Kawhi Leonard

[Quake Griffin]

He can sit out Monday vs. the Raptors when nobody is watching or gives a damn even though there's a plotline there that will wear off before tip off.

I am dying...you have Kawhi Leonard and you're complaining about one stupid game. The Raptors we're 17-5 without him last season and everything obviously worked out.

Suck it up and do what **** of people do these days and watch from a stream. I'll even provide you with a link.

http://nba4free.com/nbastreams/

Odd that you'd quote one part of my post where the main premise of my post is that I don't live in Los Angeles and tonight's one of the few times I can just flip him on on tv and relax normally.

I don't care that the Clippers are managing his minutes or his body but no matter what, people will read that into my post and will want my post to say that. Have at it.

[esqtvd]

Trust me I get all of that but its just really really bad optics to sit out this nationally televised game against the Bucks. Its looks bad on the organization and the league point blank. Sit out the Portland game on Thursday. Of course he needs load management and to be healthy for a big playoff push.. no question but games like this he needs to play in. Plus this is the only Bucks visit for us the entire season & right now Bron and company are putting their foot on the necks of their opponents Play tonight and sit out tomorrow- is that too much to ask? This is box office and pushes our 'brand' forward. Don't cheat the moment

lol I LOVE Bron playing 35 mpg in November


as for sitting Kawhi, we have a better chance at a win playing him vs Portland

and as previously noted, the effort needed vs the Bucks would be like a double game
lots of minutes, hounding the MVP all night

"Kawhi Leonard is not a healthy player under the league's resting policy, and, as such, is listed as managing a knee injury in the LA Clippers injury report," wrote Mike Bass in a statement. "The league office, in consultation with the NBA's director of sports medicine is comfortable with the team medical staff's determination that Leonard is not sufficiently healthy to play in back-to-back games at this time."

Adrian Wojnarowski reports Leonard isn't planning to play in any back-to-back games in the near future.

[nickhx2]

can't wait for the next game he misses just so we get to go through all this crying all over again



honestly, guys: at the end of the day you need players to be as healthy as possible to win games in the playoffs. players who are well-rested can contribute more before they run out of gas. think about how many opportunities the clippers have missed over the years because blake and chris paul alternated season ending injuries in the playoffs. every single game adds up and puts a cumulative toll on a player's body.

kawhi is not and never will be fully healthy with his quad. he is a player who needs to be managed for the rest of his career. he might be "marked" as healthy but if he doesn't feel right he will let the team know and he will sit out. if the team doesn't think he has had enough time to recover, they will sit him out.

they are not going to sacrifice championship equity because they care about their fans being entertained for one meaningless regular season game.

[50CalClips]

I didn't find out Kawhi was not playing @ UTAH JAZZ until I was sitting in my seat, watching everyone shoot-around, and not being able to find Kawhi anywhere on the court... and finally when Lou Williams was announced as the "starting Forward"

I don't get many chances to watch the Clippers games in person, I paid good money. I was disappointed, no doubt, felt a bit cheated (mainly kicking myself for not finding out before hand). But, like Kawhi himself, I'm choosing to focus on the big picture... Championship(s).


The concern I do have about all of this is who how the other players on the team are taking it. Is there resentment? Particularly, I wonder what a guy like Pat Beverley with that dog-mentality, goes all-out every play.. thinks about this load management/sitting out games stuff.


P.S.
In these games that he's missing, the Landry Shamet's, and Mo Harkless', and JaMychal's should look to capitalize on the opportunity to fill the void.

[nickhx2]

I didn't find out Kawhi was not playing @ UTAH JAZZ until I was sitting in my seat, watching everyone shoot-around, and not being able to find Kawhi anywhere on the court... and finally when Lou Williams was announced as the "starting Forward"

I don't get many chances to watch the Clippers games in person, I paid good money. I was disappointed, no doubt, felt a bit cheated (mainly kicking myself for not finding out before hand). But, like Kawhi himself, I'm choosing to focus on the big picture... Championship(s).


The concern I do have about all of this is who the other players on the team are taking it.
Is there resentment? Particularly, I wonder what a guy like Pat Beverley with that dog-mentality, goes all-out every play.. thinks about this load management/sitting out games stuff.


P.S.
In these games that he's missing, the Landry Shamet's, and Mo Harkless', and JaMychal's should look to capitalize on the opportunity to fill the void.

i definitely empathize with this, like i do with the earlier response. that definitely is a bummer and i'd feel pretty disappointed if i were in your shoes.

your latter point is more of my bigger issue with his sitting than anything else. i would have really liked to have seen him do the first back to back at least, just to show he was willing to gut it out with the team, and that he wasn't going to be any exception out of the gates.

THAT SAID

none of us are kawhi, and none of us have kawhi's leg. only he knows how it feels after two games in a row, and in last year's playoffs he exerted himself enough that he ended up limping for a while. so if he's sitting, i hope that his team trusts him fully in that.

[Quake Griffin]

Lame.

Now we have to categorize people as crying because people disagree on a narrow issue within a narrow issue.

Nobody is against load management.

