Transaction Discussion Part 3 (Trades, Free-Agency, News, Rumors & Ideas)

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Andre Drummond Has Reportedly Been on Pistons' Trade Block over Last Few Seasons

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2824529-andre-drummond-has-reportedly-been-on-pistons-trade-block-over-last-few-seasons




Can we go back to the Pistons well? And take them again? LOL

Drummond is not gonna win them a title, or even get them to the playoffs! He's DeAndre Jordan with more heart and hops. What can we offer?



Drummond $27M [2020-21 player option]

for

Harkless [expiring] $11M
Zubac $7M for 3 years
Shamet
Jerome


I'm IN


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7266407

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to the L.A. Clippers being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. the L.A. Clippers could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. Also, the L.A. Clippers met the requirements of the Hard Cap rules of staying under the Tax Threshold plus $4M for adjusted post-trade Team Salary.

Due to Detroit being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Detroit could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.

This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

I agree that Drummond would be good for us but (1) I think another team can/will beat that offer, and (2) we end up with a roster where two of our 4 best guys (Drummond and Trez) cannot play together.

Good point. I'd take the chance with them getting 24 mpg each, though. We'd only be giving up spare parts and match up with the Lakers great. But I can also see passing on the deal for the reason you give.

[Young Sterling]

Just some ideas to fill some holes.

Our POTENTIAL package: Landry, Zubac + some filler (Rodney/Jerome... Moe if we must.) + 1st Round Pick + Second Round pick (high pick)

1. Pelicans: Lonzo, Favors (unsung hero on that team), and JJ
2. NY Knicks: Marcus Morris, Payton, and Robinson
3. Pistons: Drummond (Pistons don't do this man dirty, he's shown loyalty. Put him somewhere nice) + Derrick Rose + Bruce Brown/Galloway (or some shooter).
4. Bulls: Thaddeus Young + Kris Dunn/Sato (both?)

Number 3 is my favorite.

[nickhx2]

derrick "what's consent?" rose?

no thanks

[Young Sterling]

derrick "what's consent?" rose?

no thanks

Come on, that weird stuff aside he's a baller.

Legal Tip: He definitely should've gave the proper legal defense Kobe answer, which is one of the few defenses to rape. "I truly and reasonably believed it to be consensual. Sorry."

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Just some ideas to fill some holes.

Our POTENTIAL package: Landry, Zubac + some filler (Rodney/Jerome... Moe if we must.) + 1st Round Pick + Second Round pick (high pick)

1. Pelicans: Lonzo, Favors (unsung hero on that team), and JJ
2. NY Knicks: Marcus Morris, Payton, and Robinson
3. Pistons: Drummond (Pistons don't do this man dirty, he's shown loyalty. Put him somewhere nice) + Derrick Rose + Bruce Brown/Galloway (or some shooter).
4. Bulls: Thaddeus Young + Kris Dunn/Sato (both?)

Number 3 is my favorite.

Hard to match salaries in any of these without including Moe's $11M

Drummond makes over $20M
Favors $16M
Morris $15M
Reddick $13M
Young $13M


I like your deal #1 but we'll never get to $26+ million without trading half our roster

[Young Sterling]

Just some ideas to fill some holes.

Our POTENTIAL package: Landry, Zubac + some filler (Rodney/Jerome... Moe if we must.) + 1st Round Pick + Second Round pick (high pick)

1. Pelicans: Lonzo, Favors (unsung hero on that team), and JJ
2. NY Knicks: Marcus Morris, Payton, and Robinson
3. Pistons: Drummond (Pistons don't do this man dirty, he's shown loyalty. Put him somewhere nice) + Derrick Rose + Bruce Brown/Galloway (or some shooter).
4. Bulls: Thaddeus Young + Kris Dunn/Sato (both?)

Number 3 is my favorite.

Hard to match salaries in any of these without including Moe's $11M

Drummond makes over $20M
Favors $16M
Morris $15M
Reddick $13M
Young $13M


I like your deal #1 but we'll never get to $26+ million without trading half our roster

That's the big problem. The solution would be a multi team deal to include a Chandler Parsons type contract. Salary cap gymnastics are pretty difficult, but the FO finds a way to get **** done miraculously.

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I subscribed to The Athletic for Jovan Buha's stuff. I don't really agree but here's taste of his latest.

https://theathletic.com/1516998/2020/01/08/the-clippers-reportedly-have-interest-in-three-players-so-how-would-they-fit/?source=shared-article#_=_

The Feb. 6 trade deadline is less than a month away. The Clippers have been one of the more active participants at the last two deadlines and figure to factor into the mix — either via trade or the ensuing buyout market — as they look to address potential weaknesses ahead of what they hope will be a deep postseason run.

