Trade Idea Thread

jgustav1 · Post #1401 » by **jgustav1** » Sun Jan 2, 2011 5:11 am

I don't see how the Clippers would be able to make additional trades without giving up core players if both Kaman and Davis were moved for expirings and/or a RFA like Brooks. I don't want to trade any more future draft picks, Griffin, Gordon, DJ, Aminu or Bledsoe and without that, the Clippers have nothing to offer that will return any players of value. The Camby deal using cap space worked, but those opportunities don't happen that often and there will be a number of teams with cap space this offseason trying to improve in the same way.

Most free agents would want at least 4-5 year deals, I'd rather just keep Kaman and Davis until their contracts expire and be able to draft the BPA for this year's lottery pick and the 2012 Minny pick.

Det the Threat · Post #1402 » by **Det the Threat** » Sun Jan 2, 2011 9:31 am

I'm not sure if you're familiar with Presti's moves, but he took on additional salary to add draft picks.
For example, he got Kurt Thomas and two first round picks, because the Suns were dying to get under the cap.
He also got some other first round picks by just taking on guys like Dequean Cook or (I think) Mo Peterson, just because other teams wanted to be under the cap or save some money.

That's the way we should go(just look at what Miami did this summer giving away Beasley and I could see a team like NY etc. doing something similar, because they want Melo), having Griffin and Gordon already on the team and with talented guys like Jordan, Bledsoe and Aminu being here as well.

Big Money Free Agency is something I'd only use if a clear cut "superstar" like Lebron is available. If not, then I'd only sign role players for decent contracts, meaning none that would handcuff our financial flexibility. And that's what we did with those signings of Foye, Gomes and Cook. They're not sexy, but Foye will be an expiring next season, while Cook helped us this year and Gomes can help us with his defense as well.

Again, I understand we're you coming from, but even with his better play as of late, I just don't have any faith in Baron keeping this up(or staying healthy) and his contract is something I'd love to get rid off, even if that means shipping Kaman out as well.

jgustav1 · Post #1403 » by **jgustav1** » Sun Jan 2, 2011 3:29 pm

I am familar with what Presti has done in OKC, adding late 1st rounders for veteran players but that doesn't happen often and there will be multiple teams with cap space trying to make the same type of trades now, like Cleveland, Sacramento and Minnesota. Minnesota added Beasley who has been scoring well from them but still has flaws like defense particularly when trying to play at SF.

The league now owns New Orleans and Sarver in Phoenix is now well below the luxury tax, so there aren't a lot of owners willing to pay any price to get out of the luxury tax. OKC did receive Serge Ibaka from one of those picks, but they made a huge improvement in the standings based on the Durant/Westbrook combination working so well.

pj_tor · Post #1404 » by **pj_tor** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 10:03 pm

What about Rubio?

He and Griffin would become pick'n roll + alleyhoop legends

parson · Post #1405 » by **parson** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:06 am

I don't know who that "Hawks fan" is, but please know that we consider Horford our best player. We think Horford is one of the 20 best players in the NBA.

Kaman is not enough, even if an UNPROTECTED 1st were attached. Heck, we've gone around on a Josh Smith/Kaman trade, only to conclude Kaman doesn't add enough to our team for that, even if y'all sweetened the deal.

Short of it: it's unfortunate that someone gave you the idea that a Kaman for Horford deal is attractive to the Hawks.

But, what would it take to get DeAndre Jordan?

Sofia · Post #1406 » by **Sofia** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:14 am

Thoughts on TMac?

parson · Post #1407 » by **parson** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:42 am

Would the Clips trade Jordan along with one good prospect (Bledsoe) and filler (Cook/Foye) for Jamal Crawford?

If anyone's offended by adding Bledsoe/Cook/Foye maybe you'd substitute a name - to make the salaries work - but the Hawks would really need at least one decent prospect to pair with Jordan.

donemilio21 · Post #1408 » by **donemilio21** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:42 am

parson wrote:Would the Clips trade Jordan along with one good prospect (Bledsoe) and filler (Cook/Foye) for Jamal Crawford?

