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How ugly would things get if PG played the way Harden does in the post season? 

Post#1 » by Clemenza » Sat May 14, 2022 12:40 am

Can't believe the passes this dude Harden gets. PG scores, rebounds, defends, runs a lot of point(unfortunately), reps the team off the court, etc. But one bad game and he's thrown under the bus and obliterated by at least one-thirds of the Clipper fanbase every single time- no names but I see ya'll. This dude Harden does absolutely nothing for damn near an entire series and its minimal blowback at best. :nonono:
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Post#2 » by esqtvd » Sat May 14, 2022 1:39 am

Clemenza wrote:Can't believe the passes this dude Harden gets. PG scores, rebounds, defends, runs a lot of point(unfortunately), reps the team off the court, etc. But one bad game and he's thrown under the bus and obliterated by at least one-thirds of the Clipper fanbase every single time- no names but I see ya'll. This dude Harden does absolutely nothing for damn near an entire series and its minimal blowback at best. :nonono:



When PG came back from the Bubble humiliation, he was married to his baby momma, and in shape with a leadership attitude. If Pandemic P had showed up instead, Kawhi would not have re-signed, I'm sure of it.


Meanwhile in Negadelphia, it's Harden getting the heat, not Doc. And the FO for letting Jimmy Buckets go and keeping Tobias instead.
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Post#3 » by nickhx2 » Sat May 14, 2022 2:55 am

i mean i don't see some kinda poll telling us precisely how many clipper fans were crapping on paul george vs how many 76er fans are crapping on harden now so your take seems to be pretty knee-jerk. like, are you sure they're treating harden as an innocent on the 76ers board? on their reddit? because philadelphia fans are notorious for being vicious to their own if they're dropping the ball.

i will say that there are dumb fans saying dumb and illogical things for every fanbase. you have more than a few of those guys posting here regularly on this board in regards to myriad topics - where my reactions range from "wow that dude is out of touch" to "wow that dude is touched in the head".

anyway, paul george's performance a couple years ago upset plenty of people simply because the cost of acquiring him was extremely high, so it's really easy for the LCD of fans to go "oh well we traded 5 picks and shai for THIS?? (despite the fact that kawhi was literally going to sign with the lakers if we didn't put up for a second star).

and if you contrast that to harden, yeah he didn't look good at all and he's declining but if i were a 76er fan i'd have been ecstatic to trade simmons for him to begin with, and on top of that i'd be praying doc and embiid and my entire org wasn't pissing him off and causing him to leave. so basically i see fans as being grateful they even got a return for simmons to begin with, and also with a reasonable amount of hope he'll come back healthy and better next season.

it's all perspective i guess lol
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Post#4 » by nickhx2 » Sat May 14, 2022 3:04 am

btw probably the elephant in the room as to why harden might be flying under the radar (if at all, again, i don't really know how fans are perceiving him) is doc rivers being the head coach and acting like he has zero accountability.

i mean it was the same for us, except personally i didn't watch enough of that series to definitively say that his usual strategy or tactics were the key cogs in their loss. and to add further contrast, we watched every game of our denver series, enough to know for sure that doc's insistence on letting montrezl harrell (of all people) guard jokic in critical stretch and game after critical stretch and game, was what caused the team to implode.

either way, i'm sure all his comments afterwards are certainly enough to draw any ire away from the actual players, even if they underperformed in an elimination game. so ya, there's that, as a potential reason as to why harden might be evading any flak you're expecting him to catch lol
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Post#5 » by esqtvd » Sat May 14, 2022 3:58 am

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and if you contrast that to harden, yeah he didn't look good at all and he's declining but if i were a 76er fan i'd have been ecstatic to trade simmons for him to begin with, and on top of that i'd be praying doc and embiid and my entire org wasn't pissing him off and causing him to leave. so basically i see fans as being grateful they even got a return for simmons to begin with, and also with a reasonable amount of hope he'll come back healthy and better next season.

it's all perspective i guess lol



Forget Simmons: They are not happy about losing a FRP, a sharpshooting starter [and occasional difference-maker when he gets hot] in Seth Curry and the best backup enter in the NBA in Andre Drummond. Both were Doc's guys. Everybody knows Harden is Daryl Morey's guy. Morey destroyed the Rockets franchise for YEARS trying to keep The Beard happy. And now this.

