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Post#281 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:25 am

NippySudz wrote:Man, I don't understand gambling. I'm glad I don't do it.

How are Utah's one point favorites? Can anyone tell me this? Man, I hate seeing the lines, but I can't help but to check. Seeing we were an 8.5 underdog last time made me extremely nervous and seeing -1.0 underdogs at home is like wtf. What are they seeing that I'm not seeing. I'm getting anxiety lol

They see that Kawhi's still out. It's as simple as that.

It's going to be tough for this team to repeat what they did in Game 5. Not impossible, not unrealistic, but still harder than we want to think it will be. So slightly favoring the Jazz makes sense.
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Post#282 » by NippySudz » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:31 am

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NippySudz wrote:Man, I don't understand gambling. I'm glad I don't do it.

How are Utah's one point favorites? Can anyone tell me this? Man, I hate seeing the lines, but I can't help but to check. Seeing we were an 8.5 underdog last time made me extremely nervous and seeing -1.0 underdogs at home is like wtf. What are they seeing that I'm not seeing. I'm getting anxiety lol

They see that Kawhi's still out. It's as simple as that.

It's going to be tough for this team to repeat what they did in Game 5. Not impossible, not unrealistic, but still harder than we want to think it will be. So slightly favoring the Jazz makes sense.

I still have a hard time grasping this, considering Utah's away record all season and their numbers in the PO season. Our roleplayer three point shooters are better at home than away. Jazz players role players numbers are down bad on the road. I wonder if its some sort of advance analytics or something.

I didn't expect Marcus morris to get 25 points at utah. I'd say him scoring that would be more likely at home. Same for any role player. Is Clarkson, O'Neale, Bogandovich going to rain 17 threes in a quarter? I dont' know. I hope not, but on the road, I don't see how they win this. All series long they have shown, they are just a three point shooting team. That's it, minimal paint touches, no long twos, no midrange. Just threes.
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Post#283 » by esqtvd » Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:00 am

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NippySudz wrote:Man, I don't understand gambling. I'm glad I don't do it.

How are Utah's one point favorites? Can anyone tell me this? Man, I hate seeing the lines, but I can't help but to check. Seeing we were an 8.5 underdog last time made me extremely nervous and seeing -1.0 underdogs at home is like wtf. What are they seeing that I'm not seeing. I'm getting anxiety lol

They see that Kawhi's still out. It's as simple as that.

It's going to be tough for this team to repeat what they did in Game 5. Not impossible, not unrealistic, but still harder than we want to think it will be. So slightly favoring the Jazz makes sense.

I still have a hard time grasping this, considering Utah's away record all season and their numbers in the PO season. Our roleplayer three point shooters are better at home than away. Jazz players role players numbers are down bad on the road. I wonder if its some sort of advance analytics or something.

I didn't expect Marcus morris to get 25 points at utah. I'd say him scoring that would be more likely at home. Same for any role player. Is Clarkson, O'Neale, Bogandovich going to rain 17 threes in a quarter? I dont' know. I hope not, but on the road, I don't see how they win this. All series long they have shown, they are just a three point shooting team. That's it, minimal paint touches, no long twos, no midrange. Just threes.



Very good points. I suppose a Conley return might tilt the scales. OTOH, Rondo has been a non-factor. This hasn't been a terribly complicated X and O thing. You either pack the paint or patrol the 3-point line. IIRC, the Jazz were statistically the best defense this year, but mostly because of Gobert's nonpareil rim protection.

Frankly I think our defense is more swarming and gonzo man for man. Mano a mano. :wink: "Playmaking" has not been a factor. If you play D right, nobody is ever open. Hit your shots, take it to the hole, never give them an open look.

And work your ass off. Ever listen to those "live mic" coach's speeches? In the end, it's still a simple game.
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Post#284 » by mttwlsn16 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:07 pm

nickhx2 wrote:pisswater takes here.

the guy answers a question truthfully, something personally i appreciate. and he LITERALLY says no excuses, and he's openly talking about the adjustments he needs to make since he isn't his usual self. and clearly the injury's gotten worse as the series has gone on as well.

mitchell is considered one of the most genuine people out there and i haven't seen anything to counter that. christ almighty, the hell is wrong with you guys?
Everything was sunshine and rainbows when they were winning. Now that they're down in the series it's "I can't move."

