Round 3 WCF Game 3 - at Los Angeles 6 p.m. PST ESPN

[MartinToVaught]

And now, he took this kid Phoenix team farther than he ever took his more talented Clipper teams. Respekt.

CP3 didn't take anyone anywhere. Booker and Ayton are why the Suns are here.

Maybe if he had let prime Blake do the carrying and didn't force us to hire Doc, Lob City could have made it this far too.

[NickP]

And now, he took this kid Phoenix team farther than he ever took his more talented Clipper teams. Respekt.

CP3 didn't take anyone anywhere. Booker and Ayton are why the Suns are here.

Maybe if he had let prime Blake do the carrying and didn't force us to hire Doc, Lob City could have made it this far too.

So you're actually saying that without CP3, the Suns would still be in this position?

[mttwlsn16]

And now, he took this kid Phoenix team farther than he ever took his more talented Clipper teams. Respekt.

CP3 didn't take anyone anywhere. Booker and Ayton are why the Suns are here.

Maybe if he had let prime Blake do the carrying and didn't force us to hire Doc, Lob City could have made it this far too.

So you're actually saying that without CP3, the Suns would still be in this position?

Lol no chance

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[MartinToVaught]

And now, he took this kid Phoenix team farther than he ever took his more talented Clipper teams. Respekt.

CP3 didn't take anyone anywhere. Booker and Ayton are why the Suns are here.

Maybe if he had let prime Blake do the carrying and didn't force us to hire Doc, Lob City could have made it this far too.

So you're actually saying that without CP3, the Suns would still be in this position?

Remember how great they were in the bubble last year with Rubio instead of CP3? They were going to be a playoff team this year regardless. Now, past that point, how good they would have been depends on which moves their front office would have made if they didn't get CP3. He's still a key piece for their team, but Ayton and Booker are their most important players.

[clipperlover]

And now, he took this kid Phoenix team farther than he ever took his more talented Clipper teams. Respekt.

CP3 didn't take anyone anywhere. Booker and Ayton are why the Suns are here.

Maybe if he had let prime Blake do the carrying and didn't force us to hire Doc, Lob City could have made it this far too.

So you're actually saying that without CP3, the Suns would still be in this position?

While CP3 is getting credit, he statistically hasn't provided them much more than Rubio other than better shooting %. Rubio and Cameron Payne only had 8 games together. A full year of Payne and Jae Crowder added to last year's team still makes them a playoff team. If AD doesn't go down, Phoenix is sitting at home right now. The Suns made the WCF because the Nuggets had a terrible starting back court by the end of the season. The Suns felt they needed CP and were willing to suck up his $41M contract. They could have gotten more bang for their buck elsewhere though.

What we want is for Chris Paul to be playing 34+ minutes per game. Suns were 4-6 this year when he plays 36+. 9-11 when he plays 34+.

[esqtvd]

CP3 didn't take anyone anywhere. Booker and Ayton are why the Suns are here.

Maybe if he had let prime Blake do the carrying and didn't force us to hire Doc, Lob City could have made it this far too.

So you're actually saying that without CP3, the Suns would still be in this position?

While CP3 is getting credit, he statistically hasn't provided them much more than Rubio other than better shooting %. Rubio and Cameron Payne only had 8 games together. A full year of Payne and Jae Crowder added to last year's team still makes them a playoff team. If AD doesn't go down, Phoenix is sitting at home right now. The Suns made the WCF because the Nuggets had a terrible starting back court by the end of the season. The Suns felt they needed CP and were willing to suck up his $41M contract. They could have gotten more bang for their buck elsewhere though.

What we want is for Chris Paul to be playing 34+ minutes per game. Suns were 4-6 this year when he plays 36+. 9-11 when he plays 34+.

The ONLY thing Rubio is comparable is assists--8.8 to CP's 8.9. In no other category is it even close. For spacing alone, CP's 39.5% on 3-pointers v Rubio's 30.8% is a huge difference, as well as CP's 50% FG/55% eFG vs Rubio's 39%/45%.

[clipperlover]

So you're actually saying that without CP3, the Suns would still be in this position?