They don't hate him but they expected a helluva lot more for $40 million per.

nickhx2 wrote:btw probably the elephant in the room as to why harden might be flying under the radar (if at all, again, i don't really know how fans are perceiving him) is doc rivers being the head coach and acting like he has zero accountability.

i mean it was the same for us, except personally i didn't watch enough of that series to definitively say that his usual strategy or tactics were the key cogs in their loss. and to add further contrast, we watched every game of our denver series, enough to know for sure that doc's insistence on letting montrezl harrell (of all people) guard jokic in critical stretch and game after critical stretch and game, was what caused the team to implode.

either way, i'm sure all his comments afterwards are certainly enough to draw any ire away from the actual players, even if they underperformed in an elimination game. so ya, there's that, as a potential reason as to why harden might be evading any flak you're expecting him to catch lol



No, KL and Pandemic P's disaster in The Bubble caused the Clippers to implode. Doc took the fall--you couldn't fire your two top players making 80% of the money.

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and they know that near-max Tobias is weak [that's why the Clippers dumped him] and letting Jimmy Butler leave to keep Toby was one of the worst moves in Philly history

and frankly they're a little unhappy with Embiid--after he didnt win the MVP the fire went out in his belly



make no mistake, they don't like Doc but are smart enough to know this one can't be put on him
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Post#6 » by MartinToVaught » Sat May 14, 2022 4:19 am

LOL. Here we go again. It's been a decade since Glenn's even sniffed a conference finals, but sure, it's all the players' fault.
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Post#7 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sat May 14, 2022 5:16 am

nickhx2 wrote:i mean i don't see some kinda poll telling us precisely how many clipper fans were crapping on paul george vs how many 76er fans are crapping on harden now so your take seems to be pretty knee-jerk. like, are you sure they're treating harden as an innocent on the 76ers board? on their reddit? because philadelphia fans are notorious for being vicious to their own if they're dropping the ball.

i will say that there are dumb fans saying dumb and illogical things for every fanbase. you have more than a few of those guys posting here regularly on this board in regards to myriad topics - where my reactions range from "wow that dude is out of touch" to "wow that dude is touched in the head".

anyway, paul george's performance a couple years ago upset plenty of people simply because the cost of acquiring him was extremely high, so it's really easy for the LCD of fans to go "oh well we traded 5 picks and shai for THIS?? (despite the fact that kawhi was literally going to sign with the lakers if we didn't put up for a second star).

and if you contrast that to harden, yeah he didn't look good at all and he's declining but if i were a 76er fan i'd have been ecstatic to trade simmons for him to begin with, and on top of that i'd be praying doc and embiid and my entire org wasn't pissing him off and causing him to leave. so basically i see fans as being grateful they even got a return for simmons to begin with, and also with a reasonable amount of hope he'll come back healthy and better next season.

it's all perspective i guess lol



great analysis.

While it is true that some Clipper fans tore into PG13, it is more fans of other teams that love to tear him down when he struggles. I guess he has pissed off a lot of fan bases (Pacers, Lakers, Blazers)
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Post#8 » by nickhx2 » Sat May 14, 2022 6:17 am

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nickhx2 wrote:i mean i don't see some kinda poll telling us precisely how many clipper fans were crapping on paul george vs how many 76er fans are crapping on harden now so your take seems to be pretty knee-jerk. like, are you sure they're treating harden as an innocent on the 76ers board? on their reddit? because philadelphia fans are notorious for being vicious to their own if they're dropping the ball.

i will say that there are dumb fans saying dumb and illogical things for every fanbase. you have more than a few of those guys posting here regularly on this board in regards to myriad topics - where my reactions range from "wow that dude is out of touch" to "wow that dude is touched in the head".

anyway, paul george's performance a couple years ago upset plenty of people simply because the cost of acquiring him was extremely high, so it's really easy for the LCD of fans to go "oh well we traded 5 picks and shai for THIS?? (despite the fact that kawhi was literally going to sign with the lakers if we didn't put up for a second star).

and if you contrast that to harden, yeah he didn't look good at all and he's declining but if i were a 76er fan i'd have been ecstatic to trade simmons for him to begin with, and on top of that i'd be praying doc and embiid and my entire org wasn't pissing him off and causing him to leave. so basically i see fans as being grateful they even got a return for simmons to begin with, and also with a reasonable amount of hope he'll come back healthy and better next season.

it's all perspective i guess lol



great analysis.

