Trade Idea Thread II

[thanumba2clippersfan]

Noah+Watson+Brewer

for

Kaman+Gordon.

Foolish? Not if you as the Bulls boards: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1115931&p=28163453#p28163453

I can't believe that someone actually came up with that trade. I guess everyone is allowed to dream aren't they?

[PerkinsFor3]

We're young, let's just give Aminu more minutes and keep the rest intact. I like our Front Court, although I wouldnt mind a veteran upgrade over Gomes/Moon. MoWill, Bledsoe, Gordon, Foye is a great backcourt rotation. Griffin, Smith, Diogu, Jordan, Kaman is a ditto frontcourt.

[Pacersike]

Sixers fan here, what is the scoop on Aminu? He strikes me as having a dangerously-high likelihood of inevitably becoming a journeyman. With his inability to shoot and poor decision making, I don't ever see him being a fulltime perimeter player. I eventually see him as a hybrid 4, much like our Thad Young but much less efficient.

Yeah, that is what I'm thinking as well when I see him play.

But I guess having a low IQ doesn't necessarily rule out the possibility of becoming more than a regular NBAmember.

[J-Kidd32]

Clippers trade
C Kaman

to the T-Wolves for
SF Webster
C Milicic


Minny then can sign Kaman to a long term deal something around 4 yr. 28 Million after his current deal expires.


Also Clippers trade

SF Ryan Gomes
Pick #47 in the 2011 NBA Draft
future 2nd Rd. pick 2013

to the Bobcats for
PG Shaun Livingston

Then if D-Williams lets NJ know that he does not want to be there maybe we can work a trade for him at the All-Star break for the 2012 T-Wolves pick (unprotected) Aminu, Bledsoe, and Mo Williams expiring contract.

C DeAndre Jordan
PF Blake Griffin
SF Tayshaun Prince
SG Eric Gordon
PG D-Williams

Bench
SF Martel Webster
G Randy Foye
PG Shaun Livingston
C Darko Milicic
Pick 37 (SG Malcom Lee UCLA)
G Willie Warren
PF Brian Cook
PF Ike Diogu
SF Jamario Moon
PF Craig Smith

[Det the Threat]

Clippers trade
C Kaman

to the T-Wolves for
SF Webster
C Milicic


Minny then can sign Kaman to a long term deal something around 4 yr. 28 Million after his current deal expires.

I'd rather just keep Kaman for one more season as a backup to Jordan and Griffin, instead of trading him for Milicic(who'll cry about leaving for Serbia once he's going to be in a limited role again) and Webster, who's either been injured or underachieved ever since he came into the league.

Also Clippers trade

SF Ryan Gomes
Pick #47 in the 2011 NBA Draft
future 2nd Rd. pick 2013

to the Bobcats for
PG Shaun Livingston

Then if D-Williams lets NJ know that he does not want to be there maybe we can work a trade for him at the All-Star break for the 2012 T-Wolves pick (unprotected) Aminu, Bledsoe, and Mo Williams expiring contract.

C DeAndre Jordan
PF Blake Griffin
SF Tayshaun Prince
SG Eric Gordon
PG D-Williams

Bench
SF Martel Webster
G Randy Foye
PG Shaun Livingston
C Darko Milicic
Pick 37 (SG Malcom Lee UCLA)
G Willie Warren
PF Brian Cook
PF Ike Diogu
SF Jamario Moon
PF Craig Smith

I'm all for going after Deron Williams, but there are some things I'd like to say.

First of all, Shaun Livingston isn't worth anything more then a heavily protected 2nd round pick(like top 55 - 58 protected) and not what you're offering here.
There are better backup point guards available on the cheap in every years free agency.

Then you should also consider that Mo Williams isn't an expiring contract.
He's got a player option for next summer and almost certainly will exercise it, because there's hardly a team out there that would pay him $8 mil a season under the current CBA and certainly not under the new one, which will cut down on years and $.

Therefore Williams and Kaman's expiring contract would be needed to make something with NJ happening, as they'll certainly ask any team to take back Travis Outlaw's contract as well.

[J-Kidd32]

If we cannot get D-Will until the offseason that is why I was saying Mo would be an expiring contract. If we can D-Will at the All-Star break that is when Kaman would be servicable for NJ. I am all for Livingston though especially if we get TPrince Gomes would be 4 mil on the bench chilling. I doubt that Charlotte would even take that deal though.

[bstein14]

What about the idea of this.

RIP (2 years left)
Will Bynum (2 years left)
Prince (sign and trade for maybe $7 mil per for 4 years?)

For

Kaman + Mo Williams?

