dir/desc

Morris is 5th in the league in 3pt%, averaging 13.5 pts compared to #1 on the list Joe Harris at 14.3% and #4 Joe Ingles 12.3 (the others are KD and bobby Portis at 11 pts). So If they gave Morris more shots instead of some inconsistent turnover machines, he could theoretically be leading the league in pts for a 3 pt shooter.

Also averaging more rebounds per game than Harris and Ingles at 4.2 compared to 3.5 and 3.6. Basically if we had another player as good as advertised LIKE a Kyrie and KD (to go along w Kawhi) he'd be averaging Joe Harris if not better who is having an outstanding year. Plenty of games we have been kept in it BC of Morris, it is only when he has an off game that the team looks like they are in total disarray.

Percentages mean nothing to me--it's about PRODUCTION. It's easy to have high percentages when you limit yourself to the gimmes. After being MIA as a bench player, Marcus has been doing well enough lately as a starter with a pretty consistent 15 ppg but he's still not having those bustout games where he takes the pressure off Kawhi and especially PG.

At this point it's not even criticizing him but it is to say WE NEED MORE from him if we're gonna make a dent in these playoffs. 10 games of ≥20 points out of 65 is just not enough. Trezz had something like 25 and Lou over 30 last year. We need POINTS! As I said somewhere else, I would just let Kawhi have his points, double PG and make somebody else step up and beat me. Who's it gonna be?

[RingColluder]

PG is perhaps "underperforming" his max contract but he has carried this team on his back to numerous wins. Unlike the dear departed Lou and Trezz--who made HALF his salary--Marcus hasn't carried us to victory in a SINGLE GAME since he became Clipper.

Setting one Clipper against another is bullsh*it. I'm VERY disappointed with Marcus but it's not like anybody else should be getting his minutes. Ty is giving EVERYBODY their chance to steal them away.

If Morris was playing in a better role he WOULD be winning us games. And I don't buy your argument imo, he's

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/dir/desc

Morris is 5th in the league in 3pt%, averaging 13.5 pts compared to #1 on the list Joe Harris at 14.3% and #4 Joe Ingles 12.3 (the others are KD and bobby Portis at 11 pts). So If they gave Morris more shots instead of some inconsistent turnover machines, he could theoretically be leading the league in pts for a 3 pt shooter.

Also averaging more rebounds per game than Harris and Ingles at 4.2 compared to 3.5 and 3.6. Basically if we had another player as good as advertised LIKE a Kyrie and KD (to go along w Kawhi) he'd be averaging Joe Harris if not better who is having an outstanding year. Plenty of games we have been kept in it BC of Morris, it is only when he has an off game that the team looks like they are in total disarray.

Percentages mean nothing to me--it's about PRODUCTION. It's easy to have high percentages when you limit yourself to the gimmes. After being MIA as a bench player, Marcus has been doing well enough lately as a starter with a pretty consistent 15 ppg but he's still not having those bustout games where he takes the pressure off Kawhi and especially PG.

At this point it's not even criticizing him but it is to say WE NEED MORE from him if we're gonna make a dent in these playoffs. 10 games of ≥20 points out of 65 is just not enough. Trezz had something like 25 and Lou over 30 last year. We need POINTS! As I said somewhere else, I would just let Kawhi have his points, double PG and make somebody else step up and beat me. Who's it gonna be?

Limit yourself to gimmes?? If anything Morris is taking the toughest shots on the team, when a certain player runs out the shot clock then passes it out last minute and Morris has to throw a desperation shot at the buzzer. If his ROLE was better and he was taking more shots than 5-21 PG we'd be in a better position AND PG would be playing more to a role that suits him.

I agree on Trez, but a lot of that is bc the supposed leap Zubac was supposed to take never happened and in some ways he even regressed... we had a great thing going but of course other factors got in the way.

[NippySudz]

I'm on tapatalk so I can't see your profile but I'm guessing you're a laker fan saying this?

They weren't lucky. They beat who they were supposed to beat. The other top contenders didn't live up to it. Bucks, clippers etc

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IDK... looking at how the Lakers are playing this year with a more talented roster on paper, I'm not fully convinced that they still would have won the title last year if it was a normal season with no hiatus and no bubble.