While CP3 is getting credit, he statistically hasn't provided them much more than Rubio other than better shooting %. Rubio and Cameron Payne only had 8 games together. A full year of Payne and Jae Crowder added to last year's team still makes them a playoff team. If AD doesn't go down, Phoenix is sitting at home right now. The Suns made the WCF because the Nuggets had a terrible starting back court by the end of the season. The Suns felt they needed CP and were willing to suck up his $41M contract. They could have gotten more bang for their buck elsewhere though.

What we want is for Chris Paul to be playing 34+ minutes per game. Suns were 4-6 this year when he plays 36+. 9-11 when he plays 34+.

The ONLY thing Rubio is comparable is assists--8.8 to CP's 8.9. In no other category is it even close. For spacing alone, CP's 39.5% on 3-pointers v Rubio's 30.8% is a huge difference, as well as CP's 50% FG/55% eFG vs Rubio's 39%/45%.

Looks like you compared Rubio's stats (other than assists) playing with a crappy Minny team and not with the Suns last season. Rubio was 36% from 3 last season and 44% from the field.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2021.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2020.html

TVD, I expect better information from you. You know how to look these numbers up.

Please tell me you aren't using the resident PG experts stats site? It's glitchy.

[esqtvd]

While CP3 is getting credit, he statistically hasn't provided them much more than Rubio other than better shooting %. Rubio and Cameron Payne only had 8 games together. A full year of Payne and Jae Crowder added to last year's team still makes them a playoff team. If AD doesn't go down, Phoenix is sitting at home right now. The Suns made the WCF because the Nuggets had a terrible starting back court by the end of the season. The Suns felt they needed CP and were willing to suck up his $41M contract. They could have gotten more bang for their buck elsewhere though.

What we want is for Chris Paul to be playing 34+ minutes per game. Suns were 4-6 this year when he plays 36+. 9-11 when he plays 34+.

The ONLY thing Rubio is comparable is assists--8.8 to CP's 8.9. In no other category is it even close. For spacing alone, CP's 39.5% on 3-pointers v Rubio's 30.8% is a huge difference, as well as CP's 50% FG/55% eFG vs Rubio's 39%/45%.

Looks like you compared Rubio's stats (other than assists) playing with a crappy Minny team and not with the Suns last season. Rubio was 36% from 3 last season and 44% from the field.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2021.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2020.html

TVD, I expect better information from you. You know how to look these numbers up.

Please tell me you aren't using the resident PG experts stats site? It's glitchy.

You are correct; my bad. I am wrong at least once a year. But Rubio was only 41.5% from the field [backatcha lol].

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rubiori01.html



Still, Rubio's 41.5%/47% eFG is far inferior to CP's 50%/56% and WS of 4.9 v Chris's 9.2.

CP himself was a plus+4.4 per game while Rubio was plus+2.3 in similar minutes. The Suns went from 14th in pls-minus [+0.2] to 4th [+5.2] this year. 5 net points a game is a big deal, and Chris was single-handedly responsible for at least 2 of them. Credit where it is due.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612756


But I like your stat about CP playing more than 34 minutes.

[clipperlover]

The ONLY thing Rubio is comparable is assists--8.8 to CP's 8.9. In no other category is it even close. For spacing alone, CP's 39.5% on 3-pointers v Rubio's 30.8% is a huge difference, as well as CP's 50% FG/55% eFG vs Rubio's 39%/45%.

Looks like you compared Rubio's stats (other than assists) playing with a crappy Minny team and not with the Suns last season. Rubio was 36% from 3 last season and 44% from the field.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2021.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2020.html

TVD, I expect better information from you. You know how to look these numbers up.

Please tell me you aren't using the resident PG experts stats site? It's glitchy.

You are correct; my bad. I am wrong at least once a year. But Rubio was only 41.5% from the field [backatcha lol].

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rubiori01.html



Still, Rubio's 41.5%/47% eFG is far inferior to CP's 50%/56% and WS of 4.9 v Chris's 9.2.

CP himself was a plus+4.4 per game while Rubio was plus+2.3 in similar minutes. The Suns went from 14th in pls-minus [+0.2] to 4th [+5.2] this year. 5 net points a game is a big deal, and Chris was single-handedly responsible for at least 2 of them. Credit where it is due.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612756


But I like your stat about CP playing more than 34 minutes.

My bad. I entered the 2p FG% vice the FG%