Game 30: Los Angeles Clippers @ Oklahoma City Thunder : Dec 18 5:00 PM PCT

[esqtvd]

"Doc Rivers scholarships" was a phrase used by one of your fellow Doc Derangement Syndrome crew not me lol

and Doc brought him along perfectly

But Shai's up to 4.5 apg in March, very encouraging. With 74 NBA games and almost 2000 NBA minutes under his belt, he's no longer a "raw" rookie--in fact 2nd-year players Sindarius and Ty have only logged 1428 and 1402 respectively!

now kindly get out of my face

[esqtvd]

That’s what happens when you have no timeouts and your doing the offense-defense subs.

Winslow on the court wasn’t the problem but he should have been down court. The best ft shooters should have been forward.

Exactly. Some of the others should have run down to help. They also left Reggie alone on island out there in the last couple of offensive possessions. It looked like he as hero-balling but nothing could be further from the truth.

That said, Ty's style is to bench you when you're sucking, but when he gives you another chance, you get another full chance. No leash. Be yourself, get out there and BALL. Hey, if Winslow hit those FTs, he's our hero. Better to find out now.



https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2021-12-17/clippers-tyronn-lue-serge-ibaka-trust-players-nba

Ibaka isn’t the first Clipper whose role has been altered amid a 16-13 start. Justise Winslow, an August free-agency signing, has been out of the rotation for significant stretches. Lue called Eric Bledsoe, a starter for nearly his entire career, only weeks ago to discuss having him play off the bench as the reserves’ primary ballhandler, and while Bledsoe wasn’t surprised — his assumption after arriving in August via trade was that he would play off the bench — he said he appreciated the heads-up from his coach nonetheless, saying others he has played for have abruptly changed players’ roles without even so much as a direct conversation.

“Playing for him is easy,” point guard Reggie Jackson said. “I think he respects everyone as a man first so that’s the biggest thing. It might be a hard conversation, it’s tough, but he doesn’t do it in a way that’s assh—-ish. You know where he’s coming from. He just wants to win. He presents it to you in a way that’s good, like you understand that it’s all about the win.”

Six months before he became a postseason revelation last June, Jackson went through his own moment of uncertainty, out of the rotation after only 10 games, a decision he learned of in a talk with Lue. It stood out to Jackson because, “I don’t think I’ve had a coach who really just addressed it,” he said.

From Jackson to Winslow, Patrick Beverley to Luke Kennard, nearly every Clippers contributor whose roles have waned has eventually found an opportunity to gain a foothold again in the rotation. Whether Ibaka can, as well, remains to be seen if Zubac and Hartenstein keep up their production before February’s trade deadline, when the Clippers will have a decision about what to do with Ibaka’s expiring contract. His deep postseason experience holds value if the Clippers are on track for a higher playoff seed. Then again, the point could be moot if he cannot crack the rotation consistently.

“The best part also is when he presents it to you, you know he’s not necessarily giving up on you,” Jackson said. “It’s just something that he’s doing, like I said, he thinks for the betterment of the team or figuring out ways to win. But you know you still have opportunities, you know you’re still in good grace.”

[Roscoe Sheed]

There is no need for offense-defense subs when you have the lead. Kennard should have been in the game instead of Winslow. Besides, Winslow was a subpar defender in tonight's game anyway. Ty is usually a decent coach, but he lost them the game tonight.

[esqtvd]

There is no need for offense-defense subs when you have the lead. Kennard should have been in the game instead of Winslow. Besides, Winslow was a subpar defender in tonight's game anyway. Ty is usually a decent coach, but he lost them the game tonight.

Per the article above, I don't think Ty's coaching that way yet.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2021-12-17/clippers-tyronn-lue-serge-ibaka-trust-players-nba

I'm a huge Justise skeptic but Ty giving him and Bledsoe maybe their last career chance is the REAL gutsy move--and the only thing that could possibly benefit the Clippers come playoff time. Or the trade deadline/buyout time. Whatever. Ibaka is on the bubble too.

Call it the Ty Lue Scholarship.

And Zubac is getting 4th quarter minutes although frankly I'm still not feeling that either. This is not the team we are going into the playoffs with--or failing a Kawhi comeback, next season either. As they say in business world: Sink or Swim. Up or Out. That's what was going on today.

[esqtvd]

reggie's hurt and i don't know why lue is continuing to play him. like, i know we're short on reinforcements but the dude is not right. a hurt reggie is not gonna be helping anyone.

Don't care that he was 6-for-20. Reggie was plus+6 with 10 assists. Playing in pain [deep thigh bruise]. Playing with mostly NBA buyouts, rejects, and 2nd-rounders.

