Trade Idea Thread II

[TucsonClip]

I don't think we'll be dealing for a PG. I expect us to look at guys like Wolters, John Lucas, ect.

[SportsFan215]

New Jamal trade idea:

Clippers Get: Gibson/Plumlee
Clippers Give: Crawford/Hudson/Hamilton/Wilcox

The Clippers trade their extra wing depth more much-needed big man depth. Gibson becomes the third big and Plumlee the 4th to backup Deandre. Even with the Aldrich signing I don't see him as more of an Epke Udoh 3rd string center type.

Bulls Get: Crawford/Andersen
Bulls Give: Gibson/Bairstow

The Bulls get the sixth man scorer off the bench they have needed especially when their offense gets stagnant. Plus they get a solid backup center who can fill in if/when Noah gets hurt.

Heat Get: Hudson/Hamilton
Heat Give: Andersen

Total salary dump for the Heat. They already have McRoberts and Amare to back up Bosh and Whiteside so they dump Birdman's contract and save a bunch in luxury tax savings while just getting two unguaranteed contracts and a $3 million TPE for the future.

Bucks Get: Wilcox/Bairstow
Bucks Give: Plumlee

Bucks have Plumlee as their 3rd string center behind Henson and Monroe so they get Wilcox who has 3 more years of team control who can be groomed to be Middleton's backup next year after Mayo's contract runs out. Bairstow could be a fine, cheap 3rd string center replacement.

[Neddy]

I don't think we'll be dealing for a PG. I expect us to look at guys like Wolters, John Lucas, ect.

well, we already got Austin back. if you mean to have a pure back up PG, Hudson would be gone as he is an undersized 2, and Nate Wolters or DJ Newbill would be competing for that (non-guaranteed) 15th spot, I suppose.

[og15]

New Jamal trade idea:

Clippers Get: Gibson/Plumlee
Clippers Give: Crawford/Hudson/Hamilton/Wilcox

The Clippers trade their extra wing depth more much-needed big man depth. Gibson becomes the third big and Plumlee the 4th to backup Deandre. Even with the Aldrich signing I don't see him as more of an Epke Udoh 3rd string center type.

Bulls Get: Crawford/Andersen
Bulls Give: Gibson/Bairstow

The Bulls get the sixth man scorer off the bench they have needed especially when their offense gets stagnant. Plus they get a solid backup center who can fill in if/when Noah gets hurt.

Heat Get: Hudson/Hamilton
Heat Give: Andersen

Total salary dump for the Heat. They already have McRoberts and Amare to back up Bosh and Whiteside so they dump Birdman's contract and save a bunch in luxury tax savings while just getting two unguaranteed contracts and a $3 million TPE for the future.

Bucks Get: Wilcox/Bairstow
Bucks Give: Plumlee

Bucks have Plumlee as their 3rd string center behind Henson and Monroe so they get Wilcox who has 3 more years of team control who can be groomed to be Middleton's backup next year after Mayo's contract runs out. Bairstow could be a fine, cheap 3rd string center replacement.

Bulls might be the only one I'd consider skeptical about this, but it would certainly be a great trade from the Clippers POV

[Quake Griffin]

i say we trade for Spencer Dinwiddie.

Pistons have Reggie.
Have Brandon Jennings although injured
and theyre looking at Ty Lawson.

why not take a run at adding some length and athleticism to the back up PG spot. Seems like he could play the spot while Lance dominates the ball.

plus, I just love LA hoopers.

[Neddy]

doesn't Dinwiddle sport like 38% FG on the floor? the last time i saw his stats I think he shot below 20% from the 3.... do like his size and from little I know of him, he is a good playmaker. I suppose he can fill the Lester Hudson role of being the 3rd string bench guy, but considering Jamal is the centerpiece of any trade talk and Wilcox or Hamilton are precious assets ( low salary/non guarantee at young age that can be the cherry on top of any deal involving Jamal but not worth much themselves) I don't know if what I want in return is a guy who can be had as a D league FA pickup.

[JayClips92]

Heat:
Jamal Crawford
LAC 2019 Second round pick

Clippers:
Chris Anderson
Shabazz Napier

Clippers get Birdman, who can help give the clippers an identity like matt barnes and an insurance piece if josh smith has issues...
Shabazz is a young pg who will have time to develop behind CP and be the 3rd pg

Heat get Jamal's instant offense off the bench which could help limit D wades regular season minutes

[QRich3]

^ I'd rather add Wilcox and Hamilton to the trade and take Chalmers instead of Napier in that trade with the Heat. They shed more salary so they should be happier, and we get a veteran that can play off the ball with Lance or Austin, instead of a sophomore who didn't show much in his rookie year.

[Lindecision]

I'm not on board the Birdman idea. He's old, always hurt and could be washed up. Napier also seems a little redundant.

Not a lot of options out there. Stick with what we have or go for Philly's Jason Thompson. He's a safer bet as a big man. Younger and better all round game. Partially guaranteed 2nd year. Either straight up for Jamal and our 2019 2nd, or work a 3 teamer with someone. Like Jamal to Minny, Thompson to LAC, Bennett and our 2019 2nd to Philly.

