Divas, Accountability, Chemistry and the Coaching Challenge

[MartinToVaught]

Lob City...not his fault....it was the roster...we were behind the 8ball to begin with.
This melt down....not his fault.

Remember when he blamed Sterling for not wanting to keep Joe Ingles, but failed to realize that Sterling was no longer the owner when Ingles came to Clippers camp.

I thought it was Ballmer? Nonetheless, I remember the gaffe even if I don't remember every detail about it.

He is a weird dude. He's almost a psychopath in how he doesn't take responsibility for anything.

The ultimate Doc excuse is still the time he blamed the previous front office for "leaving behind such a mess of a team" after he blew the 3-1 lead to Houston. Never mind the fact that he forced a trade to said "mess of a team" because he wanted to coach it so much. Or that the roster was in much better shape before Doc became the GM.

Doc threw Gary Sacks under the bus for that meltdown just like he's throwing Lue under the bus for the Denver series. It's amazing how people still can't see Doc's shtick when he's so shameless about it and does it every time. You'd think people would question how Doc could be involved in so many historic playoff collapses and somehow none of them are his fault.

[esqtvd]

Gotta remember bro.

Even though this is Doc has blown three 3-1 leads and three 3-2 leads, this 3-1 blown lead is uniquely on the players - not Doc.

b-b-b-but Game 5!!


very loyal of you to front for Pandemic P and Alibi Kawhi but the rest of the basketball world is laughing at them

deny it if you can

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[esqtvd]

It's time to believe in Kawhi Folks.

oh this newfound loyalty to the Clippers uniform is getting better and better

what a great year this is going to be
no more biotching and whining

[MartinToVaught]

It's time to believe in Kawhi Folks.

oh this newfound loyalty to the Clippers uniform is getting better and better

what a great year this is going to be
no more biotching and whining

Your newfound skepticism to the Clippers uniform is what's actually notable. You're rooting for the team to fail so you can be right - the exact same thing you used to accuse everyone who disagreed with you of doing.

Funny thing is, even if the team implodes this year, it still won't change the fact that Doc was given seven seasons and several different rosters and did a terrible job. So even then, you'd still be wrong.

[esqtvd]

It's time to believe in Kawhi Folks.

oh this newfound loyalty to the Clippers uniform is getting better and better

what a great year this is going to be
no more biotching and whining

Your newfound skepticism to the Clippers uniform is what's actually notable. You're rooting for the team to fail so you can be right - the exact same thing you used to accuse everyone who disagreed with you of doing.

Funny thing is, even if the team implodes this year, it still won't change the fact that Doc was given seven seasons and several different rosters and did a terrible job. So even then, you'd still be wrong.

I'm really looking forward to your new attitude and becoming a positive voice on our board instead of a constant vulture.

And don't worry about me--I'm just gonna wait a little before I drink the Alibi Kawhi Kool-Aid. Don't forget he dumped all over the Spurs--there's no guarantee he won't quit on us too. He already quit in last year's playoffs.

Worst thing that can happen is we beat the Lakers. I'm ok with that.

[MartinToVaught]

It's funny how you're calling him "Alibi Kawhi" when it's actually Doc who always comes up with an alibi for his failures.

[esqtvd]

you can stop harassing me with blahblahblah Doc


Kawhi dumped on the Spurs, abandoned the Raptors and quit on us in the playoffs last year. Any skepticism about the future is well-earned and I'm far from the only one.

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[Captain Ballmer]

It's funny how you're calling him "Alibi Kawhi" when it's actually Doc who always comes up with an alibi for his failures.

That dude is behaving just like any Spurs, Raptors or Lakers fan in the general board. Kawhi gave them heartbreaks...so they act like little b*otches

It's obvious that Kawhi pulls his prince Doc out of the team so he has that heartbreaking feelings towards him like them.

I'll consider the lunacy whatever he says after this. He just needs to go support his prince in his hometown.

[esqtvd]

That dude is behaving just like any Spurs, Raptors or Lakers fan in the general board. Kawhi gave them heartbreaks...so they act like little b*otches

It's obvious that Kawhi pulls his prince Doc out of the team so he has that heartbreaking feelings towards him like them.

I'll consider the lunacy whatever he says after this. He just needs to go support his prince in his hometown.