While it is true that some Clipper fans tore into PG13, it is more fans of other teams that love to tear him down when he struggles. I guess he has pissed off a lot of fan bases (Pacers, Lakers, Blazers)


oh ya for sure. he got taken to task primarily from GB hot-take clowns and people who generally had a low understanding of basketball to begin with - though i suppose those guys are often one and the same. then there's just your average laker enjoyer/clipper hater, guys who are the most insecure people on the internet who will pounce on any moment of weakness like it's the ultimate GOTCHA moment and add it to their glass case of other idiotic GOTCHA hot take trophies.

i mean yeah, i thought he kinda earned himself some memery because of his playoff P proclamation, but obviously plenty of people took it too far and he proved he was better than that the following year.

for whatever it's worth, harden is definitely being given a rightful thrashing by plenty of basketball fans, whether they're 76er fans or not.
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Post#9 » by esqtvd » Sat May 14, 2022 6:34 am

LOL. Here we go again. It's been a decade since Glenn's even sniffed a conference finals, but sure, it's all the players' fault.


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Post#10 » by esqtvd » Sat May 14, 2022 6:38 am

nickhx2 wrote:
and if you contrast that to harden, yeah he didn't look good at all and he's declining but if i were a 76er fan i'd have been ecstatic to trade simmons for him to begin with, and on top of that i'd be praying doc and embiid and my entire org wasn't pissing him off and causing him to leave. so basically i see fans as being grateful they even got a return for simmons to begin with, and also with a reasonable amount of hope he'll come back healthy and better next season.

it's all perspective i guess lol



Forget Simmons: They are not happy about losing a FRP, a sharpshooting starter [and occasional difference-maker when he gets hot] in Seth Curry and the best backup center in the NBA in Andre Drummond. Both were Doc's guys. Everybody knows Harden is Daryl Morey's guy. Morey destroyed the Rockets franchise for YEARS trying to keep The Beard happy. And now this.

They don't hate him but they expected a helluva lot more for $40 million per.

nickhx2 wrote:btw probably the elephant in the room as to why harden might be flying under the radar (if at all, again, i don't really know how fans are perceiving him) is doc rivers being the head coach and acting like he has zero accountability.

i mean it was the same for us, except personally i didn't watch enough of that series to definitively say that his usual strategy or tactics were the key cogs in their loss. and to add further contrast, we watched every game of our denver series, enough to know for sure that doc's insistence on letting montrezl harrell (of all people) guard jokic in critical stretch and game after critical stretch and game, was what caused the team to implode.

either way, i'm sure all his comments afterwards are certainly enough to draw any ire away from the actual players, even if they underperformed in an elimination game. so ya, there's that, as a potential reason as to why harden might be evading any flak you're expecting him to catch lol



No, KL and Pandemic P's disaster in The Bubble caused the Clippers to implode. Doc took the fall--you couldn't fire your two top players making 80% of the money.

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and they know that near-max Tobias is weak [that's why the Clippers dumped him] and letting Jimmy Butler leave to keep Toby was one of the worst moves in Philly history

and frankly they're a little unhappy with Embiid--after he didnt win the MVP the fire went out in his belly



make no mistake, they don't like Doc but are smart enough to know this one can't be put on him
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Post#11 » by nickhx2 » Sun May 15, 2022 7:57 pm

Clemenza wrote:Can't believe the passes this dude Harden gets. PG scores, rebounds, defends, runs a lot of point(unfortunately), reps the team off the court, etc. But one bad game and he's thrown under the bus and obliterated by at least one-thirds of the Clipper fanbase every single time- no names but I see ya'll. This dude Harden does absolutely nothing for damn near an entire series and its minimal blowback at best. :nonono:


btw not sure if you saw this, and it's off tangent to your original post, but if you or anyone hasn't, i thought this was really neat

https://synergysports.com/impacting-other-players-shot-quality/

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first main graphic of note is basically players that make it easier for their teammates to score: in this one, paul george is tied for 5th with jokic(!!!) in expected points added to teammate's shots over the past 2 seasons. and while i wouldn't ever say he's the same level playmaker (and of course any model will have its flaws and limitations), at least i think it shows there's something there with him on the floor. additionally, lue said something a while ago about how the team has never really been able to fully implement all its ideas on offense because of injuries to kawhi/paul george, and given last year that clearly still hasn't come to fruition, so my big hope is that this coming training camp, everyone will finally be fully healthy and they can do all the things they've had in mind since lue's promotion to HC.