If anyone's offended by adding Bledsoe/Cook/Foye maybe you'd substitute a name - to make the salaries work - but the Hawks would really need at least one decent prospect to pair with Jordan.

no of course not.

parson · Post #1409 » by **parson** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:08 am

It woulda been nice if'n you'd given me a little bit more, such as why, what you'd rather have in a trade for Jordan, where you see him in your team's future...

If you can't trade Kaman, what'll you do with Jordan? By the looks of the demands y'all are making for Kaman, it doesn't look to me as if the Clips really plan on trading him, so I figured you'd be willing to trade Jordan.

Det the Threat · Post #1410 » by **Det the Threat** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:51 am

parson wrote:It woulda been nice if'n you'd given me a little bit more, such as why, what you'd rather have in a trade for Jordan, where you see him in your team's future...

If you can't trade Kaman, what'll you do with Jordan? By the looks of the demands y'all are making for Kaman, it doesn't look to me as if the Clips really plan on trading him, so I figured you'd be willing to trade Jordan.

We're not trading Jordan and will look to extend him this summer.

And we surely wouldn't give you Jordan, another prospect in Bledsoe and something else for soon to be UFA Jamal Crawford, who we could sign outright this summer.

BTW: Even if we're keeping Kaman we won't have to let Jordan go. There would be still minutes left for Jordan(as a backup to Kaman and Griffin) and Kaman's contract will be up in 2012, which could make Jordan the replacement by then.

parson · Post #1411 » by **parson** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:11 am

Well, then, how close would we be if we offered Jamal/Zaza Pachulia for Kaman/Cook (On my board, I'd ask for Bledsoe over Cook)?

Jamal Crawford is at least as good as Kaman and Zaza's a nice backup Center (as long as you don't have delusions of starting him).

And you save almost $8 million next year. That'd buy a decent-to-good wing player.

SportsFan215 · Post #1412 » by **SportsFan215** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:53 pm

We would have no interest in Jamal Crawford, as he would take playing time away from Eric Gordon. I was the one who was leading the Al Horford train, when I came up with the Kaman/unprotected 1st for Horford. I understand if many Hawks fans do not like that idea, because of everything that Horford brings. Also, that type of deal wouldn't work financially anyways with Horford's PPP/future BYC status. In that case I would actually add in a Bledsoe for Bibby swap to make the salaries work and maybe sway the Hawks more. Not sure if other Clipper fans would agree with me though, but a Gordon, Blake, Horford core would be sick. So now I would expand the deal to:

Kaman/Bledsoe/'11 FIrst (Unprotected) for Horford/Bibby

ClipperEric · Post #1413 » by **ClipperEric** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 7:04 pm

I'd like to make a move for Barbosa to be our 3rd guard and instant scoring option. Would be nice to see him and Gordon playing together in crunch time.

I wonder if TOR would be open to a straight Barbosa - Foye swap. Barbosa makes about $7yr and Foye only $4yr, each have 2 years left.

scoobs07 · Post #1414 » by **scoobs07** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 8:18 pm

It would be intersting to see what the 2010 pick, 2011 pick and 2011 Twolves pick would get us combined with some of our players. I think the Clippers should do a deal and try to make a serious run this season.

Det the Threat · Post #1415 » by **Det the Threat** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 9:30 pm

SportsFan215 wrote:We would have no interest in Jamal Crawford, as he would take playing time away from Eric Gordon. I was the one who was leading the Al Horford train, when I came up with the Kaman/unprotected 1st for Horford. I understand if many Hawks fans do not like that idea, because of everything that Horford brings. Also, that type of deal wouldn't work financially anyways with Horford's PPP/future BYC status. In that case I would actually add in a Bledsoe for Bibby swap to make the salaries work and maybe sway the Hawks more. Not sure if other Clipper fans would agree with me though, but a Gordon, Blake, Horford core would be sick. So now I would expand the deal to:

Kaman/Bledsoe/'11 FIrst (Unprotected) for Horford/Bibby

Why should Crawford take away time from EJ?

He can play both guard spots(just shown that against us, when he replaced Bibby and played at pg) and would play together with EJ in the closing minutes of games.

And you should forget about a deal based around Kaman for Horford, cause that won't happen without EJ or Blake being involved.