This is my 37th year as a Clippers fan and I have never looked forward to a new season less. And if you're not pissed and feeling betrayed about the biggest, most gutless embarrassment in Clipper history, then you're no die-hard, bruh. Lob City broke my heart but they never quit like this. NO Clipper team ever quit like this.




NEVER. The only people still talking about Doc are the ones who are more invested in their own Doc BS than they are in their Clippers.

Doc is gone; I'm pissed at the ones still here. They OWE us. And they owe Ballmer--come the All-Star break, if this is not looking like a team that can knock off the Lakers, the only smart move is a fire sale.

You believe in them. Good for you. But unless and until they're playing in June, you and your pal have no right to be in anyone's face about anything. Because the cold hard NBA business fact is--your boys may not even make it 'til April as Clippers. And that's why I'm not buying in.

[And Kawhi DID quit on the Spurs, the greatest organization of its era. That IS a big red flag.]



But hey--until then, I'm really looking forward to you and your little pal's new positivity and belief in the Clippers because frankly all the vulture Doc hate has chased people away from our board in droves. We'll find out how much was Doc's fault--and how much wasn't. Let the games begin.

[Quake Griffin]

Gotta remember bro.

Even though this is Doc has blown three 3-1 leads and three 3-2 leads, this 3-1 blown lead is uniquely on the players - not Doc.

b-b-b-but Game 5!!


very loyal of you to front for Pandemic P and Alibi Kawhi but the rest of the basketball world is laughing at them

deny it if you can

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Argument ad populum.
One of your favorite "arguments" when anybody mentions that the world is/was laughing at Doc.

Convenient you forget how that logical fallacy works when it is you trying to hold someone's feet to the fire.

Thought you were a principled man bro?
Ahhh, not when your in a fight or flight situation....on the internet.
-__-

[nickhx2]

It’s night and day listening to Lue talk about this season compared to Doc in the past. Listening to the players talk about what the coaches expect of them, what they were asked to work on, coaches and players knowing their roles, being on the same page, etc... It’s a different energy for sure.

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so, thinking on this a bit more, we probably haven't been talking enough about how zubac's role/development will change for the coming season.

it was pretty clear that doc had no idea how to use zubac, despite him clearly being our best big man. i would expect lue to give him more minutes and in crunch time too, hopefully building his confidence overall. one thing i always worried about was how he might be deflated after two seasons of watching doc pull the rug out from under him in second halves.

the other thing is with kenny atkinson on board, i'd also expect zubac to heavily be invested in, in terms of player development. basically i think all things considered, zubac is gonna have a huge year.

this team is in great shape with all the changes. very excited to get started.

[NickP]

That dude is behaving just like any Spurs, Raptors or Lakers fan in the general board. Kawhi gave them heartbreaks...so they act like little b*otches

It's obvious that Kawhi pulls his prince Doc out of the team so he has that heartbreaking feelings towards him like them.

I'll consider the lunacy whatever he says after this. He just needs to go support his prince in his hometown.

This is my 37th year as a Clippers fan and I have never looked forward to a new season less. And if you're not pissed and feeling betrayed about the biggest, most gutless embarrassment in Clipper history, then you're no die-hard, bruh. Lob City broke my heart but they never quit like this. NO Clipper team ever quit like this.




NEVER. The only people still talking about Doc are the ones who are more invested in their own Doc BS than they are in their Clippers.

Doc is gone; I'm pissed at the ones still here. They OWE us. And they owe Ballmer--come the All-Star break, if this is not looking like a team that can knock off the Lakers, the only smart move is a fire sale.

You believe in them. Good for you. But unless and until they're playing in June, you and your pal have no right to be in anyone's face about anything. Because the cold hard NBA business fact is--your boys may not even make it 'til April as Clippers. And that's why I'm not buying in.

[And Kawhi DID quit on the Spurs, the greatest organization of its era. That IS a big red flag.]



But hey--until then, I'm really looking forward to you and your little pal's new positivity and belief in the Clippers because frankly all the vulture Doc hate has chased people away from our board in droves. We'll find out how much was Doc's fault--and how much wasn't. Let the games begin.

So the Doc hate drives people away eh?
And you're dying to find out how much was doc's fault and how much wasn't his fault? What a weak take bro!
I'll tell you what. We gave Doc 8 years to show something. So I'm willing to give Kawhi at least 3 more years. That's half of what we gave Doc. And if beating the Lakers or the reigning champs is your benchmark then your boy Doc failed 8 years. Right?