[J-Kidd32]

We can sign Prince outright if we want too.. might as well stand pat and go after a productive vet SF like Prince instead of giving up valuable players/depth

[Nuggets18]

If Nene decide not to resign (witch i doubt)..

How would you guys feel about Kaman -4- Wilson Chandler (S&T)

Wilson would be a great fit in LAC. I would love to keep him, but we need a more experienced big man if Nene leaves, and there isn't many in this FA class

[Det the Threat]

The Clippers have roughly $12 mil in cap space(under the current CBA) and would certainly offer as much as they can for Chandler, if he'd be the guy we're targeting.

Though, I doubt he's that guy, cause it seems like our FO isn't all that high on him.

So no, we probably wouldn't trade Kaman for Chandler.

[scoobs07]

Deron Williams would be ideal. I would even give up EJ and the 2012 pick for him.

[chrbal]

What about a simple Tayshaun Prince for Chris Kaman. Assuming that something along the lines of a sign and trade can be done.

Basically Prince would slide into Kamans salary slot and start at SF, Pistons would hope for a healthy Kaman.

[Det the Threat]

What about a simple Tayshaun Prince for Chris Kaman. Assuming that something along the lines of a sign and trade can be done.

Basically Prince would slide into Kamans salary slot and start at SF, Pistons would hope for a healthy Kaman.

There's no need to trade Chris Kaman for an unrestricted free agent.

So we either sign Prinice outright or he'll most likely not wear the Clippers colours next season, whenever that will be.

[scoobs07]

WOW this board is dead . Anyway ima just post my off season plan since I'm bored right now:
My trade targets:
1. DWill
2. CP3
For DWill and CP3, I would include the lottery pick or even swap EJ straight up for one of these guys if they are signed and traded to us.
3. Nash
4. Manu
Nash and Manu are obviously on the older side, but they are clutch and they are vets. Nash makes others around him better, while Manu would fill more of a void at SF and has won rings. To get Nash, I think we would have to part with Kaman and Bledsoe. For Manu, maybe just Kaman and some future 2nd round picks.
5. Iggy
While not the shooter I would prefer, and with a hefty contract for three more years, I would still settle for Iggy since he would fill the void at SF and at the same time, fill the void at PG (in terms of
creating for others). He basically fills two holes at once, but at a hefty price ( I think like 40 million
the next 3 years). If the Clipps are willing to pay a "glue guy" that gets 14-6-6-2, I wouldn't mind Iggy.

Let's say we swap EJ and Mo for a resigned DWill and Morrow:
PF-Blake/Diogu/Cook
SF-Gomes/Aminu/
C-DJ/Thompkins
PG-DWill/Bledsoe/Foye
SG-Morrow/Richardson/Leslie

Might be able to get Jason Richardson or some other vet shooting guard like VC for cheap. That would bolster our bench. DWill makes everyone better. He could make Griffin get 30PPG and Morrow is a good third option at 14PPG. DJ and Gomes might crack double figures. Then we still have our draft pick next year where we could either go SF (Barnes/McAdoo,etc.) or SG (Rivers/Lamb,etc.)

[Loudville216]

Curious, would you accept this from Cleveland:
1) Antawn Jamison ($15 mil expiring) and solid veteran leader, a decent scorer off the bench at the 3 (limited minutes), and the 4.
2) Alonzo Gee ($800,000 expiring) who will provide a huge upgrade over Jamario Moon, and will be able to log legitimate minutes at the SF. He can play both ends of the floor and comes cheap.
3) Ryan Hollins ($2.5 million expiring) will be a nice complement to the tempo your team needs to be running. Also, would be a serviceable backup to Deandre Jordan.
4) 2013 Heat 1st Rounder
5) 2012 Hornets Second Rounder
6) 2013 Cavs 2nd Rounder (To add a role player once FA 2012 is over)

For
1) Chris Kaman
2) Ryan Gomes (2 years left at $4 mil per yr)
3) Your Minnesota pick for 2012.
I know the draft is solid, but if this trade were to go through. You wouldn’t have to waste your Amnesty clause on Gomes. Instead you would have nearly 20 million in expiring’s, then could use your Amnesty on Mo Williams. Your payroll would dip to about 20 mil and you would have a great supporting cast. Then you would be able to sign Howard (or fall back on Gasol or Resign Jordan) and either DWill or CP3 outright. The LA market could attract DH12, and one of the PGs. We all know Sterling may be cheap, but tickets will sell and the Clippers will be the most watched team in the NBA.
PG- CP3 (or DWill), Bledsoe
SG-Gordan
SF-(Sign Prince to a dirt cheap contract), Aminu
PF-Blake
C-Howard (or Gasol, Jordan)

The draft pick may be there, but if you sacrifice the pick you have a great shot at landing 2 superstars, while still having 2 up and coming superstars on their rookie contracts. You guys would no longer be little brother of LA.