On Tuesday, the Clippers fully guaranteed point guard Derrick Walton Jr.’s 2019-20 salary, league sources told The Athletic. Their official roster stands at 15 players unless they trade or waive a player.

A few weeks ago, The Athletic wrote a trade primer about the Clippers’ rumored interest in Marcus Morris, the future of Montrezl Harrell and ideal trade targets that are either available or theoretically could be acquired. Now that time has passed since trade season started (Dec. 15), let’s bounce around some of the players the Clippers have recently been linked to in reports and rumors.

Darren Collison
PG | Unrestricted free agent

Collison retired over the offseason but is mulling a return to the NBA and prefers to play for either the Clippers or the Lakers, per ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. Both L.A. teams could use extra depth at the point guard position as it’s the “weakest” position on their rosters.

The Clippers have a top-five offense without a traditional floor general. Kawhi Leonard and Lou Williams, the respective “point guards” for the starting and bench groups, have been able to generate elite offensive units with their brilliance in the pick-and-roll and isolation, but the Clippers go through far too many lulls where the ball movement grinds to a halt. They could use another ball-handler and playmaker.

Perhaps he outplays Beverley or Shamet and earns a larger role, potentially even as a starter. That seems unlikely, but his 3-point shooting and playmaking would be welcomed additions to a rotation craving both consistently. If he’s willing to sign with the Clippers, they should make the requisite trade or roster cut — most likely Walton Jr. — to make it happen.

Aron Baynes
C | One year, $5.4 million

If point guard is the Clippers’ most obvious need — and that’s questionable — then center is the other position the team could seek out an upgrade.

According to Bleacher Report’s Eric Pincus, Suns backup center Aron Baynes is one potential option the Clippers might have interest in, including possibly swapping out starting center Ivica Zubac for him. (There are other players the Clippers could trade for Baynes, but flipping Zubac or Harrell probably makes the most sense from a roster composition standpoint.)

The question in a Baynes-for-Zubac swap: Is the short-term upgrade worth it?

It’s debatable if Baynes is better than Zubac. I’d posit he isn’t.

Zubac is the better rebounder, rim protector and roll man. Baynes has considerably more stretch — he’s shooting 34.8 percent on 4.1 3-point attempts per game this season — and is a better screener and passer. Offensively, Baynes has the edge. Defensively, Zubac’s size and rim protection make him one of the best — and under-appreciated — paint deterrents in the league. Baynes is a solid defender, capable of acting as an enforcer with his superhuman strength and Mack Truck frame, and he’s one of the game’s premier charge-takers. Still, Zubac is the better defender.



Thaddeus Young
PF | Three years, $40.6 million (Non-guarantee for 2021-22 season)

Aside from point guard and center, if we really want to nitpick the Clippers, they could use an upgrade on the wing over the likes of Moe Harkless, Rodney McGruder and Jerome Robinson. Ideally, this would be a player that can start and possibly close games.

The Clippers have been attached to two such players since the summer: Andre Iguodala and Marcus Morris Sr. As The Athletic wrote weeks ago, players like Robert Covington, Bogdan Bogdanovic and Jae Crowder also make sense. (Morris Sr. and Crowder both coincidentally lit the Clippers up with season-best performances last weekend. Were they auditioning for L.A.?)

Another name to keep an eye on: Bulls forward Thaddeus Young, who the Clippers have interest in, according to the Los Angeles Times’ Dan Woike.

Young is probably better than Collison or Baynes, but he’s a worse overall fit for one reason: He’s a below-average 3-point shooter (career 32.9 percent from deep). The Clippers need shooting from the non-Leonard/George wing spot.

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BTW, Fi went 0-10 from distance last night for our junior varsity. He's a looooooong way away.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/01/04/clippers-could-have-an-interesting-package-for-andre-drummond/


This is a BS source but since they went to such trouble to photoshop it, I thought I'd throw it up here. I don't think we could get Drummond this cheap but I'm still more worried about center than PG, and I also wanted to throw Fi's name into the mix because he's nowhere near helping us this year or probably even next.

[MartinRiggs]

Yeah,Drummond looks like perfect upgrade over Zubac. Only problem is how to get him and Trez to play more than 24 minutes because dividing playing time between thoose 2 guys like that would be a waste of talent. They could play together with 3 shooters when Kawhi is not on the court I guess.

[QRich3]

I don't like Drummond at that salary period. If it costs valuable pieces, much less. Drummond is an awesome rebounder but not a great defender or rim protector, and pretty bad offensive player overall. For whatever are his faults, Zubac is a great rim protector and a decent rim roller, much better at both things than Drummond. And Trez is an offensive wrecking ball and a bad defender, but not a significantly worse one than Drummond. I wouldn't take away any playing time from either of those guys to give it to him.