Heroic. He was a buyout himself. Then a reject too, signing for the near-minimum the next year as an AFTERTHOUGHT.

And now with PG out, Reggie is leading our team. Nobody else is even close. I love this man as a player and as a person too.

[Clemenza]

Bad coaching decisons down the stretch and a good shot from Shai. Not sure what Batum was doin on defense on that final play

[Roscoe Sheed]

Bad coaching decisons down the stretch and a good shot from Shai. Not sure what Batum was doin on defense on that final play

Unfortunately they gave the game away.

Why on earth would you sub out Kennard for Winslow when you know the game will come down to free throws?

Batum is usually a very smart player but he played terrible D- gave up the only shot that could beat them. Hopefully they don't need this game at the end of the season

[og15]

Bad coaching decisons down the stretch and a good shot from Shai. Not sure what Batum was doin on defense on that final play

He was just lost, it seems like he overplayed for the drive, maybe thinking Shai would go for a two point shot and put himself WAY out of position. Low IQ play considering a 3 wins the game and that is what you don't want to give up.

I have noticed that Shai has been very inefficient this season, tough for him so far, but that team has probably the worst spacing in the league. Also he continues to look more like a combo guard / SG than a PG (not that this is particularly bad, just interesting to note) as Giddey has really taken on more of the primary playmaking role. Giddey is quite the solid passer though, nice size, but that shooting will need work.

[Clemenza]

Bad coaching decisons down the stretch and a good shot from Shai. Not sure what Batum was doin on defense on that final play

He was just lost, it seems like he overplayed for the drive, maybe thinking Shai would go for a two point shot and put himself WAY out of position. Low IQ play considering a 3 wins the game and that is what you don't want to give up.

I have noticed that Shai has been very inefficient this season, tough for him so far, but that team has probably the worst spacing in the league. Also he continues to look more like a combo guard / SG than a PG (not that this is particularly bad, just interesting to note) as Giddey has really taken on more of the primary playmaking role. Giddey is quite the solid passer though, nice size, but that shooting will need work.

Yeah SGA is getting double teamed at times but he still has the green light on that team. He has a 30 point outburst in a few games but numerous games where he doesn't even hit 20 points. He's kind of like their flash but it seems that Giddy and Dort are the true backbone and workhorses of the team. But we have no clue as to what that team is trying to do anyways. Tank, win games, acquire more first round picks, try to tank some more but they keep accidently winning games.. who knows. If they're trying to tank then Shai can't sit as he's trying to build his brand and get his name hot within the league and Dort can't sit as he's out for a "real NBA contract" instead of the lowball-extortion deal he signed a couple of years ago. I hope he fired his agent

[og15]

Bad coaching decisons down the stretch and a good shot from Shai. Not sure what Batum was doin on defense on that final play

He was just lost, it seems like he overplayed for the drive, maybe thinking Shai would go for a two point shot and put himself WAY out of position. Low IQ play considering a 3 wins the game and that is what you don't want to give up.

I have noticed that Shai has been very inefficient this season, tough for him so far, but that team has probably the worst spacing in the league. Also he continues to look more like a combo guard / SG than a PG (not that this is particularly bad, just interesting to note) as Giddey has really taken on more of the primary playmaking role. Giddey is quite the solid passer though, nice size, but that shooting will need work.

Yeah SGA is getting double teamed at times but he still has the green light on that team. He has a 30 point outburst in a few games but numerous games where he doesn't even hit 20 points. He's kind of like their flash but it seems that Giddy and Dort are the true backbone and workhorses of the team. But we have no clue as to what that team is trying to do anyways. Tank, win games, acquire more first round picks, try to tank some more but they keep accidently winning games.. who knows. If they're trying to tank then Shai can't sit as he's trying to build his brand and get his name hot within the league and Dort can't sit as he's out for a "real NBA contract" instead of the lowball-extortion deal he signed a couple of years ago. I hope he fired his agent

Yea, a 4 year minimum contract was quite a bad decision. Two years at most and have to trust that you would at least be good enough to get another minimum contract, and the agent should have helped convince him of that instead of having himsig a fear contract.

Agreed though, who knows what OKC is doing, I mean roster wise, that group is not going to win a lot of games. So putting a group that can go hard and work on good habits, even if they lose a lot is fine, kinda a win/win in a sense.

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[nickhx2]

a few of those i didn't notice but that dort one was inexcusable

[esqtvd]

a few of those i didn't notice but that dort one was inexcusable

and there was one on Hartenstein in the 3rd where he LITERALLY CRAWLED in and out of the lane to avoid a 3-seconds call
and they whistled him for it anyway

hey, the OKC crowd was INTO it
I guess the refs got carried away