POLL: Tobias Harris Turns Down $80 Million | What's the Right Price?

Ranma · Post #141 » by **Ranma** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:46 am

Zack Geoghegan, DefPen.com (12/10/18)

While Williams receives more of the crunch time shots, Harris is the one who generates the offense throughout the course of the game, as shown through his career-high 23.5 usage percentage this season. He’s transforming into an all-around, versatile scorer on his way to unrestricted free agency this summer. Just in time.

Harris isn’t a bonafide superstar. Not yet, at least. He’s not going to be pushing aside players such as Durant or Klay Thompson or Paul George for All-Star spots this season. But 23 games into his eighth NBA season, it’s clear he’s next in line to steal the spotlight from the Western Conference’s brightest stars.

Whether or not he’s actually going to morph into a superstar doesn’t matter too much right now. He’s going to get almost any amount of money he desires this summer. He’s currently on the outside of his prime, eager to break in and assume the superstar position. If he caps out his talent right now, he’s still an excellent second option on a playoff team. Put him next to a Durant or Leonard and he can slide into the sidekick role – one he might actually be more suited for when gauging long-term success.

Tobias Harris the Star on an Otherwise Starless Clippers Team

Ranma · Post #142 » by **Ranma** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:23 pm

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Clemenza · Post #143 » by **Clemenza** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:32 pm

I like Tobias but this narrative that we should be calling him a star is annoying. Yeah he can put up some points but they're quiet points. I want him to be more vocal and help the team more on the defensive end before we start yelling out "star"!

Ranma · Post #144 » by **Ranma** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:59 pm

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Galloisdaman · Post #145 » by **Galloisdaman** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:37 pm

Clemenza wrote:I like Tobias but this narrative that we should be calling him a star is annoying. Yeah he can put up some points but they're quiet points. I want him to be more vocal and help the team more on the defensive end before we start yelling out "star"!

I have no idea what quiet points and loud points are but I tend to agree anyway. How weird is that? I think sometimes I notice second half points and 4th quarter points more BUT I honestly could not explain what quiet points are and if they are good or bad.

esqtvd · Post #146 » by **esqtvd** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:28 am

Galloisdaman wrote:
Clemenza wrote:I like Tobias but this narrative that we should be calling him a star is annoying. Yeah he can put up some points but they're quiet points. I want him to be more vocal and help the team more on the defensive end before we start yelling out "star"!

I have no idea what quiet points and loud points are but I tend to agree anyway. How weird is that? I think sometimes I notice second half points and 4th quarter points more BUT I honestly could not explain what quiet points are and if they are good or bad.

Points are good. Always.

Some points are louder than others. The crowd will tell you.

Ranma · Post #147 » by **Ranma** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:04 pm

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Post #148 » by **og15** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:26 am

Tobi is not a “takeover” scorer, at least not in any sort of fairly consistent way, that seems to be what is being implied. He almost always scores between 15 and 30 points, in fact, he’s done so in 26/33 games this season. He scores in the flow more so than in bunches. If he was a “takeover” scorer, he would be averaging more like 25 ppg because his consistent performances we have now would have some big nights added.

Obviously the best of both worlds is having a guy who can be consistent like him but also has the ability to explode more often. His type of performance is that of a secondary star and third tier star type player. At 26, you can theorize that he can still add one more level to his game, but this level is still good as long as he’s complimenting a superstar type guy.

Clemenza · Post #149 » by **Clemenza** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:05 am

og15 wrote:Tobi is not a “takeover” scorer, at least not in any sort of fairly consistent way, that seems to be what is being implied. He almost always scores between 15 and 30 points, in fact, he’s done so in 26/33 games this season. He scores in the flow more so than in bunches. If he was a “takeover” scorer, he would be averaging more like 25 ppg because his consistent performances we have now would have some big nights added.

Obviously the best of both worlds is having a guy who can be consistent like him but also has the ability to explode more often. His type of performance is that of a secondary star and third tier star type player. At 26, you can theorize that he can still add one more level to his game, but this level is still good as long as he’s complimenting a superstar type guy.

I think we're dying to see at least one game where Tobias 'blacks out', goes nuclear, puts the team on his back for a victory. Every player that's considered a star in this league has at least 5 or more games like that a season

wco81 · Post #150 » by **wco81** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:54 pm

Is he a keeper no matter what happens in free agency?

Say the Clippers ign two max free agents.

Would they still give Tobias a big contract, probably over $30 million a year?