[MartinToVaught]

The only people still talking about Doc are the ones who are more invested in their own Doc BS than they are in their Clippers.

The irony of this statement after you shouted down even the mildest criticisms of Doc for over three years here. You even defended the terrible job he did as GM. Nobody invested in the Clippers would support such an inept GM who didn't make a single positive roster move. Even Elgin Baylor made a couple decent trades, GM Doc couldn't even do that!

Doc is gone; I'm pissed at the ones still here. They OWE us. And they owe Ballmer--come the All-Star break, if this is not looking like a team that can knock off the Lakers, the only smart move is a fire sale.

If you were actually angry about the chokejob, you wouldn't ignore the two-thirds of the chokejob that fully contradict your agenda. You're not mad about the Denver series, you're mad about Doc and Trez leaving, and you're hoping the team fails without them.

[Quake Griffin]

That dude is behaving just like any Spurs, Raptors or Lakers fan in the general board. Kawhi gave them heartbreaks...so they act like little b*otches

It's obvious that Kawhi pulls his prince Doc out of the team so he has that heartbreaking feelings towards him like them.

I'll consider the lunacy whatever he says after this. He just needs to go support his prince in his hometown.

This is my 37th year as a Clippers fan and I have never looked forward to a new season less. And if you're not pissed and feeling betrayed about the biggest, most gutless embarrassment in Clipper history, then you're no die-hard, bruh. Lob City broke my heart but they never quit like this. NO Clipper team ever quit like this.




NEVER. The only people still talking about Doc are the ones who are more invested in their own Doc BS than they are in their Clippers.

Doc is gone; I'm pissed at the ones still here. They OWE us. And they owe Ballmer--come the All-Star break, if this is not looking like a team that can knock off the Lakers, the only smart move is a fire sale.

You believe in them. Good for you. But unless and until they're playing in June, you and your pal have no right to be in anyone's face about anything. Because the cold hard NBA business fact is--your boys may not even make it 'til April as Clippers. And that's why I'm not buying in.

[And Kawhi DID quit on the Spurs, the greatest organization of its era. That IS a big red flag.]



But hey--until then, I'm really looking forward to you and your little pal's new positivity and belief in the Clippers because frankly all the vulture Doc hate has chased people away from our board in droves. We'll find out how much was Doc's fault--and how much wasn't. Let the games begin.

So the Doc hate drives people away eh?
And you're dying to find out how much was doc's fault and how much wasn't his fault? What a weak take bro!
I'll tell you what. We gave Doc 8 years to show something. So I'm willing to give Kawhi at least 3 more years. That's half of what we gave Doc. And if beating the Lakers or the reigning champs is your benchmark then your boy Doc failed 8 years. Right?

Meh. Plenty of boards have a split in the faction regarding certain coaches or players. This is just the way that guy slings mud. If he can make people feel like they're the sole reason others left, he hopes he can shame them.

I hated MTV 5 years ago. Then I realized he was right and I got over it fairly quickly.

If a person decided to leave because of Doc hate, that's their issue. They aren't right about Doc at all. So they're left with mudslinging the character of people who don't like Doc. That's soooo ZZZzzz.

[MartinToVaught]

Huh, that's strange - I was told the whole basketball world was only laughing at Kawhi and PG and not Doc:

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For the record, I can't think of a single former player who's had anything good to say about Doc. It's either silence or calling out his terrible coaching. It really speaks volumes.

[esqtvd]

This is my 37th year as a Clippers fan and I have never looked forward to a new season less. And if you're not pissed and feeling betrayed about the biggest, most gutless embarrassment in Clipper history, then you're no die-hard, bruh. Lob City broke my heart but they never quit like this. NO Clipper team ever quit like this.




NEVER. The only people still talking about Doc are the ones who are more invested in their own Doc BS than they are in their Clippers.

Doc is gone; I'm pissed at the ones still here. They OWE us. And they owe Ballmer--come the All-Star break, if this is not looking like a team that can knock off the Lakers, the only smart move is a fire sale.

You believe in them. Good for you. But unless and until they're playing in June, you and your pal have no right to be in anyone's face about anything. Because the cold hard NBA business fact is--your boys may not even make it 'til April as Clippers. And that's why I'm not buying in.