Either that or, contrary to certain people's opinions, Trez really makes his teams a lot worse.

I'm not going to put an asterisk on their chip. They earned it. Every team had the same opportunity the Lakers had. They won.
If we didn't have Doc coaching us then maybe the outcome would have been different but that was the hand we were dealt with.

I agree. Doc wasn't competent. Look how bad frank vogel is this season. He's not a great coach either but at least he made the adjustments during the playoffs last year and used the roster to it's full potential.

Doc couldn't even do the obvious. It didn't take rocket science and doc still screwed it up. Doc was horrible.

It is what it is. The Lakers won. If the clippers won, I'd be celebrating that title too so I can't be a hypocrite and play the what if game. Does it feel like a regular title? No but it's under extreme circumstances so it can't be dismissed

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[esqtvd]

mercy

[RingColluder]

"Why are we blaming people this season? It's really people's fault from last year that deserve the blame"

great logic. really great.

[og15]

PG has overall been pretty bad the past 4 games when it comes to shooting. This is the constant fear with Paul George, having a bad stretch in the playoffs. But one thing to notice is that he has had his two highest FTA games of the season in the last 4 games. Now, while that doesn't negate the level of bad shooting, the good to take from this is that he has been attacking.

Bad shooting nights happen, players have to have some means to minimize the damage of those nights. Rebounding, playmaking, defense, and when it comes to the scoring part, getting to the FT line. It is good to see PG do that (get to the line more) in these recent poor shooting games, it is much better than shooting poorly and not being aggressive either.

[NickP]

PG has overall been pretty bad the past 4 games when it comes to shooting. This is the constant fear with Paul George, having a bad stretch in the playoffs. But one thing to notice is that he has had his two highest FTA games of the season in the last 4 games. Now, while that doesn't negate the level of bad shooting, the good to take from this is that he has been attacking.

Bad shooting nights happen, players have to have some means to minimize the damage of those nights. Rebounding, playmaking, defense, and when it comes to the scoring part, getting to the FT line. It is good to see PG do that (get to the line more) in these recent poor shooting games, it is much better than shooting poorly and not being aggressive either.

Yes in that sense PG is not a one trick Pony. He gets very involved in the offense and of course brings it on defense every night. His rebounding has been pretty consistent and like you said, he's attacking the rim more and getting to the FT line. I just can't wait for the playoffs.

[esqtvd]

PG has overall been pretty bad the past 4 games when it comes to shooting. This is the constant fear with Paul George, having a bad stretch in the playoffs. But one thing to notice is that he has had his two highest FTA games of the season in the last 4 games. Now, while that doesn't negate the level of bad shooting, the good to take from this is that he has been attacking.

Bad shooting nights happen, players have to have some means to minimize the damage of those nights. Rebounding, playmaking, defense, and when it comes to the scoring part, getting to the FT line. It is good to see PG do that (get to the line more) in these recent poor shooting games, it is much better than shooting poorly and not being aggressive either.

Thank you OG. FG% is misleading if you're getting to the line. In fact FG% is misleading PERIOD because it also ignores 3-pt shooting. As useless as batting average is these days in baseball. It's about the OPS.

20 points on 21 official FGAs is a crappy game but not disastrous. 11 FTAs and 3-8 [37%] from distance. PG was still OUR LEADING SCORER and finished plus+3 with 7 rebs and a steal. [Only Reggie, Zubac and PG finished in the black.]

Blame should be placed elsewhere--if blame should even placed at all. Me, I hate this scapegoat stuff. Nobody LOST us this game. I prefer to say we came up a little short, is all.

[RingColluder]

PG has overall been pretty bad the past 4 games when it comes to shooting. This is the constant fear with Paul George, having a bad stretch in the playoffs. But one thing to notice is that he has had his two highest FTA games of the season in the last 4 games. Now, while that doesn't negate the level of bad shooting, the good to take from this is that he has been attacking.

Bad shooting nights happen, players have to have some means to minimize the damage of those nights. Rebounding, playmaking, defense, and when it comes to the scoring part, getting to the FT line. It is good to see PG do that (get to the line more) in these recent poor shooting games, it is much better than shooting poorly and not being aggressive either.