[mkwest]

Curious, would you accept this from Cleveland:
1) Antawn Jamison ($15 mil expiring) and solid veteran leader, a decent scorer off the bench at the 3 (limited minutes), and the 4.
2) Alonzo Gee ($800,000 expiring) who will provide a huge upgrade over Jamario Moon, and will be able to log legitimate minutes at the SF. He can play both ends of the floor and comes cheap.
3) Ryan Hollins ($2.5 million expiring) will be a nice complement to the tempo your team needs to be running. Also, would be a serviceable backup to Deandre Jordan.
4) 2013 Heat 1st Rounder
5) 2012 Hornets Second Rounder
6) 2013 Cavs 2nd Rounder (To add a role player once FA 2012 is over)

For
1) Chris Kaman
2) Ryan Gomes (2 years left at $4 mil per yr)
3) Your Minnesota pick for 2012.
I know the draft is solid, but if this trade were to go through. You wouldn’t have to waste your Amnesty clause on Gomes. Instead you would have nearly 20 million in expiring’s, then could use your Amnesty on Mo Williams. Your payroll would dip to about 20 mil and you would have a great supporting cast. Then you would be able to sign Howard (or fall back on Gasol or Resign Jordan) and either DWill or CP3 outright. The LA market could attract DH12, and one of the PGs. We all know Sterling may be cheap, but tickets will sell and the Clippers will be the most watched team in the NBA.
PG- CP3 (or DWill), Bledsoe
SG-Gordan
SF-(Sign Prince to a dirt cheap contract), Aminu
PF-Blake
C-Howard (or Gasol, Jordan)

The draft pick may be there, but if you sacrifice the pick you have a great shot at landing 2 superstars, while still having 2 up and coming superstars on their rookie contracts. You guys would no longer be little brother of LA.

No.

It would be insane to do this deal period. Firstly, There's no guarantee that Howard or Paul would sign here regardless of cap space. Secondly, if we really wanted to move Gomes' contract to free up cap space, there are lot of better and more productive ways to do so. Cleveland already got lucky and received a number 1 pick from us, we're not giving up another one just to get rid of Gomes and "hope" that 2 top 5 players want to come play here.

[youngthegiant]

would you guys accept this. denver re-signs wilson chandler and we trade him to the clippers for the minny pick. would that be considerable or would you guys want more?

[Ranma]

would you guys accept this. denver re-signs wilson chandler and we trade him to the clippers for the minny pick. would that be considerable or would you guys want more?

First, Wilson Chandler signed with a Chinese ballclub without an out clause for the upcoming NBA season. Second, the Minnesota pick is legitimate bait for the the likes of Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Heck, Neil Olshey went on record as saying the pick was off-limits for anything but a star impact player; if we're unwilling to give up the pick in the proposed Andre Iguodala deal, we're certainly not going to give it up for Chandler even if he were eligible to play. And third, while there is an obvious need for a good small forward for the Clippers, there are plenty of decent options in free agency with names like Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko, Grant Hill, and--maybe through amnesty--Rashard Lewis.

There's nothing on the Nuggets roster--Danilo Gallinari included--that would appeal enough to the Clippers to give up the Minny pick.

[youngthegiant]

would you guys accept this. denver re-signs wilson chandler and we trade him to the clippers for the minny pick. would that be considerable or would you guys want more?

First, Wilson Chandler signed with a Chinese ballclub without an out clause for the upcoming NBA season. Second, the Minnesota pick is legitimate bait for the the likes of Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Heck, Neil Olshey went on record as saying the pick was off-limits for anything but a star impact player; if we're unwilling to give up the pick in the proposed Andre Iguodala deal, we're certainly not going to give it up for Chandler even if he were eligible to play. And third, while there is an obvious need for a good small forward for the Clippers, there are plenty of decent options in free agency with names like Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko, Grant Hill, and--maybe through amnesty--Rashard Lewis.

There's nothing on the Nuggets roster--Danilo Gallinari included--that would appeal enough to the Clippers to give up the Minny pick.

a simple no would have been fine.

[Ranma]

a simple no would have been fine.

I didn't mean to offend, though I suspect you're just playing around, but I'm used to people not accepting a simple "no" without an explanation. In any case, at least the Nuggets can start their rebuild in earnest with the Carmelo Anthony fiasco behind them and a deep draft ahead.