[And Kawhi DID quit on the Spurs, the greatest organization of its era. That IS a big red flag.]



But hey--until then, I'm really looking forward to you and your little pal's new positivity and belief in the Clippers because frankly all the vulture Doc hate has chased people away from our board in droves. We'll find out how much was Doc's fault--and how much wasn't. Let the games begin.

So the Doc hate drives people away eh?
And you're dying to find out how much was doc's fault and how much wasn't his fault? What a weak take bro!
I'll tell you what. We gave Doc 8 years to show something. So I'm willing to give Kawhi at least 3 more years. That's half of what we gave Doc. And if beating the Lakers or the reigning champs is your benchmark then your boy Doc failed 8 years. Right?

Meh. Plenty of boards have a split in the faction regarding certain coaches or players. This is just the way that guy slings mud. If he can make people feel like they're the sole reason others left, he hopes he can shame them.

I hated MTV 5 years ago. Then I realized he was right and I got over it fairly quickly.

If a person decided to leave because of Doc hate, that's their issue. They aren't right about Doc at all. So they're left with mudslinging the character of people who don't like Doc. That's soooo ZZZzzz.

Hey Quake--remember when you and two other guys used to hog the board with nothing but nonstop Doc hate?

Good times.

[MartinToVaught]

Speaking of remembering things, I remember saying things like way back in the regular season, before the hiatus, and being called a "vulture, troll, hater, etc." by the same guy who's now trashing the team:

Bottom line is that, at best, Lou and Trez are traditional bench players who come in and provide some energy in limited minutes. Their roles have been expanded far beyond what they ever should be because we have an incompetent coach who plays favorites. It's absurd how Doc keeps giving Lou and Trez superstar treatment when they aren't giving us anywhere near that level of production.

It's whatever, though. Doc is never going to change, he's going to ride the Lou/Trez show to an embarrassing playoff exit. I just hope the front office will finally see that we need a real coach.

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I'm just praying this franchise finally has the courage to move on from Doc if we get bounced in the first or second round again. He's a mediocre coach at best who will always hold back the team's potential. He's the NBA version of Jason Garrett.

It's absurd that Trez played 30 minutes straight tonight. There's no point in having a deep roster when your coach manages minutes like Thibs. Maybe Kawhi could have gotten back into rhythm down the stretch if Zu was out there for that Kawhi-Zu PnR.

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Trez on Embiid? Seriously? Can't wait to see the excuses for Doc's terrible coaching after this game.

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I know it's going to sound like an overreaction, but at this point, I wouldn't mind seeing at least one of Lou and Trezz get traded by the deadline. We can't rely on them against serious teams in the playoffs. Even at their best, we're just trading baskets.

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Meanwhile, others were insisting that Zubac was the problem.

Turns out that writing off all dissenting opinions as "Doc hate" doesn't really work when you were wrong and the critics were right.

[NickP]

So the Doc hate drives people away eh?
And you're dying to find out how much was doc's fault and how much wasn't his fault? What a weak take bro!
I'll tell you what. We gave Doc 8 years to show something. So I'm willing to give Kawhi at least 3 more years. That's half of what we gave Doc. And if beating the Lakers or the reigning champs is your benchmark then your boy Doc failed 8 years. Right?

Meh. Plenty of boards have a split in the faction regarding certain coaches or players. This is just the way that guy slings mud. If he can make people feel like they're the sole reason others left, he hopes he can shame them.

I hated MTV 5 years ago. Then I realized he was right and I got over it fairly quickly.

If a person decided to leave because of Doc hate, that's their issue. They aren't right about Doc at all. So they're left with mudslinging the character of people who don't like Doc. That's soooo ZZZzzz.

Hey Quake--remember when you and two other guys used to hog the board with nothing but nonstop Doc hate?

Good times.

Doc deserved the hate. But you're hating on the team, writing its obituary before a single game has been played.
In every other post you mention how Kawhi and PG are bolting. How they're a one way ticket.
I didn't know you and Kawhi were boys.

[TheNewEra]

Huh, that's strange - I was told the whole basketball world was only laughing at Kawhi and PG and not Doc:

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For the record, I can't think of a single former player who's had anything good to say about Doc. It's either silence or calling out his terrible coaching. It really speaks volumes.

Insane how he just admits we didn’t have a counter

[nickhx2]

god i love this clip. i miss those guys.