[QRich3]

Being partially guaranteed is not advantage with Thompson, at least not compared to an expiring like Birdman or Jamal. It just means you'll have pay three million and get a $2.8M hit on next year capspace, just for the right of buying him out. Birdman is possibly all of what you say, old, hurt and washed up, yet he might still be a better player than Thompson. He's a legit rim protector if he's healthy, while Thompson hasn't shown to be anything good at anything in his NBA career. Any of those cases, it's just about adding depth behind DJ since Aldrich is not enough, so you can't expect a great return.

In any case, if we eat Thompson for an expiring Jamal, I expect it's us who are getting the 2nd rounder, not sending it.

[nickhx2]

Being partially guaranteed is not advantage with Thompson, at least not compared to an expiring like Birdman or Jamal. It just means you'll have pay three million and get a $2.8M hit on next year capspace, just for the right of buying him out. Birdman is possibly all of what you say, old, hurt and washed up, yet he might still be a better player than Thompson. He's a legit rim protector if he's healthy, while Thompson hasn't shown to be anything good at anything in his NBA career. Any of those cases, it's just about adding depth behind DJ since Aldrich is not enough, so you can't expect a great return.

In any case, if we eat Thompson for an expiring Jamal, I expect it's us who are getting the 2nd rounder, not sending it.

yeah i agree with this.

birdman has always been a great rim protector. but even at his age and if he's getting hurt sometimes i'd still take him.

jason thompson has had sooooo many opportunities to break out and give you something but he's never seemed to turn the corner. he's like the jeff green of power forwards.

at this point i'd rather have players on the roster who have those really set and defined roles and abilities, and who can impact the game every single time even if they are limited. given how our bench is looking atm that kind of immediate impact guy is going to be far more beneficial to have than a guy who will come in and either give you crap or average production, even if his vitals are better.

[Lindecision]

The advantage will come in him being a trade chip next year.

[QRich3]

But having $7M in capspace is surely a more attractive trade asset than having a $7M contract that's only guaranteed $2.8M no?

[Ranma]

I've been intrigued by Cody Zeller since his draft year, but his progress has been lacking so far into his NBA career. I wouldn't necessarily count on him to contribute meaningfully for 2015-16, but he could be a nice project a la C.J. Wilcox for further development. Of course, Doc and his staff's patience with and development of young players leave a lot to be desired but that's for another conversation.

Even after dealing Noah Vonleh, the Hornets still have Al Jefferson, Frank Kaminsky, and Spencer Hawes vying for playing time at the center position. Trading an unnecessary Jamal Crawford for a diamond in the rough needing polish would be a great deal, if the Clips do indeed sign or otherwise acquire a legit backup PG like Kendall Marshall. Working out and training alongside Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan along with leadership from Chris Paul and Paul Pierce could help a young player like Zeller realize his potential if we can get the coaching staff to be competent in their developmental responsibilities.

Gary Washburn, Boston Globe (7/19/15)

Why did the Hornets move 19-year-old Noah Vonleh after just one injury-plagued season? Because they tried to move former fourth overall pick Cody Zeller but found no takers. The Hornets were looking to lighten their frontcourt with the addition of Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky and found Vonleh, a Haverhill native, carried more value than Zeller. Vonleh has been impressive for the Trail Blazers in summer league, making the deal even more curious for the Hornets . . .

After Reloading, Spurs are Ready to Make Another Run

[Lindecision]

Not when every other team is going to have more cap space with the huge cap jump. Having one of those non-guaranteeds on your books lets you keep your options open for guys already under contract. Then there's the advantage of being able to take on more salary via trade.

[Lindecision]

Channing Frye for Jamal and Hamilton is starting to grow on me.

We could use the floor spacing. It would save Orlando more than $14 million, so we should get a 2nd or two out of it.

[gutobr]

Augusto Cesar Lima, 23 years old.

MPV of ACB this year, played for Brazil in 2015 Pan American games...

great defender, he jumps a lot. It's fast, great basketball IQ. Guy is a monster. NBA scouts, open your eyes!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LjqYMa4Miw[/youtube]

[mttwlsn16]

^it's? Is he a robot? Sign me up!

[robbie84]

I think Evan Turner would be a good fit for the Clippers off the bench.
He could come in for Pierce and he can also play PG in spells- he's pretty good off the pick and roll- was a big part of Boston's surprising playoff appearance last season. Has always struggled from three, but can create his own shot and penetrate.

Some protected 2nd round picks for Evan Turner?

[BlzMwt]

I think Evan Turner would be a good fit for the Clippers off the bench.
He could come in for Pierce and he can also play PG in spells- he's pretty good off the pick and roll- was a big part of Boston's surprising playoff appearance last season. Has always struggled from three, but can create his own shot and penetrate.

Some protected 2nd round picks for Evan Turner?

the clippers already have enough playmakers on their team. From the starting lineup, paul and griffin. On the bench, Stephenson and and Josh Smith are better creators than they are scorers, as well as Rivers, Prigioni, Pierce having that ability and to a certain extent Crawford.

He doesn't fit that well. Another spot up shooter or defender at the wing position would be a plus. Or another defensive big. Evan Turner definitely has talent, there just isn't much playing time, especially not with Jamal still being here. Also the clippers would have to be giving something out for his 3.4 million contract to come back on the books as the clippers are over the cap