[NippySudz]

Lame.

Now we have to categorize people as crying because people disagree on a narrow issue within a narrow issue.

Nobody is against load management.

Exactly. Peoplee are grasping at anything just because disagreement of opinion. I'm so sick of this in sports. That if you don't follow the heard, you're a hater. No I wish people would stop being moronic and see that people can raise reasonable objections to ****.

[mttwlsn16]

Load management is fine imo. I'd also rather he play vs Portland since they're a western conf competitor rather than Milwaukee who we doesn't matter since they're in the east.

[QRich3]

It's ok to be upset or disappointed that you don't get to see a guy in a particular night, but there's a well thought out reason for it, and I think we can all get behind it. We all want to see exciting games every night, but how many exciting regular seasons in the Lob City era went to sh*t because of a stupid injury at the wrong time in the postseason? all them mostly? how many exciting November games with Paul throwing lobs to Blake and DJ would we gladly give away in exchange for them being healthy in the playoffs?

Of course the relation between health in May and rest in November is not a direct one, but the most we can stack the odds our way, the better.

The concern I do have about all of this is who how the other players on the team are taking it.
Is there resentment? Particularly, I wonder what a guy like Pat Beverley with that dog-mentality, goes all-out every play.. thinks about this load management/sitting out games stuff.

Bev is gonna be rested a lot himself, so I don't think there's gonna be a problem there.

[Quake Griffin]

It's ok to be upset or disappointed that you don't get to see a guy in a particular night, but there's a well thought out reason for it, and I think we can all get behind it.

And this is where the conversation should be, not saying that people are crying. We are on the Clipper forum, not the GB. Nobody is **** on Kawhi or even our franchise. We just want answers and to figure out the rhyme and reason to it.

I can say this now. I don't want him to sit any games against the Lakers.
Not that the Clippers will ever say so but I'd like to know if those games are on the table for LM. They're kind of marked on my calendar.

Again, nobody is against Load Management.

Of course the relation between health in May and rest in November is not a direct one, but the most we can stack the odds our way, the better.

There's also a question of what's more important in LM: making sure he doesn't play back to back nights OR that he misses specific targeted nights OR that by season's end having accumulated the most rest days possible?

For example, if he played last night, he could sit tonight and have days off until Toronto.
In both scenarios, he'd have 7 nights off total between Utah and Toronto. Is it better to have 3 days off, then 4 or 2 days off then 5?

Would be interesting to have that conversation or if twitter/ sports news pushed the conversation there to where we have doctors and sports medicine people going into that for the general public to get an idea of that.

Instead we get....saying that posters are crying.
-__-

[QRich3]

Yeah, but that conversation is tough to have without medical knowledge, and without Kawhi's medical info at hand, so it will mostly lead to tons of speculation and guessing work. I guess what we have left is to trust or distrust that what they're doing is well thought out and the LM plan has been carefully laid out with all of that in mind.

I personally would go to the side of caution, and if taking everything into account, the plan says it'd be slightly better if he's rested on, say the Christmas game against the Lakers, I'm all for resting him. And maybe he then gets injured in May anyway, but even if we can improve the odds by 0.00001% in the postseason, I lean that way. But I understand if other people don't.

[Clemenza]

We're taking a beating off this incident in the media and in the city. I know some of you guys don't give a sh*t but tired of always being the hated franchise. How do we now get Kawhi and PG and still have to deal with controversy? Its tiring asf. This latest incident feels like Donald Sterling is still lurking somewhere deep in the background behind the scenes.

[QRich3]

We're taking a beating off this incident in the media and in the city. I know some of you guys don't give a sh*t but tired of always being the hated franchise. How do we now get Kawhi and PG and still have to deal with controversy? Its tiring asf. This latest incident feels like Donald Sterling is still lurking somewhere deep in the background behind the scenes.

That's a given from the moment you share a city with the most popular team in basketball. Specially with the amount of insecurity in their fandom. Add to that, our franchise player came in free agency leaving a team that also has a ton of fans, you can see how every time his name is mentioned, there will be a lot unnecessary hate thrown his way. The media moves the way the clicks go as well.

We could have the most likable team of all time and there would still be a lot of propaganda everywhere against it. I'm perfectly ok with it, but yeah it can get tiring. Perils of rooting for an underdog I guess.

This has nothing to do with the way this was handled though, Clippers run all of this by the league and even the NBA office felt the need to publish an official statement saying we did nothing wrong. Bad press is gonna follow us as long as it benefits the biggest fanbase in the NBA. Remember what happened to Dwight's reputation when he left them. Or D'Antoni. Or even poor Pau Gasol. They just have a very well oiled propaganda machine, but I'm ok with this team following Kawhi's guideline of tuning out the noise and concentrating in basketball.

[clipperlover]

The Spurs lost Kawhi because their medical staff did not listen to him about his leg.

Here is video from Oct 20,2017 of Kawhi boarding a team charter:

Read on Twitter

/video/1

His first game that season was 12/12/2017. He was done for the year less than 30 days later. From that video, he certainly didn't look like a guy that was capable of really playing by December. The Spurs medical staff didn't listen to him and his teammates didn't back him. Those are the reasons he is no longer there.