Thank you OG. FG% is misleading if you're getting to the line. In fact FG% is misleading PERIOD because it also ignores 3-pt shooting. As useless as batting average is these days in baseball. It's about the OPS.

20 points on 21 official FGAs is a crappy game but not disastrous. 11 FTAs and 3-8 [37%] from distance. PG was still OUR LEADING SCORER and finished plus+3 with 7 rebs and a steal. [Only Reggie, Zubac and PG finished in the black.]

Blame should be placed elsewhere--if blame should even placed at all. Me, I hate this scapegoat stuff. Nobody LOST us this game. I prefer to say we came up a little short, is all.

That's great but in a 6 point loss he can't be going 7-11 at the FT line when in general he is automatic from there. There is something mentally not going right w PG as we saw in the bubble, it's great to see him get to the line more. And plenty of other players could be our LEADING SCORE if they shot 21 points as well. He is a good rebounder.


Is this post allowed OG? It's tough to tell without clarification since I would assume any points talking about a CURRENT GAME are allowed to be discussed unless this is somehow, "Derailing" the thread. Thank you in advance for the feedback (messaged you).

[RingColluder]

PG has overall been pretty bad the past 4 games when it comes to shooting. This is the constant fear with Paul George, having a bad stretch in the playoffs. But one thing to notice is that he has had his two highest FTA games of the season in the last 4 games. Now, while that doesn't negate the level of bad shooting, the good to take from this is that he has been attacking.

Bad shooting nights happen, players have to have some means to minimize the damage of those nights. Rebounding, playmaking, defense, and when it comes to the scoring part, getting to the FT line. It is good to see PG do that (get to the line more) in these recent poor shooting games, it is much better than shooting poorly and not being aggressive either.

Why can't he just rebound and defend then, and when his shot isn't falling give the ball to the other 3-4 scorers we have on the team instead? It's a very similar issue Carmelo Anthony, even in his less "prime state" has where he feels the need to, "Do MY thing" at the downfall of the team. He is a great rebounder and defender, if anything save some of those shots for the 4th quarter later on rather than wasting them all when he could incorporate other teammates more than too.

[TrueLAfan]

PG has overall been pretty bad the past 4 games when it comes to shooting. This is the constant fear with Paul George, having a bad stretch in the playoffs. But one thing to notice is that he has had his two highest FTA games of the season in the last 4 games. Now, while that doesn't negate the level of bad shooting, the good to take from this is that he has been attacking.

Bad shooting nights happen, players have to have some means to minimize the damage of those nights. Rebounding, playmaking, defense, and when it comes to the scoring part, getting to the FT line. It is good to see PG do that (get to the line more) in these recent poor shooting games, it is much better than shooting poorly and not being aggressive either.

Thank you OG. FG% is misleading if you're getting to the line. In fact FG% is misleading PERIOD because it also ignores 3-pt shooting. As useless as batting average is these days in baseball. It's about the OPS.

20 points on 21 official FGAs is a crappy game but not disastrous. 11 FTAs and 3-8 [37%] from distance. PG was still OUR LEADING SCORER and finished plus+3 with 7 rebs and a steal. [Only Reggie, Zubac and PG finished in the black.]

Blame should be placed elsewhere--if blame should even placed at all. Me, I hate this scapegoat stuff. Nobody LOST us this game. I prefer to say we came up a little short, is all.

That's great but in a 6 point loss he can't be going 7-11 at the FT line when in general he is automatic from there. There is something mentally not going right w PG as we saw in the bubble, it's great to see him get to the line more. And plenty of other players could be our LEADING SCORE if they shot 21 points as well. He is a good rebounder.


Is this post allowed OG? It's tough to tell without clarification since I would assume any points talking about a CURRENT GAME are allowed to be discussed unless this is somehow, "Derailing" the thread. Thank you in advance for the feedback (messaged you).

First--cut the passive/aggressive stuff out. Now. If the mod(s) give you a message, follow it. And "Derailing" a thread occurs when you're trying to beat the same point into people who are, in general, politely disagreeing. Yes, it's a problem.

I'll solve it here by locking this thread. And here's a suggestion--if there's a single idea any poster wants to reiterate over and over, start a thread about it.