Trade Idea Thread II

[Method28]

I don't move Cp3 or Blake at this point, pretty much at all. Barring a deal that blows me away.

[fuzzy1]

i wouldn't say flooded, and i think we should appreciate discussion during the offseason when there's not much to talk about.

however, there's not a whole lot to talk about when deals are lopsided to that effect. again, superstar trades require superstar returns. what star power is there in a teague/schroeder trade? you do realize that cp3 has been the best PG in the league for many years now right? like by a LOT. and he is one of the best of all time too?

i like teague. i hope schroeder sheds his baby rondo title and becomes way better than that asshat. but they aren't on the same level value wise as cp3 and they aren't going to grow into top 15 players. and to get you gotta give, especially for someone like cp3. if you don't feel uncomfortable by what you gave up and you're not sweating a bit, then you basically ripped off that team by a large margin.


anyway to answer the question you brought up: what would the team expect?

at least 1-2 young star players, 1 great draft pick, and 1-ish solid players, not including fillers. some guy on T/T forums was babbling on about lawson, nurkic for cp3. it's of my opinion the only way denver can trade for cp3 is if they give up nurkic/mudiay/two first-rounders, at minimum.

the clips are still really just 2 pieces away from being where they need to be. next year might suck but the year after actually can be pretty good. jordan leaving is not the end of the world so we don't have to make dramatic changes. but giving up cp3 is tantamount to blowing it all up. and you don't blow it up by asking for fillers.

Fair enough. So you would expect a complete blow-up as opposed to a competitive rebuild. I will say, I doubt a team with those sorts of young assets would trade for such an old star (even one the caliber of Paul, who I agree is incredible), unless they feel Paul legitimately turns them into a contender (probably not if they're tossing out lotto picks). Of course, you don't have to trade him, but it might do him a solid. Good luck on the next offseason then, I'm a CP3 fan.

[Lindecision]

I love Adams. I don't see anyway they let him go though.

The only way I see Adams being dealt to LA is if the trade involves Blake and Russ.

I'm assuming you mean Paul, not Blake

No, I meant Blake Griffin for Russell Westbrook and Steven Adams.

They're best friends remember, so DJ leaving for Dallas is a HUUUGE sign that Blake won't stay beyond his current deal. The threat of Blake going back home to OKC was always going to be there anyway, but now with DJ leaving its almost inevitable in my opinion.

Whereas with Chris I think he's made his bed a little and there's a much higher chance he'd want to stay beyond his current deal. Depends how things play out of course (regular season, playoffs, free agency, etc), but we can max him out again in his 30's when no one else will.

[Lindecision]

Knicks could offer you guys Melo + Robin Lopez + Calderon or Afflalo sometime this upcoming season for Blake & Crawford. Helps you guys win-now while we continue to rebuild. We all know CP3 is extra close to Melo. Doc is familiar with Melo also from the Celtics-Knicks wars. Mike Woodson calls Melo the best player he ever coached. Lopez fills Center slot well for you guys also.

If things go south I'd consider it.

[nickhx2]

The only way I see Adams being dealt to LA is if the trade involves Blake and Russ.

I'm assuming you mean Paul, not Blake

No, I meant Blake Griffin for Russell Westbrook and Steven Adams.

They're best friends remember, so DJ leaving for Dallas is a HUUUGE sign that Blake won't stay beyond his current deal. The threat of Blake going back home to OKC was always going to be there anyway, but now with DJ leaving its almost inevitable in my opinion.

Whereas with Chris I think he's made his bed a little and there's a much higher chance he'd want to stay beyond his current deal. Depends how things play out of course (regular season, playoffs, free agency, etc), but we can max him out again in his 30's when no one else will.

it's a threat and a new worry but it's not a sign that he actually will do anything.

[Lindecision]

I'm assuming you mean Paul, not Blake

No, I meant Blake Griffin for Russell Westbrook and Steven Adams.