ClipperEric wrote:I'd like to make a move for Barbosa to be our 3rd guard and instant scoring option. Would be nice to see him and Gordon playing together in crunch time.

I wonder if TOR would be open to a straight Barbosa - Foye swap. Barbosa makes about $7yr and Foye only $4yr, each have 2 years left.

Good idea.
Though, how's Barbosa been playing this season?
Is he back to his good PHX days, or playing like his last season with the Suns?

scoobs07 wrote:It would be intersting to see what the 2010 pick, 2011 pick and 2011 Twolves pick would get us combined with some of our players. I think the Clippers should do a deal and try to make a serious run this season.

That 2010 pick is already playing on the Clips(going by the name of Al-Farouq Aminu) and that T-Wolves pick most likely won't be ours this year, as they look like they won't be able to get out of the top 10.

scoobs07 · Post #1416 » by **scoobs07** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 9:50 pm

Basically, the clippers need a third scorer. Right now we have ej and Blake getting 20-25 per night and 3 other guys that only get only 8 points per night. What we really need is a third scorer. That third scorer could be kaman when he comes back, but IMO we can't wait for him to come back. If dj is our center, u know we are just gonna get 8 ppg from him and I know baron has the ability to get 15 per night, but I'm not gonna count on him either. We need a legit 12-15 ppg third scorer. We basically have vacancies at starting sf and back up sg/sf to fill this hole. Idk about Crawford and mayo, they are combo guards that are a lot like ej.
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ClipperEric · Post #1417 » by **ClipperEric** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 9:53 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Basically, the clippers need a third scorer. Right now we have ej and Blake getting 20-25 per night and 3 other guys that only get only 8 points per night. What we really need is a third scorer. That third scorer could be kaman when he comes back, but IMO we can't wait for him to come back. If dj is our center, u know we are just gonna get 8 ppg from him and I know baron has the ability to get 15 per night, but I'm not gonna count on him either. We need a legit 12-15 ppg third scorer. We basically have vacancies at starting sf and back up sg/sf to fill this hole. Idk about Crawford and mayo, they are combo guards that are a lot like ej.
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Amen. That's why I want Barbosa. I'd like Ben Gordon too but his contract is a lot heavier.

Kaman is trade bait, DJ should get to start the rest of the season. All we need is a 7 ft scrub as a backup.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1418 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 10:20 pm

if you want Barbosa then expirings and a prospect or a 1st. Not Foye or anything like that, wed be looking to clear cap space.

SportsFan215 · Post #1419 » by **SportsFan215** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 10:46 pm

We don't need anyone like Barbosa, Crawford, etc. I agree we need a third scorer, but I want that third scorer to also be part of the core. There is no point for us to give up precious value for a third scorer just for this year. Also we should put more emphasis on the defensive end. Someone like Barbosa might help us a little offensively, but then ends up hurting us defensively.

SportsFan215 · Post #1420 » by **SportsFan215** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 12:08 am

Det the Threat wrote:I'm not sure if you're familiar with Presti's moves, but he took on additional salary to add draft picks.
For example, he got Kurt Thomas and two first round picks, because the Suns were dying to get under the cap.
He also got some other first round picks by just taking on guys like Dequean Cook or (I think) Mo Peterson, just because other teams wanted to be under the cap or save some money.

That's the way we should go(just look at what Miami did this summer giving away Beasley and I could see a team like NY etc. doing something similar, because they want Melo), having Griffin and Gordon already on the team and with talented guys like Jordan, Bledsoe and Aminu being here as well.

Big Money Free Agency is something I'd only use if a clear cut "superstar" like Lebron is available. If not, then I'd only sign role players for decent contracts, meaning none that would handcuff our financial flexibility. And that's what we did with those signings of Foye, Gomes and Cook. They're not sexy, but Foye will be an expiring next season, while Cook helped us this year and Gomes can help us with his defense as well.

Again, I understand we're you coming from, but even with his better play as of late, I just don't have any faith in Baron keeping this up(or staying healthy) and his contract is something I'd love to get rid off, even if that means shipping Kaman out as well.

I think this is a great line of thought, if there is no clear cut player to go after for us.