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Post#285 » by NippySudz » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:02 pm

mttwlsn16 wrote:
nickhx2 wrote:pisswater takes here.

the guy answers a question truthfully, something personally i appreciate. and he LITERALLY says no excuses, and he's openly talking about the adjustments he needs to make since he isn't his usual self. and clearly the injury's gotten worse as the series has gone on as well.

mitchell is considered one of the most genuine people out there and i haven't seen anything to counter that. christ almighty, the hell is wrong with you guys?
Everything was sunshine and rainbows when they were winning. Now that they're down in the series it's "I can't move."

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In fact, he said clippers will mentally fold yet he's the guy slapping chairs and kicking Gatorade coolers at the slightest inconvenience.

Face it, he bought into what the media was saying about the clippers. I find that kind of odd considering they also blew a 3-1 lead last year as well to the same exact team. The nuggets.

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Post#286 » by Clemenza » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:48 pm

Somebody start the Game 6 Thread so we can get to work
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Post#287 » by nickhx2 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:24 pm

i'd consider any comments about mentally folding or whatever he's doing kicking chairs to be irrelevant to the actual issues with his injuries.

it would be one thing if he were going on social media and going "yeah the reason we can't win is because i'm not my normal self otherwise i'd be trucking these dudes for 50 points a game." but his response is not disingenuous and it was in the confines of a post-game interview. all these dudes are human and to answer truthfully is, again, something i appreciate.

as far as the injury itself, it's pretty clear it was an issue to start the series and has only gotten worse as the series has progressed. like he literally might not play tonight. it's irrational to equate him detailing a situation with a cry for sympathy or as an excuse as to why they are losing.
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Post#288 » by KL2 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:27 pm

Until the new game thread is up … Woj reporting that Conley is working to return to the lineup tonight and Mitchell is a game time decision.
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Post#289 » by NippySudz » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:47 pm

nickhx2 wrote:i'd consider any comments about mentally folding or whatever he's doing kicking chairs to be irrelevant to the actual issues with his injuries.

it would be one thing if he were going on social media and going "yeah the reason we can't win is because i'm not my normal self otherwise i'd be trucking these dudes for 50 points a game." but his response is not disingenuous and it was in the confines of a post-game interview. all these dudes are human and to answer truthfully is, again, something i appreciate.

as far as the injury itself, it's pretty clear it was an issue to start the series and has only gotten worse as the series has progressed. like he literally might not play tonight. it's irrational to equate him detailing a situation with a cry for sympathy or as an excuse as to why they are losing.

We agree to disagree. I didn't bring up the mentally folding part in relation to the ankle.

All I'm saying, any person with a brain knows where a reporter is going when they ask questions like that. They're trying to put a narrative out there, that will be the dominant narrative.

It's a loaded question. The answer might be genuine, but the question is not. They did that with Luka after game 4. They asked hiim about his neck, even though He injured it what? Game 3. I think he went off in game 3, but him with the kinesio tape and all that jazz, wincing, etc they asked him about it and he downplayed it. Mitchell didn't. He detailed it, which you can say is a fair answer, then literally said he cannot move. Yeah, he can **** off with that last line. The first part is a benefit of the doubt, the last line, meh.

When he got the And-1, he was moving just fine. He probably can't get to his spots 100% of the time,because he's injured. But he's getting to his spots, 70% of the time, the enough time to make an impact and actually win games.

As far as injury progressing, sure I can see that as a plausible explanation. But something tells me, its not actually progressing bad. It was the clippers that took him out of the game. If he scores another 30 plus game, that would mean he had only one bad game. We're going to blame that on his ankle? BS

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the clippers began figuring him out since game 3. The ankle is hurting, no doubt it my mind, but the ankle isn't the story. It's a fake story. It's not getting progressively worse in my opinion. He's being figured out by the clippers defense and having to work that much in games on a bad ankle orchestrated by the clippers defense is the more clearer story.