They're best friends remember, so DJ leaving for Dallas is a HUUUGE sign that Blake won't stay beyond his current deal. The threat of Blake going back home to OKC was always going to be there anyway, but now with DJ leaving its almost inevitable in my opinion.

Whereas with Chris I think he's made his bed a little and there's a much higher chance he'd want to stay beyond his current deal. Depends how things play out of course (regular season, playoffs, free agency, etc), but we can max him out again in his 30's when no one else will.

it's a threat and a new worry but it's not a sign that he actually will do anything.

Dude its such an obvious sign. With bright red flags.

And F*** now Bass is gone.

[og15]

We had no chance at Bass as Boston with Thomas has no interest in Jamal, nothing to be mad about. We have $2.2 million and the minimum, a lot of players will be gone

[nickhx2]

No, I meant Blake Griffin for Russell Westbrook and Steven Adams.

They're best friends remember, so DJ leaving for Dallas is a HUUUGE sign that Blake won't stay beyond his current deal. The threat of Blake going back home to OKC was always going to be there anyway, but now with DJ leaving its almost inevitable in my opinion.

Whereas with Chris I think he's made his bed a little and there's a much higher chance he'd want to stay beyond his current deal. Depends how things play out of course (regular season, playoffs, free agency, etc), but we can max him out again in his 30's when no one else will.

it's a threat and a new worry but it's not a sign that he actually will do anything.

Dude its such an obvious sign. With bright red flags.

And F*** now Bass is gone.

do you always speak in absolutes? how do you know blake doesn't feel completely betrayed right now? how do you know that he wants vindication with LA to show how wrong dj was?

i even said as much in another post: i have concerns that DJ left because blake intimated to him in privacy that he would rather leave than re-up to play with cp3.

but blake hasn't said anything. we can't read blake's mind, we have no idea what is going on. i get cynicism. but there isn't really any place for absolute statements when we don't know better.

[Lindecision]

We had no chance at Bass as Boston with Thomas has no interest in Jamal, nothing to be mad about. We have $2.2 million and the minimum, a lot of players will be gone

We could've offered him the full MLE after a Peirce S&T for Jamal.

I don't know, maybe that wasn't enough for Bass.

it's a threat and a new worry but it's not a sign that he actually will do anything.

Dude its such an obvious sign. With bright red flags.

And F*** now Bass is gone.

do you always speak in absolutes? how do you know blake doesn't feel completely betrayed right now? how do you know that he wants vindication with LA to show how wrong dj was?

i even said as much in another post: i have concerns that DJ left because blake intimated to him in privacy that he would rather leave than re-up to play with cp3.

but blake hasn't said anything. we can't read blake's mind, we have no idea what is going on. i get cynicism. but there isn't really any place for absolute statements when we don't know better.

If I'm sure about something, then of course I'm going to be more absolute about what I say. Blake doesn't need to say anything. Its common sense when Blake and DJ are both smart guys and the best of friends. They're probably sick of being on a team that's irrationally hated so much in all honesty. I most certainly would.

Your second paragraph is exactly what I fear and suspect. One more year and its probably in our best intetests to trade him unfortunately. Don't even mention KD cause he's going home to DC. But if Westbrook likes the idea of coming home to LA and re-signing as a Clipper long-term next to Chris, then we gotta do it.

[nickhx2]

well if you're so absolute i guess there isn't much to talk about, is there

[Forte IV]

I'm actually a little surprised we can't find a trade partner for Crawford to at least dump his contract. Unless I'm missing something we would have $7 mil which we could have used to sign a Bass or a Biyombo or even a Koufos.

[mttwlsn16]

I'm actually a little surprised we can't find a trade partner for Crawford to at least dump his contract. Unless I'm missing something we would have $7 mil which we could have used to sign a Bass or a Biyombo or even a Koufos.

Bass (Flakers), Biyombo (Raptors), and Koufos (Kings) have all already signed elsewhere.

[Forte IV]

I'm actually a little surprised we can't find a trade partner for Crawford to at least dump his contract. Unless I'm missing something we would have $7 mil which we could have used to sign a Bass or a Biyombo or even a Koufos.

