Trade Idea Thread II

[HornetJail]

You guys want Hawes back? I've given up on him already

**** no he is trash

No kidding. Watch this ****
https://streamable.com/c7dv

He's so bad. Lance could go 0-5 every night and I'd rather have him

[mttwlsn16]

You guys want Hawes back? I've given up on him already

**** no he is trash

No kidding. Watch this ****
https://streamable.com/c7dv

He's so bad. Lance could go 0-5 every night and I'd rather have him

Looooool, that was hilarious.

Lance has been solid so far. Hasn't been chucking up bricks and has made some nice passes. A couple to DJ last night. One for an easy dunk, another lob from the 3 pt line for an alley oops

http://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/lance-stephensons-no-look-pass-leads-to-deandre-jordan-dunk-video/#Iqz5J4FcwrygfBUJ.97

[nickhx2]

holyyyyyy crap LMAO

[BlzMwt]

the announcer though... "Hawes from 40!!!" he says it with such emphasis LOL

[nickhx2]

that's part of what makes it even so amazing hahaha, like it was a game 7 shot

[siar617]

Are you guys to the point where you'd move Crawford for Calderón

[QRich3]

Oh most definitely, we're long past that even

[og15]

Sadly Calderon has 2 more years (including this season) on his contract and makes more than Crawford, so no, but if he didn't, then it could be logical despite Jose's lack of defense.

Of course the team does already have Pablo in terms of that backup older veteran PG, and Pablo is more capable of doing stuff defensively, just knows how to be in the right place.

I mentioned it before, and I know Raptors fans have complained about him not being able to stay within the defensive system, but James Johnson is an option, but Raptors would have no interest in Jamal, so it wouldn't work that way. Washington at a point in time could have used Jamal, but they got Neal and Sessions off the bench now, so that's gone.

I can't really think of any team that specifically "needs" a player like Jamal right now, so I don't know...

[Quake Griffin]

We need to be in on anything the Grizzlies have to offer

[nickhx2]

i can't imagine they'll be too happy to help us after the dumb tweet, though.

[og15]

If the Hornets / Gentry aren't big fans of Ajinca, he could help the Clippers as a backup C, but would Doc actually play him? Only makes sense if Doc would actually play him.

[QRich3]

They just re-signed Ajinca though, didn't they? I doubt they're ready to trade him already, although it'd be nice.

I'm watching the Lakers game from yesterday, and considering Jamal's value is next to negative right now even though he's an expiring, I'm gonna reiterate that I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for Nick Young + a sweetener (a 2nd rounder or two). He can play some rugged defense, and I'm not any more scared of restraining his chucking on offense than I am of restraining Jamal, Lance or even Austin. I know it sounds crazy, but it's an outside-the-box solution I wouldn't be opposed to.

[Captain Ballmer]

I dont think Ajinca trade would be a solution since he's a prototype of what hawes-mullens-antawn are. I watched him on yesterday's game aganist knicks, he is just not there, not even capable of running the floor.
We need a big man who has enough mobility to run and put the effort on D for 10 minutes. Shooting would be a plus but hard to find for an exchange of jamal with whatsoever.

[og15]

All the times I've seen Ajinca he's looked good diving on pick and rolls and with his mobility. Defensively the issue I've always seen is how skinny he is. Maybe similar mobility to someone like Gobert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQTfUNh-1g

The video isn't about anything except to look at his mobility defensively, it's not bad by any means, much better than a Hawes, and he averages 11.2 rebs/36 over his last 134 games / 2029 minutes. Look at how he actually gets low and into a defensive stance, is able to keep up with guys by moving laterally on pick and rolls and is able to come over fairly quickly as a weakside shot blocker / helper.

New Orleans did just sign him, but doesn't seem like Gentry is interested in playing him much, so that might make him available.

Are we desperate enough to be thinking of Nick Young as an upgrade? Wow, craziness, but at least Jamal every once in a while can play as a playmaker, while Young doesn't know what passing is, and Jamal is not a goofball. That said, it is something that could possibly work, but oh man.