So, if Kawhi needs a night off, I am OK with it. He didn't play a single back to back last year. Remember, there are no back to backs in the playoffs and that is the season that Kawhi is most concerned about.

[50CalClips]

Kawhi Leonard is whatever the City of Angels needs him to be.

[Quake Griffin]

We're taking a beating off this incident in the media and in the city. I know some of you guys don't give a sh*t but tired of always being the hated franchise. How do we now get Kawhi and PG and still have to deal with controversy? Its tiring asf. This latest incident feels like Donald Sterling is still lurking somewhere deep in the background behind the scenes.

I think there's two things there:
- It was a nationally televised game against the MVP
- We beat the Lakers in Game 1 and many people in the media treated it as Kawhi taking the reigns from LeBron. Now LeBron has responded well and Kawhi is sitting. So some in the media are saying, how can you take the reigns sitting this much?

The latter part and any other criticisms of LM (in and of itself) don't bother me. Guy has an issue with his quad and we have to take care of it. These people are fickle. If we ran Kawhi into the ground and damaged his leg, they'd switch sides and **** on us for not handling his health properly.

[Yogatti]

Apparently this is the rest of the back to back games this season.

November 13th at Houston (ESPN)
November 14th at Pels

November 26 at Dallas (NBA TV)
November 27th at Memphis

December 8th at Washington
December 9th at Indiana

December 13th at Minnesota
December 14th at Chicago

December 21st at Spurs
December 22nd at OKC (Nba TV)

January 4th vs Memphis
January 5th vs Knicks

January 21st at Dallas (NBA TV)
January 22nd at Atlanta

February 8th at Minnesota
February 9th at Cleveland

March 13th Vs Brooklyn (NBA TV)
March 14th vs Pelicans

March 27th at Detroit
March 28th at Hornets

April 7th at Utah (TNT)
April 8th at Chicago


Fortunately there's a lot of bad teams on this list.

[NippySudz]

The Spurs lost Kawhi because their medical staff did not listen to him about his leg.

Here is video from Oct 20,2017 of Kawhi boarding a team charter:

Read on Twitter

/video/1

His first game that season was 12/12/2017. He was done for the year less than 30 days later. From that video, he certainly didn't look like a guy that was capable of really playing by December. The Spurs medical staff didn't listen to him and his teammates didn't back him. Those are the reasons he is no longer there.

So, if Kawhi needs a night off, I am OK with it. He didn't play a single back to back last year. Remember, there are no back to backs in the playoffs and that is the season that Kawhi is most concerned about.

Kinda stretch. The spurs are the ones that told him his injury was chronic and Kawhi didn't want to believe that it was. Til this day, kawhi has never acknowledged he has any chronic injury. We only speculate that he does based on the spurs report and the evidence from the po season.

[Quake Griffin]

Apparently this is the rest of the back to back games this season.

November 13th at Houston (ESPN)
November 14th at Pels

November 26 at Dallas (NBA TV)
November 27th at Memphis

December 8th at Washington
December 9th at Indiana

December 13th at Minnesota
December 14th at Chicago

December 21st at Spurs
December 22nd at OKC (Nba TV)

January 4th vs Memphis
January 5th vs Knicks

January 21st at Dallas (NBA TV)
January 22nd at Atlanta

February 8th at Minnesota
February 9th at Cleveland

March 13th Vs Brooklyn (NBA TV)
March 14th vs Pelicans

March 27th at Detroit
March 28th at Hornets

April 7th at Utah (TNT)
April 8th at Chicago


Fortunately there's a lot of bad teams on this list.

Waaahhhhhh
Waaahhhhhh


He must play in every one of the games listed!!!!11

[esqtvd]

The Spurs lost Kawhi because their medical staff did not listen to him about his leg.

Here is video from Oct 20,2017 of Kawhi boarding a team charter:

Read on Twitter

/video/1

His first game that season was 12/12/2017. He was done for the year less than 30 days later. From that video, he certainly didn't look like a guy that was capable of really playing by December. The Spurs medical staff didn't listen to him and his teammates didn't back him. Those are the reasons he is no longer there.

So, if Kawhi needs a night off, I am OK with it. He didn't play a single back to back last year. Remember, there are no back to backs in the playoffs and that is the season that Kawhi is most concerned about.

Kinda stretch. The spurs are the ones that told him his injury was chronic and Kawhi didn't want to believe that it was. Til this day, kawhi has never acknowledged he has any chronic injury. We only speculate that he does based on the spurs report and the evidence from the po season.

from that video, he should have been left home in San Antonio, not shlepping around airports

the Clips left Kawhi back in LA when we gave him the Jazz game off
good thinking

Doc said the Clippers came to Lou in the summer and warned him he was gonna get heavy minutes over the first 10 games with PG out and some back-to-backs on the schedule

which was also very cool


Lou needs his workload cut back and some games off himself
a heroic 39 minutes and 34 points vs the Bucks @ a team-best plus+8, but he still was only 9-27