Ranma · Post #151 » by **Ranma** » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:34 am

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esqtvd · Post #152 » by **esqtvd** » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:23 am

Clemenza wrote:
og15 wrote:Tobi is not a “takeover” scorer, at least not in any sort of fairly consistent way, that seems to be what is being implied. He almost always scores between 15 and 30 points, in fact, he’s done so in 26/33 games this season. He scores in the flow more so than in bunches. If he was a “takeover” scorer, he would be averaging more like 25 ppg because his consistent performances we have now would have some big nights added.

Obviously the best of both worlds is having a guy who can be consistent like him but also has the ability to explode more often. His type of performance is that of a secondary star and third tier star type player. At 26, you can theorize that he can still add one more level to his game, but this level is still good as long as he’s complimenting a superstar type guy.

I think we're dying to see at least one game where Tobias 'blacks out', goes nuclear, puts the team on his back for a victory. Every player that's considered a star in this league has at least 5 or more games like that a season

career high 39 pts

never had a triple-double

yah, 25 ppg is kinda the threshold for elite scorers
there are 13 at the moment

1. James Harden • HOU 32.3
2. Kevin Durant • GSW 28.8
3. Stephen Curry • GSW 28.6
4. Anthony Davis • NOP 28.1
5. LeBron James • LAL 27.3
6. Damian Lillard • POR 26.9
7. Kawhi Leonard • TOR 26.9
8. Joel Embiid • PHI 26.6
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 26.4
10. Paul George • OKC 26.3
11. Devin Booker • PHO 25.2
12. Blake Griffin • DET 25.2
13. Kemba Walker • CHO 25.2
14. Zach LaVine • CHI 23.9
15. Bradley Beal • WAS 23.5
16. DeMar DeRozan • SAS 23.3
17. Kyrie Irving • BOS 23.3
18. Tobias Harris • LAC 21.5
19. Klay Thompson • GSW 21.0
20. CJ McCollum • POR 20.9

Ranma · Post #153 » by **Ranma** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:36 pm

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Galloisdaman · Post #154 » by **Galloisdaman** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:47 pm

Tobias is having a very nice season. He picked a good time to have it. Do you guys think the team is negotiating with him now or will he just wait to become a FA?

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Ranma · Post #157 » by **Ranma** » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:20 am

Galloisdaman wrote:Tobias is having a very nice season. He picked a good time to have it. Do you guys think the team is negotiating with him now or will he just wait to become a FA?

After the 4-year, $80-million offer was presented and turned down, I doubt the team is in active negotiations unless Tobias's camp is signaling to them that it's interested in talking. By the looks of things, Tobias and his representation are looking to see what they can get in the open market and there's no need for the organization to distract him from focusing on playing his best basketball.

Tobias seems to like playing here, so there's not much of an urgency to extend him or otherwise deal him away, especially with our available cap space for the upcoming summer and the ability to go over the salary cap to retain him via his Bird rights.

Clemenza · Post #158 » by **Clemenza** » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:12 pm

He was a no show against his former team today. So is the media still saying we're supposed to call this guy a star??

Galloisdaman · Post #159 » by **Galloisdaman** » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:50 am

Ranma wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:Tobias is having a very nice season. He picked a good time to have it. Do you guys think the team is negotiating with him now or will he just wait to become a FA?

After the 4-year, $80-million offer was presented and turned down, I doubt the team is in active negotiations unless Tobias's camp is signaling to them that it's interested in talking. By the looks of things, Tobias and his representation are looking to see what they can get in the open market and there's no need for the organization to distract him from focusing on playing his best basketball.

Tobias seems to like playing here, so there's not much of an urgency to extend him or otherwise deal him away, especially with our available cap space for the upcoming summer and the ability to go over the salary cap to retain him via his Bird rights.

If he is a UFA isn't there a risk of losing him for nothing?

Ranma · Post #160 » by **Ranma** » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:38 am

Galloisdaman wrote:If he is a UFA isn't there a risk of losing him for nothing?

Yes, there's an obvious risk since it's up to Tobias whether he stays or goes, so we can't stop him if he is dead set on leaving. If he were to leave, maybe it would be in our best interest for him to do so anyway since it will likely take either a huge overpay for us not to match an offer he gets elsewhere or the Clippers signed 2 max-worthy free agents in Durant and Leonard.

The impression I get is that he is on good terms with the organization and probably inclined to return if the money is here. The Clippers are located in the desirable L.A. market. We have a rich owner who is eager to win and willing to invest. A new arena is in the works and we have an expert group in the front office.

Anything can happen but you can only control so much. Having said that, the Clippers are otherwise positioned really well for free agency this upcoming summer. It would take a few unforeseen events to totally screw up the Clippers at this point, but things can change.

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