I bet he goes for another 30 point game tonight. I hope in a losing effort. I want to see if people still say if his ankle is progressively getting worse or change the narrative and magically say, oh it had one day of rest and now its feeling a lot better or how his ankle threshold changes day to day, bs.
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Post#290 » by NippySudz » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:54 pm

KL2 wrote:Until the new game thread is up … Woj reporting that Conley is working to return to the lineup tonight and Mitchell is a game time decision.

This is a double edge sword.

I kinda hope he does because if he's still hurt, clippers should put him in action and attack the hell out of him. If he's like James Harden who can't turn on the afterburners, It's going to hurt more than help.

On the other hand, anything can happen and Mike Conley might go off which I don't want to see happen at all.
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Post#291 » by NickP » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pm

KL2 wrote:Until the new game thread is up … Woj reporting that Conley is working to return to the lineup tonight and Mitchell is a game time decision.

Conley returning may not be such a bad thing. For us. When a player comes back it always affects the chemistry. I'm hoping for that.
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Post#292 » by nickhx2 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:03 pm

i mean harden looked abysmal lol, and if he's forcing himself back after a hamstring injury he will be all kinds of tentative.

we've seen from years and years of it with cp3: test the hamstring and bad things happen. for his sake i hope he doesn't come back.
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Post#293 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:12 pm

Conley scares the crap out of me, regardless of the hamstring, because he's one of the all-time Clipper killers in NBA history.

It would be so Clippers for him to come back and just torch us and carry Utah to a series-changing win.
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Post#294 » by NippySudz » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:27 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Conley scares the crap out of me, regardless of the hamstring, because he's one of the all-time Clipper killers in NBA history.

It would be so Clippers for him to come back and just torch us and carry Utah to a series-changing win.

Yup, its a double edge sword. I rather deal with the devil I've been knowing for six games in this series and rather him sit out. But if he comes back, I hope clippers test that hamstring and attack him all the time, like how the suns did with AD's groin in game 6.
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Post#295 » by 50CalClips » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:06 pm

NippySudz wrote:Man, I don't understand gambling. I'm glad I don't do it.

How are Utah's one point favorites? Can anyone tell me this? Man, I hate seeing the lines, but I can't help but to check. Seeing we were an 8.5 underdog last time made me extremely nervous and seeing -1.0 underdogs at home is like wtf. What are they seeing that I'm not seeing. I'm getting anxiety lol


How much would you pay to see the Clippers win the Title? Or to win the WC Finals? Or simply to get to the WC Finals?

I had this plan back in 2006 Playoffs... and I was living in Las Vegas, btw. I was seriously contemplating betting $1000 on a game 7 scenario (though we only got to Game 6 vs the Suns in the Semis). That if the Clippers win, I'd be happy to 'give away' $1000 to see my Clippers win it. And if the Clippers lose, I'd console myself with a nice payout.
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Post#296 » by esqtvd » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:29 pm

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NippySudz wrote:Man, I don't understand gambling. I'm glad I don't do it.

How are Utah's one point favorites? Can anyone tell me this? Man, I hate seeing the lines, but I can't help but to check. Seeing we were an 8.5 underdog last time made me extremely nervous and seeing -1.0 underdogs at home is like wtf. What are they seeing that I'm not seeing. I'm getting anxiety lol


How much would you pay to see the Clippers win the Title? Or to win the WC Finals? Or simply to get to the WC Finals?

I had this plan back in 2006 Playoffs... and I was living in Las Vegas, btw. I was seriously contemplating betting $1000 on a game 7 scenario (though we only got to Game 6 vs the Suns in the Semis). That if the Clippers win, I'd be happy to 'give away' $1000 to see my Clippers win it. And if the Clippers lose, I'd console myself with a nice payout.


Yah but I just can't bet against my own team. The basketball gods don't dig that s***.
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