Plus, since we have Kawhi/George/Harkless at the wings and Pat at PG, we are a very good rebounding team, even if our centers are not specialists in that area. The one thing Drummond would bring, we don't need it.

Hard pass from me. Drummond is gonna end up on a bad team that need someone to fill numbers and minutes, not on a top team.

[MartinRiggs]

I think you are right that he will be on a bad team in the end.

[TucsonClip]

I don't like Drummond at that salary period. If it costs valuable pieces, much less. Drummond is an awesome rebounder but not a great defender or rim protector, and pretty bad offensive player overall. For whatever are his faults, Zubac is a great rim protector and a decent rim roller, much better at both things than Drummond. And Trez is an offensive wrecking ball and a bad defender, but not a significantly worse one than Drummond. I wouldn't take away any playing time from either of those guys to give it to him.

Plus, since we have Kawhi/George/Harkless at the wings and Pat at PG, we are a very good rebounding team, even if our centers are not specialists in that area. The one thing Drummond would bring, we don't need it.

Hard pass from me. Drummond is gonna end up on a bad team that need someone to fill numbers and minutes, not on a top team.

He really doesnt make sense to me, and there is no way we should be paying him what hell as for. Couldnt agree more.

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[Captain Ballmer]

I believe we need a move to make to complete our Playoff roster. Half of the games is played and it's obvious that our roster needs this. The reason for most of our turnover problems are the style of our perimeter and interior players i see.

We have iso perimeter scorers, so having big's who can strecth the floor more instead of clogging the paint would help them immediately. Zu and Harrell can't do this unfortunately. PatPat and Green can't guard bigs like Jokic-Davis-Lebron-Gobert etc. so here are a problem to solve.

On the other hand, our current big men duo are good at Pick&Roll actions but the strenght of our perimeter players is iso plays even though they can play P&R semi efficiently. Semi efficient, Iso tendent scorers brings turnovers.

To balance our roster, I strongly think we need a P&R ball handler who can shoot&defend or Big who can strecth the floor while defends the rim. One of the aforementioned move will help the Offense a lot i know.

Looks like Pat Bev will be the dominant P&R ball handler for stretches. So the big guys is like the priority right now.

Package of Harkless, Jerome, Mcgruder and even Shamet for the right piece? Who we can get?

[Young Sterling]

To balance our roster, I strongly think we need a P&R ball handler who can shoot&defend or Big who can strecth the floor while defends the rim. One of the aforementioned move will help the Offense a lot i know.

Package of Harkless, Jerome, Mcgruder and even Shamet for the right piece? Who we can get?

Shoot I agree, but the only issue with trading for an impact piece is giving depth up. Even our worst but still enticing package that you mentioned above is giving up so much quality depth. Landry is really playing back to his pre injury levels, Harkless is literally one of our best defenders on the team and contributes greatly to our identity, McGruder is solid, and Jerome is ass at shooting, but he defends and distributes the ball well. It really just becomes a risky move at that point.

We need to flip pieces like Jerome for quality depth pieces, similar to what we got for Avery Bradley last year. But even though Jerome is shooting poorly, he still plays decent enough in other areas.

[QRich3]

Problem is there's not gonna be any available guys at the level people are expecting, for the pieces we can trade. Harkless, Jerome, McGruder are not gonna move the needle for any team even though they might be important in their roles for us at times. Shamet and the 2020 pick are assets, but small ones, who are not enough to bring the ballhandler/defender or the stretch big who plays defense that people are expecting. Those sort of guys we're looking for, everyone wants them and they're scarce. Realistically, with what we can offer, you're looking at guys like Gorgui Dieng and Jeff Teague, which won't mean that much of a change for us. Not for the better anyway.

If we were able to upgrade from Harkless to someone like Covington using the pick and Shamet, it could be interesting, but apparently Minny is asking for a lot to get him, so it's gonna be difficult.

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If we were able to upgrade from Harkless to someone like Covington using the pick and Shamet, it could be interesting, but apparently Minny is asking for a lot to get him, so it's gonna be difficult.

yes, that's a realistic package but prob not enough

maybe Fi or Mann too

[Young Sterling]

There's good vets in the FA market right now. Jeff Green, Iman Shumpert, Andrew Bogut, and Darren Collison are solid role/bench players and one of them might be a great upgrade over someone like Jerome or Rodney. I trust 3/4 of them to make open threes that Lou and Trez create for em, while also contributing on the defensive end against second units at the very least.

This avoids having to trade away important depth pieces. Take a page out of the Laker handbook.

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oh don't say Jeff Green

he's a Clipper whipping boy LOL

[MartinRiggs]

Bogut and Collison if I have to pick.