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second graphic of note is the combination of adding value to teammate's shots while making it tougher for opponents to score, and paul george rates well enough in both categories that he makes it into the 2nd quadrant of players.


like i said, off tangent to the OP but i do think this idea of PG as the PG probably has some more soundness in reality than just in theory, even if it's looked pretty off, at times. but hopefully a training camp where the entire team's healthy (and this new and improved PG with better handles and decision making) will let us see what we can do at our full potential.
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Post#12 » by esqtvd » Mon May 16, 2022 3:05 am

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Clemenza wrote:Can't believe the passes this dude Harden gets. PG scores, rebounds, defends, runs a lot of point(unfortunately), reps the team off the court, etc. But one bad game and he's thrown under the bus and obliterated by at least one-thirds of the Clipper fanbase every single time- no names but I see ya'll. This dude Harden does absolutely nothing for damn near an entire series and its minimal blowback at best. :nonono:


btw not sure if you saw this, and it's off tangent to your original post, but if you or anyone hasn't, i thought this was really neat

https://synergysports.com/impacting-other-players-shot-quality/

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first main graphic of note is basically players that make it easier for their teammates to score: in this one, paul george is tied for 5th with jokic(!!!) in expected points added to teammate's shots over the past 2 seasons. and while i wouldn't ever say he's the same level playmaker (and of course any model will have its flaws and limitations), at least i think it shows there's something there with him on the floor. additionally, lue said something a while ago about how the team has never really been able to fully implement all its ideas on offense because of injuries to kawhi/paul george, and given last year that clearly still hasn't come to fruition, so my big hope is that this coming training camp, everyone will finally be fully healthy and they can do all the things they've had in mind since lue's promotion to HC.

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second graphic of note is the combination of adding value to teammate's shots while making it tougher for opponents to score, and paul george rates well enough in both categories that he makes it into the 2nd quadrant of players.


like i said, off tangent to the OP but i do think this idea of PG as the PG probably has some more soundness in reality than just in theory, even if it's looked pretty off, at times. but hopefully a training camp where the entire team's healthy (and this new and improved PG with better handles and decision making) will let us see what we can do at our full potential.




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And Budenholzer and Monty Williams both CHOKED in their closeout game? By THIRTY points??? Maybe we can put our blame game to bed? Me, I think we were just never quite good--or healthy--enough.

I think we CRUISE to the title last year if Kawhi doesn't blow out a knee. But he did and we didn't. THIS year too. But so it goes.


Next year. Kawhi & PG plus Norman and RoCo...

I'm stoked.
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esqtvd wrote:Next year. Kawhi & PG plus Norman and RoCo...

I'm stoked.


I'd add Terance too.

If these playoffs have shown anything, it's that those who play physical or respond to increased physicality win.

Terance is that guy in regards to Hustle, physicality, athleticism, energy.
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Post#14 » by esqtvd » Tue May 17, 2022 12:30 am

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esqtvd wrote:Next year. Kawhi & PG plus Norman and RoCo...

I'm stoked.


I'd add Terance too.

If these playoffs have shown anything, it's that those who play physical or respond to increased physicality win.

Terance is that guy in regards to Hustle, physicality, athleticism, energy.



A little under 6'5" and only a 6′ 7.75” wingspan. A willing rebounder but not a dominating one--not a great leaper, and with a standing reach of 8'5", he gives away 3-4 inches to legitimate SFs. And as a scorer, 13 points and only 1.2 three-pointers per 36 minutes doesn't scare anybody.

If only he were 6'7"-6'8". As OG put it, we need a 4/5, not a 2/3.
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esqtvd wrote:
Captain Ballmer wrote:
esqtvd wrote:Next year. Kawhi & PG plus Norman and RoCo...

I'm stoked.


I'd add Terance too.

If these playoffs have shown anything, it's that those who play physical or respond to increased physicality win.