[QRich3]

Yeah I guess Ajinca's problems yesterday were more about just recovering from his injury/not being in shape, but I think he'd be of use. Still hard to see the Pelicans trading him, I see Gentry having a more dubious future in NO than him tbh. In any case even if he was on the trading block, he can probably fetch something better than Jamal.

Re: Nick Young, I guess I remember him fondly from his year here, but watching him yesterday reminded me he can play good defense when he's focused (which is just what he did when he was here). I sorta see him as a taller Austin: can play scrappy defense 1 on 1 though he gets lost off the ball, and can be somewhat useful on offense if he's well policed. Which he should here. Not a lot, but probably more than Jamal can offer at this point, and I don't think we'd fetch anything better on a trade. But you're right og, in that Jamal has some value as a playmaker, the Detroit game where he was running the P&R with Blake quite successfully reminded me of two seasons ago when Redick and Paul were injured and he did ok in that role, so I guess we'd miss that. I just want him out of here before he can shoot us out of another crucial playoff game like he did the past two post seasons.

[og15]

I didn't see Ajinca last game, so I don't know how awful he looked. In terms of Gentry's security though, that is true, he's more likely to go first. In terms of hope for getting Ajinca, they do have Davis / Asik / Anderson already in front of Ajinca if everyone is healthy, minutes might be hard to come by, but then all those guys haven't had the best history of health recently, so NO would want insurance since they lost Perkins for the season.

If Jamal could commit to being a playmaker more often, it would really increase his value to the team, but I never expect things from players that they haven't done consistently their whole career. It's just few and far between that we can't really hold on to that. I'll give him props that he has tried harder on defense since Doc has come, so at least's there is some effort though he's not one to see diving for loose balls or making too many sacrificial plays defensively.

I actually didn't mind Nick Young when he was here, he's a very good spot up shooter from the corners, he can create for himself, and his isolation defense is good, but he's just such an uninterested playmaker (though that keeps his turnovers low), doesn't care about rebounding, and get's lost way too easily on team defense. I have no clue if his overall outcome would be better or worse than Jamal, but he's a lot younger.

Brandon Bass (2 years, $3 mil/yr) on the Lakers bench was another player worth considering, just couldn't think of what kind of trade would make sense or what role you would be giving him with Josh Smith on this team and Doc using a small ball bench.

I'm not the biggest fan, but Miles Plumlee (1 year, $2.1 mil) is getting 6.7 mpg among the glut of big men in Milwaukee, he's an option for a big man that gives something close to continuity with the bench and starters at C, if Doc wants to maintain a bigger frontcourt; but it would be nice to have a backup big that can do some of the rim protecting and rebounding, but also hit FT's.

I don't want the team making trades just for the sake of it though, it would be nice to make trades with a plan of how the players are fitting and the roles.

[LACtdom]

Even though I approve of Aldrich, I hope we package him with someone like Jamal for a center that Doc will actually play. I feel as though we have no real back-up plan if Small ball fails besides overplaying Blake and DJ.

[QRich3]

I actually didn't mind Nick Young when he was here, he's a very good spot up shooter from the corners, he can create for himself, and his isolation defense is good, but he's just such an uninterested playmaker (though that keeps his turnovers low), doesn't care about rebounding, and get's lost way too easily on team defense. I have no clue if his overall outcome would be better or worse than Jamal, but he's a lot younger.

Isn't more spot up shooting and less playmaking exactly what the bench needs? Take out Jamal for a guy like that, and suddenly there's room for Lance to handle the ball on the bench, and even some length on the wings.

Bass and Plumlee would be better than him of course, but I don't think Crawford's gonna fetch anything as nice as that by himself. It has to be a worse contract than him, cause I don''t see a team giving up value for him at this point.

[nickhx2]

are you sure the team couldn't get back a brandon bass? the lakers clearly are awful again and they might want to sneak out of his contract for another shot at free agency.

[QRich3]

If they can they should go for it NOW