Bass (Flakers), Biyombo (Raptors), and Koufos (Kings) have all already signed elsewhere.

Yeah I know they have. I was just saying we could have signed them with $7 mil in cap space compared to the just $2 mil.

[og15]

We had no chance at Bass as Boston with Thomas has no interest in Jamal, nothing to be mad about. We have $2.2 million and the minimum, a lot of players will be gone

We could've offered him the full MLE after a Peirce S&T for Jamal.

I don't know, maybe that wasn't enough for Bass.

If a Pierce sign and trade was possible, would have been done by now so that the Clippers would have the full MLE. Doesn't seem like Washington is interested in Jamal

I'm actually a little surprised we can't find a trade partner for Crawford to at least dump his contract. Unless I'm missing something we would have $7 mil which we could have used to sign a Bass or a Biyombo or even a Koufos.

The $2 million that the Clippers have is the remaining MLE, it isn't cap space, team is over the cap, dumping Jamal wouldn't give $7 million in cap space

[wassuphomeboy]

Anyone else think Jeff Withey could be a decent option? Obviously at backup C, but he was a Final Four player in college(maybe multiple Final Fours), could bring a ton on rebounding and defense, and shouldn't cost too much either. iI would still only be his 3rd year in the league. There was a huge logjam in front of him in New Orleans with the Brow, Asik, Ajinca, Ryan Anderson, among others, while we currently don't even have one center signed lol

[Lindecision]

We had no chance at Bass as Boston with Thomas has no interest in Jamal, nothing to be mad about. We have $2.2 million and the minimum, a lot of players will be gone

We could've offered him the full MLE after a Peirce S&T for Jamal.

I don't know, maybe that wasn't enough for Bass.

If a Pierce sign and trade was possible, would have been done by now so that the Clippers would have the full MLE. Doesn't seem like Washington is interested in Jamal

That's true. Jamal will be wanted by someone, just not DC. Depending on what's out there it might even be better to just keep him.

If we get that $19M TPE from DJ/Dallas then it could be done that way I guess, as Jamal wouldn't have to be involved. But all the better FAs will be gone by that point and the best avenue to improve will be to trade guys into the TPE. Then split the MLE between 2 rotation guys. That's IF we get the TPE.

[Method28]

We could've offered him the full MLE after a Peirce S&T for Jamal.

I don't know, maybe that wasn't enough for Bass.

If a Pierce sign and trade was possible, would have been done by now so that the Clippers would have the full MLE. Doesn't seem like Washington is interested in Jamal

That's true. Jamal will be wanted by someone, just not DC. Depending on what's out there it might even be better to just keep him.

If we get that $19M TPE from DJ/Dallas then it could be done that way I guess, as Jamal wouldn't have to be involved. But all the better FAs will be gone by that point and the best avenue to improve will be to trade guys into the TPE. Then split the MLE between 2 rotation guys. That's IF we get the TPE.

Why would we be receiving a TPE?

[Lindecision]

If a Pierce sign and trade was possible, would have been done by now so that the Clippers would have the full MLE. Doesn't seem like Washington is interested in Jamal

That's true. Jamal will be wanted by someone, just not DC. Depending on what's out there it might even be better to just keep him.

If we get that $19M TPE from DJ/Dallas then it could be done that way I guess, as Jamal wouldn't have to be involved. But all the better FAs will be gone by that point and the best avenue to improve will be to trade guys into the TPE. Then split the MLE between 2 rotation guys. That's IF we get the TPE.

Why would we be receiving a TPE?

via S&T with Dallas recieving an asset

[No-Man]

Trade Jamal for Séraphin S&T, the Wizards have only Sessions, Temple and Neal at the backcourt, they need a guy like Jamal.

[QRich3]

If the Wizards were interested in having Jamal, it'd been done long ago, in a S&T for Pierce probably. Sadly, I'm not sure there's any market for Jamal in today's NBA.