Terance is that guy in regards to Hustle, physicality, athleticism, energy.



A little under 6'5" and only a 6′ 7.75” wingspan. A willing rebounder but not a dominating one--not a great leaper, and with a standing reach of 8'5", he gives away 3-4 inches to legitimate SFs. And as a scorer, 13 points and only 1.2 three-pointers per 36 minutes doesn't scare anybody.

If only he were 6'7"-6'8". As OG put it, we need a 4/5, not a 2/3.


Those 2/3/4/5 numbers are meaningless on the era nba play positionless.

When i see Jrue, white, gary payton, smart, lowry, vincent, bev, edwards hustling on perimeter D i can easily imagine where Terance can help.

On a possible Dallas matchup next year, i would feel more comfortable with terance on the floor next to Kawhi/pg13/roco/batum over powell/reggie/kennard/coffey/boston/preston/zu/morris. Just sayin.
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Post#16 » by esqtvd » Tue May 17, 2022 8:06 am

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esqtvd wrote:
Captain Ballmer wrote:
I'd add Terance too.

If these playoffs have shown anything, it's that those who play physical or respond to increased physicality win.

Terance is that guy in regards to Hustle, physicality, athleticism, energy.



A little under 6'5" and only a 6′ 7.75” wingspan. A willing rebounder but not a dominating one--not a great leaper, and with a standing reach of 8'5", he gives away 3-4 inches to legitimate SFs. And as a scorer, 13 points and only 1.2 three-pointers per 36 minutes doesn't scare anybody.

If only he were 6'7"-6'8". As OG put it, we need a 4/5, not a 2/3.


Those 2/3/4/5 numbers are meaningless on the era nba play positionless.

When i see Jrue, white, gary payton, smart, lowry, vincent, bev, edwards hustling on perimeter D i can easily imagine where Terance can help.

On a possible Dallas matchup next year, i would feel more comfortable with terance on the floor next to Kawhi/pg13/roco/batum over powell/reggie/kennard/coffey/boston/preston/zu/morris. Just sayin.


I love us our T-Mann. But he can't play PG. We TRIED.

He is undersized at SF. [see above]

And he's SG who can't S.


He is not a 1. Or a 2. Or a 3. And forget 4.
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Post#17 » by madmaxmedia » Wed May 18, 2022 3:31 am

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nickhx2 wrote:
Clemenza wrote:Can't believe the passes this dude Harden gets. PG scores, rebounds, defends, runs a lot of point(unfortunately), reps the team off the court, etc. But one bad game and he's thrown under the bus and obliterated by at least one-thirds of the Clipper fanbase every single time- no names but I see ya'll. This dude Harden does absolutely nothing for damn near an entire series and its minimal blowback at best. :nonono:


btw not sure if you saw this, and it's off tangent to your original post, but if you or anyone hasn't, i thought this was really neat

https://synergysports.com/impacting-other-players-shot-quality/

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first main graphic of note is basically players that make it easier for their teammates to score: in this one, paul george is tied for 5th with jokic(!!!) in expected points added to teammate's shots over the past 2 seasons. and while i wouldn't ever say he's the same level playmaker (and of course any model will have its flaws and limitations), at least i think it shows there's something there with him on the floor. additionally, lue said something a while ago about how the team has never really been able to fully implement all its ideas on offense because of injuries to kawhi/paul george, and given last year that clearly still hasn't come to fruition, so my big hope is that this coming training camp, everyone will finally be fully healthy and they can do all the things they've had in mind since lue's promotion to HC.



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second graphic of note is the combination of adding value to teammate's shots while making it tougher for opponents to score, and paul george rates well enough in both categories that he makes it into the 2nd quadrant of players.


like i said, off tangent to the OP but i do think this idea of PG as the PG probably has some more soundness in reality than just in theory, even if it's looked pretty off, at times. but hopefully a training camp where the entire team's healthy (and this new and improved PG with better handles and decision making) will let us see what we can do at our full potential.


That second graphic is great. I think PG is really effective as major ball handler and facing the basket (not necessarily as starting PG but a main ball handler initiating our offense.) His handles and shake are great for a guy his size and length, he can pull up from just about anywhere, and while his decision making is not always perfect he is dynamic enough to relate more offense than he loses.

Probably for rest sake though I’d rather not have him be outright the main 1, we should always have another ball handler on the floor with him. Hopefully with good team health he won’t have to carry such a huge load next year.
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Post#18 » by madmaxmedia » Wed May 18, 2022 11:48 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Captain Ballmer wrote:
esqtvd wrote:

A little under 6'5" and only a 6′ 7.75” wingspan. A willing rebounder but not a dominating one--not a great leaper, and with a standing reach of 8'5", he gives away 3-4 inches to legitimate SFs. And as a scorer, 13 points and only 1.2 three-pointers per 36 minutes doesn't scare anybody.

If only he were 6'7"-6'8". As OG put it, we need a 4/5, not a 2/3.


Those 2/3/4/5 numbers are meaningless on the era nba play positionless.

When i see Jrue, white, gary payton, smart, lowry, vincent, bev, edwards hustling on perimeter D i can easily imagine where Terance can help.

On a possible Dallas matchup next year, i would feel more comfortable with terance on the floor next to Kawhi/pg13/roco/batum over powell/reggie/kennard/coffey/boston/preston/zu/morris. Just sayin.


I love us our T-Mann. But he can't play PG. We TRIED.

He is undersized at SF. [see above]

And he's SG who can't S.


He is not a 1. Or a 2. Or a 3. And forget 4.


In the NBA Mann has lived up to what he was in college, which s a nice accomplishment. I remember reading his nickname back then was 'Wifi', because he makes the entire team better/faster. He should be great next year with PG and Kawhi.
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Those 2/3/4/5 numbers are meaningless on the era nba play positionless.

When i see Jrue, white, gary payton, smart, lowry, vincent, bev, edwards hustling on perimeter D i can easily imagine where Terance can help.

On a possible Dallas matchup next year, i would feel more comfortable with terance on the floor next to Kawhi/pg13/roco/batum over powell/reggie/kennard/coffey/boston/preston/zu/morris. Just sayin.


I love us our T-Mann. But he can't play PG. We TRIED.

He is undersized at SF. [see above]

And he's SG who can't S.


He is not a 1. Or a 2. Or a 3. And forget 4.


In the NBA Mann has lived up to what he was in college, which s a nice accomplishment. I remember reading his nickname back then was 'Wifi', because he makes the entire team better/faster. He should be great next year with PG and Kawhi.

No doubt he stands out when he's backing up the star players. Him having expectations to do things on his own and create and things change drastically for him. I was shocked he couldn't give us at least ten points in the close out game against the Pelicans. But maybe he improves yet again in the off season for us
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Re: How ugly would things get if PG played the way Harden does in the post season? 

Post#20 » by esqtvd » Thu May 19, 2022 5:08 am

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esqtvd wrote:
I love us our T-Mann. But he can't play PG. We TRIED.

He is undersized at SF. [see above]

And he's SG who can't S.


He is not a 1. Or a 2. Or a 3. And forget 4.


In the NBA Mann has lived up to what he was in college, which s a nice accomplishment. I remember reading his nickname back then was 'Wifi', because he makillie Greenes the entire team better/faster. He should be great next year with PG and Kawhi.


No doubt he stands out when he's backing up the star players. Him having expectations to do things on his own and create and things change drastically for him. I was shocked he couldn't give us at least ten points in the close out game against the Pelicans. But maybe he improves yet again in the off season for us



Absent some miracle transformation in his game, you may have nailed it.

No doubt he stands out when he's backing up the star players.



Hey, Russell Westbrook can get you a triple-double every night but is downright unplayable with even one other star on the floor. So I have no problem with role players--Nic Batum is a credible placeholder starter and the ultimate glue guy. Also: Lamar Odom and Shane Battier. Patty Mills, Danny Green.


T-Mann just isn't in that league. He makes the minimum this year but then gets $10M a year starting next year. I think he can really help a perennial crap franchise like Charlotte. He can do 13-5-3 and come to play every night. They need that. Trade value.

I do think T-Mann can be our Willie Green eating up regular season minutes. Doc used Green brilliantly as a placeholder starter while we had tons of injuries, but Willie was not really playoff material. Look it up. T-Mann just doesn't do anything well enough to win you a playoff game. Subtract that once-in-a-lifetime 39-point game vs Utah and his playoff stats are blecch. And in the play-in games he was even worse.
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